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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)22:03 UTC+1 No.438150 Report

Assuming two guys with equal skills and similar size, who has the upper hand if one has a bat and the other has a knife?

Pic unrelated.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)22:05 UTC+1 No.438152 Report

whoever makes pipebomb first
doesn't matter how big or expensive that knife or bat was. Doesn't matter what the knife or bat was made out of or how long it is.

Why waste your time on any of that when you could create a device that instills more fear and harms more people.

Nothing beats a well placed pipebomb
Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)05:50 UTC+1 No.439356 Report

probably bat if he is able to manage the distance


probably knife if he is able to manage the distance
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)07:12 UTC+1 No.440076 Report

what if it's a lava golem
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)08:11 UTC+1 No.440112 Report

>the bat has rabies and bites
the bat would win assuming he could manage the distance
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)08:30 UTC+1 No.440118 Report

you say similar skill but dont specify how skilled that is

a pleb would swing the baseball bat hard once and get stabbed

an expert would more or less fence with the bat and win
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)09:51 UTC+1 No.440136 Report


hallberd > sword+shield > spear > sword+dagger > staff > double short sword > sword > machete+knife > short sword > machete > baseball bat+knife > baseball bat > knife > short stick > empty hands
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)10:23 UTC+1 No.440144 Report

At a range it's probably the bat. For disarming the other both are effective. But as someone who trains with both I'd prefer the knife because a bat is slower and hard to utilize if someone hugs you. While a knife becomes extra deadly at close range. So, close the gap and the deal is sealed.
Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)10:37 UTC+1 No.440146 Report

>While a knife becomes extra deadly at close range. So, close the gap and the deal is sealed.

or, keep the knife holder at bay, and swing the bat at his wrist
>broken wrist
>drops knife
>gets head bashed with bat
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:04 UTC+1 No.440529 Report

>While a knife becomes extra deadly at close range.

Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)04:49 UTC+1 No.440602 Report

have you been diagnosed with mental retardation? im not even that anon but my jimmies are fucking rustled. how complicated is it to understand that in one halfway decent slash your death is guaranteed unless you get an ambulance to you in under 3 minutes
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:09 UTC+1 No.440619 Report


Glaive > Halberd > Spear > Staff > Quarterstaff > etc.

You get the gist of it.

Goes by length aka range. In the case of equal length weapons its Shield > Two weapons > One weapon. In the case of types of weapons it's Slashing > Hacking > Piercing > Bludgeoning.

In the case of baseball bat/baton vs knife the bat comes out on top because it's longer even though Slashing/Piercing > Bludgeoning
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:49 UTC+1 No.440654 Report

bat. Long range and heavier.
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:50 UTC+1 No.440656 Report

i like you
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:18 UTC+1 No.440671 Report

I remember a thread on some forum where a guy was making those as just homemade fireworks playing around with his buddies just setting them off in a field and he went to prison for 2 years. 2 years later he was like remember me I just got out of prison for that stupid shit.
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:30 UTC+1 No.440742 Report

why, halberd techniques have been completely lost through the ages, for all we know it was a ceremonial weapon
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)10:04 UTC+1 No.440754 Report

>stick butt of shaft in the ground
>keep pointy end facing cavalry charge
>wait for cavalry to run into wall
>fall back and let short weapon wielders finish the job
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)10:24 UTC+1 No.440758 Report

Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)11:10 UTC+1 No.440769 Report

if that was the case spears are 2x times lighter and better suited to your scenario.

not to mention you have nowhere to "fall back" to,as the cavalry will trample you down.

halberds have been shown as sentry weapons and small unit weapons (no more than 5)
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)13:58 UTC+1 No.440810 Report

Well we don't know their size or skill level just that they are equal so you can't answer the question. Knife though. Unless it's a metal bat that swings faster.
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:19 UTC+1 No.440820 Report


Imagine a spear which can also be used as a giant hammer.
Oh yes, and the hammer has a blade on it.

Any questions?


Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:15 UTC+1 No.440841 Report

He's obviously joking you aspie.
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:43 UTC+1 No.440848 Report

Nobody with any sense is going to hold their knife out so that you can hit it. This isn't a karate manual.

The person with the knife will lead their empty hand in order to try to parry or grab the bat so that they can close and get inside the bat's useful range and stab the shit out of you. If they're good they might even try to fake you out by trying to make you swing their hand and then rushing you when you're recovering.
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:54 UTC+1 No.441062 Report


I wasn't joking. Can you provide conclusive proof that knives are deadly at close range? I didn't think so. That's why no one uses knives anymore since guns were invented.
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)18:42 UTC+1 No.442568 Report


Conclusive proove:
Hands are the fastest part of the body. Whenever a hand can touch you a knife would cut you.



