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EVERYTHING WRONG WITH PRO WRESTLING Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)00:11 UTC+1 No.358590 Report

LIST ALL THE THINGS YOU THINK IS HOLDING BACK PRO WRESTLING FROM BEING A BETTER PRODUCT. MY PERSONAL LIST:

1. THE PG ERA HAS MADE EVERYTHING TOO SQUEAKY CLEAN. I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE ATTITUDE ERA PURISTS, BUT THESE NIGGAS HAD SCOOBY DOO ROOTING FOR SIN CARA THE OTHER DAY.

2. THERE'S LITERALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR KEEPING YOUR TITLE. IF YOU WIN A TITLE, AND FIGHT FOR IT WEEK AFTER WEEK, YOU ARE A ONE-TIME CHAMPION. IF YOU LOSE IT AND THEN GET IT BACK AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE NOW A TWO-TIME CHAMPION, ETC.

3. THE FREQUENCY AT WHICH BELTS ARE WON. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY OTHER WEEK THEY HAVE A TITLE MATCH, WHICH IN MY OPINION TAKES AWAY FROM THE INCENTIVE FOR CARING ABOUT PPV MATCHES.

ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY GRIPES?
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)00:28 UTC+1 No.358617 Report

The creative team

How every last move in a match has to follow the script right down to the letter

This also affects promos

HHH still feeding his ego to this day
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James 03/29/14(Sat)00:35 UTC+1 No.358625 Report

Biggest problem: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)00:44 UTC+1 No.358640 Report

Biggest Problem:

HHH is still wrestling instead of just being a corporate stooge. The worst part? You know full fucking well this isn't his last match.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)02:44 UTC+1 No.358882 Report

Too much self-promotion. I feel like Smackdown is promo for RAW, which is in turn a promo for PPV's. so many in-show ads, promoting the game, the scooby-doo dvd, the PPV's, and then the announcers talk about it during half the match, instead of commentating.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)06:34 UTC+1 No.359053 Report

Pro-Wrestling in general, or just WWE?


> for Pro-Wrestling in general
Smarks who, instead of cheering / booing for the product as it is presented, do so based on behind the scenes shit and backstage rumors.

Ex. hurr-durr I hate Triple H cuz he's the boss & puts himself over. - Yeah, like every owner / booker who was an active wrestler.

Now, the Daniel Bryan thing is NOT what I'm referring to because that's just stupid ass WWE booking by giving fans a taste of Bryan as a top guy, while Cena was gone, but the follow-up was lousy and then we never got a payoff while Big Show moved, and cried, into his spot.

And that segues nicely into
> for WWE
See above.
Not only that but it seems like they are gun-shy in pushing new talent to the top by taking advantage of guys while they are hot.
They always pull new, potential top talent back down a few notches and sometimes they just get lost in the shuffle and it was all for nothing.

Imagine if they pulled that on the Rock or Stone Cold when they were hot.

Plus, it seems like it always comes down to the same main event guys like Cena, Orton, Big Show, Kane, CM Punk, Sheamus.
Sheamus had to go through that, beating Cena for the belt to jobbing to everyone to building his way back up the card.

I could go on and on because there are many problems I could point out so I'll just stop there as others point these out as well.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)06:37 UTC+1 No.359055 Report

>>358882
>I feel like Smackdown is promo for RAW, which is in turn a promo for PPV's.

That's because it is. Raw is live so it's the flagship show.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)14:47 UTC+1 No.359147 Report

>The women's division is a joke.

The WWE sees the divas division as just some models to have around, but still insists on having them wrestle horrible matches for a worthless title that nobody cares about.

Either kill off the division and have divas as managers, valets, mouth-pieces for male wrestlers with bad mic-skills; or imitate what the UFC did with Ronda in getting pretty women who can also legit kick ass, creating a new audience of male fans fascinated by women beating the shit out of each other and female fans that admire women who can look sexy and kick ass at the same time.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)19:58 UTC+1 No.359291 Report

No more Extreme matches involving barbed wire, branding irons, the custody of someones kid, or staplers
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)20:09 UTC+1 No.359297 Report

>>359053
Just WWE, because we won't bother to watch anything else
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)20:28 UTC+1 No.359308 Report

Wwe just has such a limited move pool that it really boxes in performances to a series of signatures into finishers. I understand they don't want kids pildriving their dog and would rather not risk losing a guy for months due to injury but its just silly seeing ten million chops and European uppercuts.

However, as a whole, wrestling is actually in a really good place now. Smaller promotions, thanks to the internet, are starting to make a resurgence and the wwe network was a great idea.

