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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)19:57 UTC+1 No.14255254 Report

could anyone explain to me what the patriarchy is without giving me a shitload of buzzwords and tumblr quotes?
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:00 UTC+1 No.14255261 Report

>>14255254
The concept that all aspects of our society, government, culture, business and ect, are all dominated by men, and ignore the needs of women and also what they have to offer.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:00 UTC+1 No.14255262 Report

it's basically the idea of enforced gender roles (with the implication that it benefited the men who were at the top of the hierarchy).

As it's used popularly, it's some sort of nebulous male conspiracy to enforce gender roles and/or oppress women.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:00 UTC+1 No.14255264 Report

Patriarchy is a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupying roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy.

Historically, patriarchy has manifested itself in the social, legal, political, and economic organization of a range of different cultures.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:06 UTC+1 No.14255286 Report

>>14255254
>implying patriarchy itself isn't a buzzword

women are dominating academically, socially, and pretty much are gonna run the workplace soon....definitely a male dominated world.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:26 UTC+1 No.14255370 Report

>>14255254
Lel those femnazis are the female equivalent of the fat, ugly bitter neckbeards to complain about whores and gold diggers here, only difference here, is they try to politicize their bitterness at men
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:28 UTC+1 No.14255379 Report

>>14255286
Actually, the word patriarchy has been used in academic literature for decades. Its not a buzzword in the technical sense, but the way tumblr feminists have adopted it make it so.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:32 UTC+1 No.14255392 Report

>>14255254

Patriarchy - A buzzword used as an excuse for every time a woman doesn't achieve something she wants in life, regardless of whether or not she has earned or deserves it.

i.e. "Thanks to the patriarchy, I was denied the job I wanted because I was a woman and the position was given to a man."

(The trick being here that the man is far more qualified and experienced but it doesn't matter because the woman is not willing to take responsibility for her life as long as she can blame all of her misfortunes and lack of social adjustment on "the patriarchy")
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:35 UTC+1 No.14255401 Report

>>14255286
>>14255392

holy fuck you autists... op probably just need to write a paper for a sociology class.

go kill yourselves immediately.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:37 UTC+1 No.14255410 Report

>>14255254
>>14255286
>>14255392

Samefag pls go
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:38 UTC+1 No.14255413 Report

>>14255401

uh oh. angry feminist is here.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)20:41 UTC+1 No.14255430 Report

>>14255413

What "triggers" me is people trying to ask questions and faggot neckbeards coopting their threads to spread faggotry... but I'm sure >>14255413 is correct and you're the faggot who started the thread in the first place.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:14 UTC+1 No.14255741 Report

>>14255261
>>14255264
This, and also this
>>14255401
I had to do a short paper on feminism recently and needed to find out what they claimed the patriarchy was. And it was hell trying to figure it out with all those buzzwords. And guess who was just as unhelpful? People who cried "huur durr feminists R stoopid". Because actually trying to understand other ideas is apparently over-rated. And if OP made this thread with hopes of starting a shit storm, he made two mistakes. One, he posed it as a simple question about an ideology, rather than just being honest with that he just wanted a discussion about it. And two, he came to 4chan, where everyone hates feminists.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:19 UTC+1 No.14255758 Report

The patriarchy is comparable to how the word "feminist" is used on 4chan. It's a boogeyman that is blamed for all social and gender woes.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:20 UTC+1 No.14255764 Report

>>14255254
That is impossible, as "patriarchy" is itself a buzzword.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:28 UTC+1 No.14255785 Report

>>14255264
OP this is a good answer. Try to remove yourself from shitty internet gender politics for a second- you can acknowledge that this description fits western society, yeah? Doesn't mean that men are consciously conspiring against women or that it's entirely beneficial to men, just that this is an underlying social structure that shapes a lot of our values and ideas (and is ultimately negative for both genders as we have enough technology and resources that we no longer really need concrete gender roles)
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NorteƱo Master Race 05/12/14(Mon)22:33 UTC+1 No.14255798 Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:40 UTC+1 No.14255813 Report

>>14255785
I don't know that it fits western society as a whole anymore. There are female prime ministers, CEOs, mothers who are the heads of their households. Women's rights groups have significant political power and moral authority. Maybe theoretically you can try to argue western society is still patriarchical but practically I'm not so sure; am I missing something important here? I guess most western religions fit the description and have significant power but outside of that I'm just not seeing it. Not OP by the way.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:44 UTC+1 No.14255831 Report

>>14255254
>>14255813
It's breaking down, but our system is still basically patriarchal. You can see it in the courts, in politics, in business. Women face significant hurdles in those fields that men don't, and vice versa when men violate patriarchal norms (e.g., men who want custody of their children). Also, mothers who are the heads of their households isn't an example of patriarchy not being in place.