No, Stick is better than Knife.

The most important things about knifes is:
Knifes are great for offense but suck for defense.

Since it's very light it has no "stopping power", you can't put any kinetic energy into it.

Therefore any "knife vs. knife" fight will always be about who makes the other cut bleed faster (without getting cut too badly).

In "Knife vs. Bat" the knife guy has literally nothing to put up against the kinetic energy of the stick and will get crushed.

Reality proves me right:


Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)19:09 UTC+1 No.442577 Report

0the spear was used the same way, and pike squares became the norm latter on perhaps you should actually read about medieval battles.
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)19:11 UTC+1 No.442579 Report

depends distance.

long = bat. short = knife.
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)19:39 UTC+1 No.442591 Report

>The person with the knife will lead their empty hand in order to try to parry or grab the bat
And they'll get a broken hand for their effort. Your logic is so idiotic that I could just as easily say "no doofus is going to let themselves just get stabbed, they'll grab the knife blah blah blah."
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)20:18 UTC+1 No.442605 Report

>slashing and hacking
>better than piercing

nigguh what
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)20:25 UTC+1 No.442607 Report

Best answer, I don't know why the thread didn't stop right here
Mademoiselle Pomf 06/28/14(Sat)22:37 UTC+1 No.442652 Report

Bat. Cause he would be batman.
Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)23:30 UTC+1 No.442668 Report

bat abviously
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)03:48 UTC+1 No.442847 Report


Nah. It's pretty easy to avoid a bat swing by an untrained pleb.
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)03:50 UTC+1 No.442848 Report


State your reasoning.
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)04:23 UTC+1 No.442883 Report

Anyone saying bat wins is retarded. There is no way to "manage distance" in this fight. The knife wielder is not going to play around waiting for a perfect opening and risk getting hit multiple times by the bat wielder. He'll bait one swing (or maybe even none) from the batter, then just fucking bullrush in and stab the guy to death. The worst that can happen to the knifer in that scenario is that he eats one bat swing on the entry, but other than that once the distance is closed it's over. The only chance the batter has here is if he immediately turns, runs, has better cardio than the pursuing knifer and beats him with the bat once he runs out of breath.
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)14:45 UTC+1 No.443039 Report

What if the guy with the knife throws the knife and then uses both free hands to grab the bat?

On the reverse the bat guy can't throw the bat or then he'll just get stabbed.
I don't really know much about fighting (would run away no matter which weapon I was given)

but I find this thread fun :)
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)18:03 UTC+1 No.443100 Report


>mfw I just noticed the lizard in that pic
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)19:22 UTC+1 No.443121 Report


That's not true.


>What if the guy with the knife throws the knife and then uses both free hands to grab the bat?

You can't "grab a bat". The only chance you have is to pass the impact zone of the bat which is very hard unless your timing is ten times better than the attackers.


But you did read my post, and watched the videos, right?

The problem with your logic is:
Knife range is punching range, so there's exactly one step between "in range" and safety.

For the bat it's at least three steps between "in range" and safety (maybe even more).

So if the knife guy rushes, he has to pass a distance of at least three steps between one swing and the next one - that's plenty of time for the "bat guy" to recognise the rush and take two steps backwards.

So the knife guy has to pass a distance of five steps between two swings of the bat before he can start to cut and there's no way he'll be able to do that in time.

The bat guy can just sit there and wait for the knife guy, because once the knife guy gets in range, all he has to to is to give him a swing to break his hand. No matter what you believe, if you wrist shatters you'll be stunned for a second and that's all the time you need to perform a finishing strike to the head.

Watch the videos, it's exactly what I just described.
Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)20:55 UTC+1 No.443154 Report


(I am >>442883)

You actually proved me right. In the first video you posted, the guy with the knife just fucking stood there and waited for the guy with the stick to hit him in the head. What a fucking idiot. That is exactly what I said you shouldn't do. In the second video, the kid with the knife hesitantly moves forward slowly and promptly gets his stupid little head bashed in.

If either of those knife wielders were even somewhat intelligent, they would have bullrushed, just straight up ran full sprint into the other guy like an old school Gracie takedown, and tackled the stick wielder to the ground while stabbing rapidly.