Also, as other poster mentioned, just kill divas wrestling or refocus it so total divas beef extends into the ring. Much harder since divas has to be edited, but since the show is a work anyway, totally viable with the right planning.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)20:33 UTC+1 No.359311 Report

>>359053
>Not only that but it seems like they are gun-shy in pushing new talent to the top by taking advantage of guys while they are hot.
>They always pull new, potential top talent back down a few notches and sometimes they just get lost in the shuffle and it was all for nothing.

I agree with you, but really, I don't think much can be done about that. They have to strike the right balance between up and comers showing and proving to get a bigger fanbase and chances at titles, and writing a captivating story. That's why certain wrestlers who weren't the necessarily the most technically gifted, but had star potential, like mick foley (who I love), became big stars.


>>359147
I disagree. I actually really like the divas matches, they're a lot more acrobatic in general. I'm excited to see if Tamina Snuka is going to take AJ Lee's belt at wrestlemania.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)20:35 UTC+1 No.359314 Report

I see nothing wrong with the PG brand, back in the 80s-90s everything was PG until WCW forced WWF to be edgy

Ruthless Aggression was the best era in WWE history for it had proper wrestling matches and is not too crass and cheap like the Attitude era
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)21:12 UTC+1 No.359343 Report
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>>359311Wouldn't...
>>359311
Wouldn't you rather see something like this, done by women who can actually wrestle?
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)21:39 UTC+1 No.359360 Report

>>359343
where is that from?
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)21:49 UTC+1 No.359368 Report

>PG Era
Fuck off with this horseshit. WWE has been PG for the vast majority of its existence.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)21:53 UTC+1 No.359372 Report

>>359368
exactly!
most of the people complaining about PG forget that and only think of muh attitude era is the only era.
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LaserrrrrrTrombone 03/29/14(Sat)21:54 UTC+1 No.359373 Report

Nobody blocks
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)23:25 UTC+1 No.359453 Report

>>359372
yeah, but there's a difference between everything being relatively tame and hulk hogan telling kids to eat their vitamins, and FUCKING SCOOBY DOO. another complaint I have is that the actual arenas look too polished. no edge. I appreciate that they have really nice looking, hi-tech setups, but I miss when they have sparks, fire, and entrances made of bricks and shit.
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Anonymous 03/29/14(Sat)23:43 UTC+1 No.359474 Report

>>359368
Not to mention, the "era" has little relevance to the quality of matches themselves, save for Cena cheesy cartoon sequences and Orton's style of trying to be a bad guy in a comic book instead of an actual heel.

>ten minutes of a sleeper hold locked in to build heat while he mean mugs the audience and acts like a tough guy
>opponent doesn't even pass out
>nothing is added to the match except kids just want the babyface to make a comeback because they're bored shitless
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)00:23 UTC+1 No.359533 Report

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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)00:26 UTC+1 No.359540 Report

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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)01:10 UTC+1 No.359607 Report

>>359368

I agree. I was truly turned off by that 2004-2007 era where wrestling was just softcore porn for shut-in basement dwellers. I'm talking about the bra and panties matches, mud matches, segments featuring just Stacy Keibler's ass, I mean shit, that was all allowed on tv and it was honestly bad for business.

>in b4 hurr your gay
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PuroHook 03/30/14(Sun)01:22 UTC+1 No.359626 Report

>>359607
Agree.
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)01:34 UTC+1 No.359640 Report

i miss the undercard of the WWE being relevant. nowadays almost everything underneath the main event has no sort of storyline or feud, it's pretty much just guys wrestling for no apparent reason.

also i really want to quality of women's wrestling in the WWE to improve. i'm not asking for 5 star matches every week, but something other than ex-model flailing their way through awful matches. at least the prospects in NXT and the likes of AJ and Emma seem to be slowly improving the division
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)01:41 UTC+1 No.359653 Report

>>359640

Yeah you would think that now that it's a 3 hour RAW they'd have more time to dedicate time to fleshing out the undercard guys and bringing back titles like the hardcore title and the but no every week it's Fandango and/or Kofi jobbing to someone. I don't even remember the last time I saw R-truth on TV.
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)05:44 UTC+1 No.360033 Report

>pro-wrastling
>everything WWE related

Not everything pro-wrestling is WWE you know, hell everything but TNA is a better alternative. But if you want everything that's wrong with WWE, I'll compile a list, top being the worst.