90% of women still take their husband's last name. That's pretty good evidence for patriarchy still being the dominant social structure.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:45 UTC+1 No.14255833 Report

Alot of the above answers are great, but there should also be mention of the fact that patriarchy can be detrimental to men as well, namely in terms of how stereotypical and outdated ideas of machismo are forced upon boys at a young age.
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Anonymous 05/12/14(Mon)22:52 UTC+1 No.14255856 Report

Naturally, there are many different sects of feminism. The one that is concerned about a patriarchy is called radical feminism (though it should be noted they do not necessarily endorse violence as the name suggests). There is a nice little wiki on this.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Patriarchy
""Patriarchy" (derived from patriarch in Greek) is a term for societies in which male is the favored gender, and in which men hold power, dominion and privilege. That position is reinforced by societal and cultural norms, religious teachings, media portrayals of gender roles (specifically female inferiority), and even formal definition of roles, including laws limiting women's rights."
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)00:00 UTC+1 No.14256078 Report

Terry-Thomas called it back in 1963.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txY7xqoXOP8
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)00:35 UTC+1 No.14256215 Report

>>14255813
>prime ministers
afghanistan literally has more female politicians than America so are you gonna say that Afghan society isn't patriarchal?
>CEOs
minority, not respected on the same level as male CEOs
>mothers who are heads of their households
single mothers are treated like trash (THOSE CHILDREN NEED A FATHER FIGURE) and working moms with stay at home dads are also (WHY ISN'T THAT PUSSYWHIPPED FAG WEARING THE PANTS IN THE RELATIONSHIP). Women's rights groups have power because the issues they address are still relevant. Just because we don't live in Gor doesnt mean there isn't gender based inequality lmao
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)00:49 UTC+1 No.14256253 Report

>>14255392
Your post... has given me cancer.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:32 UTC+1 No.14256419 Report

>>14255264
>patriarchy
>a range of different cultures

There have been zero documented matriarchies in human history. Some cultures have women in charge of various segments of life such as household finances (like cultures where people grow yams, men grow them and women own them) but even in those cultures men ultimately make the major life decisions about where to live, when to go to war, and what the laws of the group are.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:34 UTC+1 No.14256430 Report

>>14255831
Of course there are no replies to this, because it's right and no one wants to hear it.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:36 UTC+1 No.14256438 Report

>>14256430
Or because they agree with it and nothing more needs to be said. I'd personally like that anon to elaborate on the "court" thing because courts really DO seem to favor women pretty heavily, though I agree with everything else.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:38 UTC+1 No.14256450 Report

lmao its almost like reading posts by the people who directly benefit from the thing they are saying is a myth
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:39 UTC+1 No.14256455 Report

>>14255833
So much this.

I hate that old men who clearly have joint problems feel that they have to open doors for me or can't accept help from me because I'm younger and female.

This older guy brought some stuff to my professor once and he was hobbling on a cane and wouldn't let me carry the boxes which he was clearly hurting himself with. It happens with my father too.

The patriarchy is physically detrimental to men even as it provides prestige/social benefits in other areas. It's sad.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:47 UTC+1 No.14256478 Report

>>14255831
>>14256430
I think it is pretty right on. Though I think a lot of women choose to take her husband's name.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:48 UTC+1 No.14256482 Report

Jesus /adv/ i'm actually sort of proud of you guys.
I haven't seen a thread discussing feminism be this level and honest in....ever?
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:49 UTC+1 No.14256488 Report

>>14256478

That may be the case but you have to question the reason behind a lot of choices.
Many girls also choose things that are degrading and bad for them in the long run (not saying taking the last name is the case, i'm neutral o nthat) but that doesn't make it an eglatarian choice

you also have to consider what she loses socially and/or financially by not taking his name and why that might drive a woman to "choose" his name instead
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)01:50 UTC+1 No.14256490 Report

>>14255831
Not to mention, in 'western' countries are are making slow progress, but in other countries around the world women are not allow to be seen while on their periods, their fathers sell them/"give" them, they cant go to school or work, ect.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:39 UTC+1 No.14256723 Report

>>14256488
Yeah, a lot of women do make degrading choices, but ultimately they are their choices. So long as women have the choice then the system has equality enough for me.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:43 UTC+1 No.14256747 Report

>>14256723

I think choices should be informed, and you have to keep in mind that the current system encourages ignorance from a young age.

it's like sex. States with abstinence education have more teen pregnancies and less security in place for single mothers, yet are more likely to be pro life.

These choices begin young and you can't blame young girls for their choices when they've been poorly educated from day one, because there is a factor of omission that means their actual choices are being hidden from them.

If from day 1 every girl knew that they didn't have to be silent about XYZ or had agency as far as ABC then the dynamic of gender would be a lot different. But that's exactly what a patriarchal system does, is it gives the illusion of choice while creating a subconscious system of enforcement
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:43 UTC+1 No.14256752 Report

>>14256723
Well, that's good then. It's good that you think that women have enough equality. Clearly, not being a woman yourself, you're the best person to determine that.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:52 UTC+1 No.14256789 Report

It is a shorthand term for one of many systems that justifies allocating resources and opportunity unequally. The history of gender relations at least in the US is pretty interesting. It goes waaay before suffrage and women's lib.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:52 UTC+1 No.14256791 Report

>>14256752
>Clearly, not being a woman yourself,
>Assuming that just because I don't agree with you I'm not a woman

>>14256747
And it gets tough when dealing with adults who do have these beliefs. Do you try to push them into things they do not want (keeping her name) or do you accept her rights to control her own life? Personally a lot of things just blend in culture. I'm not opposed to telling girls they do this and that, but try not to be so pushy as to control others lives.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)02:59 UTC+1 No.14256816 Report

>>14256791

There is a difference between controlling someone's life and moderating their education.

A lot of conservatives would argue that sex education is "controlling how to educate my children" and in the same breath damn single mothers on welfare who didn't have the education to prevent it from happening. The number of women who don't understand birth control, hell their own BODIES is staggering, and you can only blame them so far before you have to wonder why there isn't a standard being put into place to ensure everyone has all the choices laid out before them.
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Anonymous 05/13/14(Tue)03:17 UTC+1 No.14256884 Report

>>14255831
>Womyns taking their husbands last name is the Patriarchy's fault!!!1!
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