If it is two people of similar skill, assuming the knife wielder's intelligence is at least in the triple digits and he is not crippled, knife wins. It would probably look like this, except with the victim holding a bat and the knifer protecting his head on the entry:

FatCobra 06/29/14(Sun)22:06 UTC+1 No.443165 Report


>What if the guy with the knife throws the knife

>"Here, take my weapon!"
Seido. 06/29/14(Sun)22:27 UTC+1 No.443176 Report


Haven't you ever seen a movie? Throwing a knife is just like firing a pistol. Never misses, and it's an instant kill from any range.

Unless of course it turns out that you're not the hero of the story. Then the other guy blocks it with his bat and beats you down.
Anonymous 06/30/14(Mon)09:08 UTC+1 No.444987 Report

After he throws the knife , he could just run away .
Bat guy would get tired first if he gave chase with the bat and then easily disarmed....

Hence why baseball players don't run with the bat
Anonymous 06/30/14(Mon)09:35 UTC+1 No.444992 Report

Anonymous 06/30/14(Mon)10:32 UTC+1 No.444998 Report

They don't run with the bat because they aren't allowed to cave the basemans head
Mademoiselle Pomf 06/30/14(Mon)15:24 UTC+1 No.445086 Report

Ninja baseball batman. I ain't explain anything.
Anonymous 07/01/14(Tue)06:58 UTC+1 No.446929 Report

>No the raid 2 webms in this thread
If you've seen the movie, clearly it would be the bat.
Anonymous 07/02/14(Wed)02:58 UTC+1 No.447480 Report

Fine I've heard enough talk about this movie that now I'm curious and will pick it up next time I see it!
Also do I have to watch the first movie to understand what happening in the second or can I just skip it?
Anonymous 07/02/14(Wed)03:09 UTC+1 No.447487 Report

You should probably watch the first movie.

Don't worry. The first movie has orgasmic fight scenes. Watching the second one will feel more epic after viewing the first.
Anonymous 07/02/14(Wed)03:42 UTC+1 No.447499 Report

This might not be the thread for it, but what's a good place to learn how to bat fight well?
Anonymous 07/02/14(Wed)20:49 UTC+1 No.448054 Report

Knife because
>not throwing knives
FatCobra 07/02/14(Wed)21:22 UTC+1 No.448073 Report


>Please, take my weapon, sir! I really want you to be able to kill me effectively!
Anonymous 07/03/14(Thu)11:16 UTC+1 No.448679 Report


So much this.

The only moment I'd think about throwing a knife would be some fucker pulling out his gun. And even then I'd cosider it more as a distraction, because he has to evade the knife and gives me the two seconds I need to close the distance to him.. in theory, that is.

> the guy with the knife just fucking stood there
actually he tried to engage, got his arm broken, got smashed on his head and went to the ground.

>If it is two people of similar skill, assuming the knife wielder's intelligence is at least in the triple digits and he is not crippled, knife wins.

Nah, you didn't read my post, did you?

Even if "knife guy" rushed in right after the swing of "bat guy", the distance is way to big to close before the next swing. Plus the "bat guy" can (and probably will) jump backwards.

The problem is you won't get past the first strike. Maybe if he's telegraphing his strikes you can duck/weave (in case of a horizontal strike) or side step (in case of a vertical strike).
Most people strike diagonally though, so to use this tactic you have two options:
-dive under the the strike in direction of the strike
-move with the strike while closing in (when the strike has lost some of it's power)
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)07:36 UTC+1 No.449409 Report


I didn't see him trying to engage. I saw him standing there hesitating. I don't think you are understanding the proper knife strategy here. If he was smart, he would have ran at him FULL SPEED like a fucking 28 Days Later zombie, throwing caution totally to the wind, and shanked him like a he was a prison snitch. He would maybe have taken one hit from the bat on the entry, but thats all. Anybody can survive a single hit from a bat. And no, "jumping backwards" is not a counter to this. The knifer can sprint forward faster than the batter can run backwards. And the distance is NOT too much to close. It's a bat, not a sniper rifle.

Think of it like an old school striker vs grappler MMA fight, where all the grappler had to do to win was rush hard and tackle his opponent to the ground. They didn't play games looking for the opening for the takedown for five minutes. They understood that they might take a punch, kick, or a knee on the entry, and they manned the fuck up and took it in order to take the striker down and win the fight. As oppoesed to being careful, waiting for their opening, and taking Muay Thai roundhouses to the skull until they were knocked out. I didn't equate my knife strategy to a Gracie bullrush for no reason. It is parallel.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)08:19 UTC+1 No.449424 Report

This depends entirely on if the bat guy is able to either disarm the knife or score a knock out before the guy with the knife closes the distance. If someone with a knife closes the distance you are pretty much fucked.
FatCobra 07/04/14(Fri)09:41 UTC+1 No.449450 Report

you might as well replace "knife vs. bat" with "grappler vs. striker" and the replies to the question would probably be close to the same.