1. Cena
2. Cena
3. Lack of competition, TNA doesn't count and never will due to the trend to hate them regardless of what they do (good or bad).
4. Speaking of trends, the simple-mindedness that is the crowds. Not knowing what they want and chanting stupid shit the majority of the time.
5. Antics that range to just borderline G instead of PG. ie: Muppets or Scooby Doo appearing on Raw.
6. Hardly anyone else that isn't their top guys have their hearts in the business. ie: CM Punk
7. Same old shit, nothing fresh and new about the product. Heels are for the most part cowardly and never win clean and faces never take clean losses (especially Cena). Speaking of such, Cena and Orton are still the top fucking guys, after how many years now?
8. Where's the next Stone Cold? Where's the next Rock? Their current top guys don't even touch the amount of glory they had.
9. The commentary is horribad, unfunny, and jacks off to Cena (even the heel one).
10. 3 hours of Raw is TOO FUCKING LONG.
11. Too much fucking talking and not enough wrastling. I rather see two pointless jobbers duking it out in an I Quit match than hear Stephanie's bitchy voice.
12. The Divas Devision would be better off not existing. And even if it was significant, AJ is a horrible champ.

I'm sure there's probably more to bitch about, but you get the idea.
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)05:48 UTC+1 No.360038 Report

>wwe
1. butthurt fans
2. the yes movement
3. alexa bliss isn't on the main roster
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)05:50 UTC+1 No.360042 Report

>>359607
It's also the era where vanilla midgets took over and had tons of meaningless matches with tons of moves with no story for all the internet smarks to jerk off to
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)05:53 UTC+1 No.360047 Report

>>359368
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)05:57 UTC+1 No.360054 Report

>>360047
That shit was hot. I remember fapping when he had her bark like a dog
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)06:24 UTC+1 No.360081 Report

>>360054

A shame shit like this won't fly anymore, especially in todays pussification of America.

Speaking of which, Pussified America is one of the MAIN REASONS why WWE is what is is today.
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GlowBub, The Righteous Man 03/30/14(Sun)06:54 UTC+1 No.360092 Report

>>360081
Attitude Era was shit anyway
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Anonymous 03/30/14(Sun)07:21 UTC+1 No.360101 Report

>LIST ALL THE THINGS YOU THINK IS HOLDING BACK PRO WRESTLING FROM BEING A BETTER PRODUCT.

Kill off Smackdown and make NXT the main show on Friday Nights.

Let Big E. Langston, The Usos, and Dean Ambrose defend their championships on NXT more often

Remove the Diva's Championship from existence because AJ has proven for more than 300+ days there is literally no one who isn't on NXT that can outmatch her so why should she even try

Have Cena, Orton, and Batista move to TNA.
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Anonymous 03/31/14(Mon)04:34 UTC+1 No.360816 Report

>>359640
Emma might be good, but she has been nothing but shit on the main roster. They did nothing to explain her character. Saddling her with Santino doesn't help.
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Anonymous 03/31/14(Mon)23:55 UTC+1 No.361339 Report

put the pay per views on saturday god damn it i have to work in the morning
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???? Tootsie Bear ???? 04/04/14(Fri)11:40 UTC+1 No.364591 Report

>>361339
Just call in sick! I'm always free on Sunday and there is nothing to do but watch wrestling reruns. The PPVs are a guilty pleasure of mine.

But what I would change about pro wrestling?

I would have seasons like the NFL. Because it gets tiresome seeing the same talent, predictable storylines, matches and titles that have no value behind them anymore, etc.

I love watching wrestling because stars like CM Punk, the shield, and Chris Jericho can make me go "WOW!!"

However, performs like Cena, Orton, Batista, Triple H, the list goes on and on, are too over the top. I cannot take them serious at all.
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Anonymous 04/04/14(Fri)12:32 UTC+1 No.364612 Report

>>360816
>think Emma is a faggot and deeply ashamed of being from the same country
>seems like average wrestler with a shit gimmick and saddled with Santino because they don't know what to do with her
>see NXT Arrival
>she's actually really good, and fantastic by WWE Diva standards
>gimmick is less retarded when not paired up with Santino
>had the second best match on the card
WWe's farm league books better than them, it's embarassing.
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Anonymous 04/05/14(Sat)19:16 UTC+1 No.365581 Report

>>364612
More like the fans watching NXT are not fat balding match hijacking pieces of shit shouting random shit running the match, disrupting the flow of the match and bringing down the credibility of upcoming talent just because they cannot suck punk & bryan's cocks at that particular moment.
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)13:34 UTC+1 No.367276 Report

Fuck Daniel Bryan. I don't care if he's a good wrestler or not, he's freaking annoying, and all the "Yes" bandwagon makes it much worse.
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04/06/14(Sun)14:05 UTC+1 No.367283 Report

OP nailed it

Also, they need more gimmicks instead of generic guys.