It depends on a few factors like distance, environment, and luck. The bat wielder has that "striker's chance" of knocking Knife Boy out cold at a distance and smashing his skull in. if Knife Boy gets in close or it goes to the ground, Bat Man is fucked.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)10:19 UTC+1 No.449466 Report

Not even hand. Head. Upper body. Arm. These are all areas that you can and will be incapacitated from a swing of a baseball bat.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)12:17 UTC+1 No.449504 Report

What if the knife is a magical mech summoning knife like the green rangers knife in power rangers?

I've never heard of a mech summoning "magic bat"

therefore knife wins!
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)14:04 UTC+1 No.449541 Report


It's the other way around for armour.

So unarmoured it's slashing > hacking > piercing > bludgeoning.

Armoured is bludgeoning > piercing > hacking > slashing.

Changes up a bit when considering lameller armour or chain mail. Like piercing is very good against chain but bludgeoning is the only thing that will do any damage to plate (or the guy inside the plate).

Things also change when considering full armour and partial armouring. So if your opponent is wearing a breastplate and not much else slashing will do the job well, as opposed to partial armouring of the arms/legs where hacking or bludgeoning might be a better bet.

In general though range > damage type. An agile fighter with no armour and a spear has excellent opportunity against a fully plated fighter with a sword and shield.

Then you also need to consider stamina which with greater armour is usually the killer.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)16:45 UTC+1 No.449581 Report


Why? Knives arent all that deadly, if they were they'd be used more than guns. Muh pokey pokey metal.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)16:53 UTC+1 No.449584 Report

Every soldier has a military knife or two. it only takes one stab to kill m8 and it doesn't run out of ammo
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)20:18 UTC+1 No.449662 Report

>Knives arent all that deadly

Oh man, you probably think a knifer would do some take one slash and jump back for defense like a retard.

If a knifer closes that distance, he is going to rapidly stab the shit out of your torso and neck until you stop moving, then let you bleed out for the last 45 seconds of your life.
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)20:26 UTC+1 No.449663 Report

op are you a potato?
>bat equals more length
>equals break your liver open or your dome open in one swing
>equals a way to knock a knife away if the other guy is desperate to throw it at you
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)22:42 UTC+1 No.449702 Report


>equals a way to knock a knife away if the other guy is desperate to throw it at you

You dumb son of a bitch, are you really talking about hitting a knife with a bat like it's a baseball when someone throws it at you from 10-15 feet away? First of all, someone would have to be even stupider than you to throw away their weapon, and second of all, you're fucking retarded if you think that would work.

Why wouldn't you just move out of the way instead of trying to hit a knife homer?
Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)23:37 UTC+1 No.449722 Report

>if the other guy is desperate to throw it at you
First of all, someone would have to be even stupider than you to throw away their weapon

>wtf is reading comprehension anyways?
btw im sorry if you couldnt intercept an object with a fat bat if it came down to it.
>implying your taking a full swing at it...

moment of silence for the anons without the hand eye coordination of louis braille who post on asp/
Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)06:55 UTC+1 No.449972 Report


Name one instance that knives are deadly to modern people. Pro tip you can't find any confirmed knife kills in the last 20 years.
Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)07:19 UTC+1 No.449978 Report

>you can't find any confirmed knife kills in the last 20 years

Oh holy shit anon you're literally retarded.
Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)07:39 UTC+1 No.449981 Report

Kendo's probably the closest thing you can find...
Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)23:23 UTC+1 No.450900 Report

>people underestimating the power of the knife
Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)23:24 UTC+1 No.450901 Report

Brazil alone has more knife related deaths in a week than probably any other country in the past 20 years.
Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)23:42 UTC+1 No.450913 Report

I dunno. Stabbing people is a fun weekend activity in Columbia according to my Columbian mate.
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)06:08 UTC+1 No.451089 Report

This is like comparing a hammer and a wrench.

They work best when they're used the way you're supposed to use them. Bat for fucking someone up (and bat someone's knife away); knife for killing someone (before they grab a bat to smack your face), among other scenarios.
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)06:29 UTC+1 No.451118 Report

Dog Brothers, a stick-focused FMA, Tuchux, or even SCA
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)06:59 UTC+1 No.451153 Report

Okay, hammer vs wrench in a fght. who wins?
FatCobra 07/07/14(Mon)07:04 UTC+1 No.451157 Report


Probably the hammer.

Like when's the last time you wanted to wrench someone's face in?
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)07:39 UTC+1 No.451170 Report

What type of wrench and hammer?
TKDbravo 07/07/14(Mon)08:06 UTC+1 No.451194 Report

I think we need to differentiate between the kinds of wrenches and hammers here

I mean is this some bikepouch omnitool shit VS a sledgehammer?
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)08:08 UTC+1 No.451196 Report

Not what you want against something with a lot of momentum and weight like a cavalry charge
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)08:33 UTC+1 No.451217 Report

If a rock pick counts as a hammer ill take the rock pick
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)09:43 UTC+1 No.451272 Report

>two weapons

Unless you're using that other weapon just for parrying like a parrying dagger you'd just be better off holding one weapon like a sword in both hands.

Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)09:54 UTC+1 No.451277 Report

Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)20:14 UTC+1 No.451451 Report

everyone here is forgetting that the bat only has the striking power to break a limb if it connects at nearly full range.

The knife weilder can stay out of range of the bat quite easily. the second a swing comes out, he rushes in. the second a feint comes out, the feint diminishes the striking power by half. He rushes in. If the bat still connects, it's at the midway point, with less force. Stabbed to death
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)20:44 UTC+1 No.451472 Report

That's assuming the bat guy isn't able to keep his distance and use faints
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)21:57 UTC+1 No.451526 Report

feints stop the momentum of the actual strike and create the perfect opportunity to get stabbed

I'm arguing for knives. all things being completely equal, it is still only a 60-40 advantage for the knife, but that's still an advantage

when you rush in you keep your arm above your head and stab his gut. He's dead, and you have a broken arm IF he manages to catch you with the very end of the bat. If he catches you with the middle there's very little acceleration and you have a bruise
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)23:14 UTC+1 No.451582 Report

one would be easier to use.
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)23:24 UTC+1 No.451600 Report

A bat has greater range and better stopping power. A knife does better lethal damage but only close in. Therefore, factoring in the stability/ poise damage, the bat wins. As the Chinese say, "An inch longer, an inch stronger."
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)23:27 UTC+1 No.451605 Report

>As the Chinese say, "An inch longer, an inch stronger."

I guess I'll be the one to point out the obvious irony of an asian guy saying that.
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)23:30 UTC+1 No.451608 Report


Oh, I'd say an Asian guy would be all the more acutely aware of the fact. But it's normally used to qualify the spear's status as the 'King of Weapons'.
= 07/07/14(Mon)23:37 UTC+1 No.451612 Report

this is a subtle grappling vs striking troll thread
10/10 top quality bait, you literally front-paged the entire board for a fortnight
Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)23:40 UTC+1 No.451613 Report


>Forgive me Lord Kano, for I have sinned...
Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)08:43 UTC+1 No.452665 Report

A stab to the gut isn't lethal

Almost nothing the knife does will be able to put the guy with the bat down instantly

Feinting will make the knifer miss judge his timing, cover at the wrong moment and keep him at bay, if he covers and charges in hes going to get hit and the guy with the bat will keep moving and keep hitting
= 07/09/14(Wed)08:51 UTC+1 No.453351 Report

knife to the brain?
cut off the hands holding the bat?
levering out the heart using the knife?
throwing the knife directly into the jugular from a distance and then laughing as he bleeds to death hopelessly out of range of his bat?
Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)09:34 UTC+1 No.453363 Report

The guy you're responding to said "Almost" nothing not nothing but still.

>knife to the brain
If the guy with the knife can get that close.
>cut off the hands holding the bat?
Do you really think a knife can chop hands off like that? Why would you go for the hands when you'd probably close enough to stab him in the chest at that point?
>levering out the heart using the knife?
So stabbing him in the heart? Ok but again the guy with the knife has to get in range to do that.
>throwing the knife directly into the jugular from a distance and then laughing as he bleeds to death hopelessly out of range of his bat?
What kind of idiot throws a knife that isn't made to be thrown? Now if you miss (and you probably will) you're without a knife and he can just beat your ass with the bat.
Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)00:51 UTC+1 No.453866 Report

Mace vs sword?
hresvelgr 2Qpn16oKYot 07/10/14(Thu)01:46 UTC+1 No.453919 Report

Depends are either of them wearing armor?
Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:48 UTC+1 No.453922 Report

No armour but neither guy is trained to fight at all
Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:51 UTC+1 No.453929 Report

I don't usually side with the sword but sword wins because the range and not only can you slash but you can stab too.
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