Bo Dallas Vs Adrian Neville might as well have been default caw A vs Default caw B
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)15:21 UTC+1 No.367296 Report

Part timers taking the spot of guys who bust their asses on a weekly basis always grinds my gears. Nothing was more infuriating than when Punk carried the belt for over a year and finally Brought some meaning back to having the title, and then they just had him drop it to the Rock who had TWO matches in the last 8 years.
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)17:06 UTC+1 No.367359 Report

>>359343

Its so small. yet so awesome. That bitch got knocked on her ass.
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)17:35 UTC+1 No.367382 Report

1. Too much repetition of known shit matches.. See Cena vs Orton for the 57th time.
2. Orton being pushed all the time. Hes just boring.
3. Divas are harrible. No one on the level of Trish, Lita, Beth Phoenix, or Victoria. And way too much Bellas. I wouldnt kick em out of bed, but when it comes to talking and wrestling they are just shit.
4. Daniels and Kazarian not on WWE. Those bastards are entertaining. For a long time they are the best thing about TNA.
5. The part timers/returns coming in and getting title shots. The nostalgia thing is fun, but they are relying on it way too much. If it was part of an actual storyline that might be different.
6. Hogan. Its already getting old.
7. Sandow, Ryder, and Ziggler getting buried. Those guys have talent and get pretty good pops from the crowd. Get a program going for these guys. Creative just doesnt know what to do with midcarders.
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)18:14 UTC+1 No.367428 Report

>>367296
shut up cm punk you quitter.
>>367276
agreed im glad the normal crowd of non smarks are already chanting less.
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Anonymous 04/06/14(Sun)18:17 UTC+1 No.367433 Report

>>367296

Phil Brooks please...you can't afford to complain when you've been champion for all that long, been given the opportunity to wrestle Brock, Rock and The Undertaker all in one year.

Stop whining Phil.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)14:30 UTC+1 No.377674 Report

>>358617
>>358640

are you fucking kidding me?

he has been pushing guys
Daniel bryan beat him legit on WM

with his legacy if someone beats him it is a huge push
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)14:32 UTC+1 No.377675 Report

>Cena
>Cena
>Cena
>Cena
>Cena
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)15:20 UTC+1 No.377702 Report

>>359607

what the fuck are you talking about, that was in 1990s.

>>360042

I didnt know JBL, Cena, Orton, Triple H Batista were midgets
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)15:21 UTC+1 No.377703 Report

>>360092

good point, the biggest raw segment of the attitude era was the "This is your life, Rock"
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)16:08 UTC+1 No.377741 Report

Something that still irks me is the ''no woman gets hit by a man unless it's by accident or by another woman''
I'm not saying Attitude Era with Mae Young getting through a damn table, but maybe eating a finisher from a frustrated guy, or letting them having intergender matches, having the women being forced to wrestle with more brains.
I hate the ''let's push this guy, then throw him to Cena/Orton/depush him''. Let him run with it for a while.
And the highschool comedy-tier segments. Simpsons is PG and still had clever jokes that didn't have to curse or do something edgy. Get some good comedy writers. Santino and Kozlov dressed as Englishmen with Sheamus was very funny, they should do something like that.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)16:44 UTC+1 No.377769 Report

I feel like the announcers do to much for building characters rather than the wrestlers themselves and then parrot that every match they are in

The Wyatts have been doing alright without it I guess

Also I wish they didn't have to come up with stupid names for finishing moves anymore
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)16:44 UTC+1 No.377771 Report

>>377675
It's not 2006 anymore feggit
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)16:49 UTC+1 No.377775 Report

People still booing the shit out of Cena

I could see it being justified a couple years ago but recently he has been more than willing to get out of his normal routine for matches, trying new moves and put on great matches with young guys to help put them over. Maybe its just part of his character now, but still it doesn't feel right anymore.

Also never let fans back into the HoF inductions anymore, chanting stupid shit while people are having their moment is dumb.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)17:55 UTC+1 No.377814 Report

>>377775
>cena
>helping to put young guys over

all of my kek
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)19:54 UTC+1 No.377874 Report

>>377775

Cena needs to be Stonecoldatsummerslam1997ed. Punk came close, I'm sure in retrospective had he known better he would have gone through with it.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)20:03 UTC+1 No.377884 Report

Day 1: mommy, I am only 5 inches long but already have my organs. Your heart beating is my favorite lullaby.

Day 2: mommy I'm a girl! I hope that makes you happy mommy. I like it when you're happy. When you're sad, I'm sad too. Stop crying mommy!

Day 3: mommy, I got my hair today. It's very short and fine, but there will be a lot of it. I learned to kick, too.

Day 4: mommy, I have hand now, and I can't wait to see yours and hold you too

Day 5: mommy, you went to the doctors today. What's abortion?

Day 6: mommy, why are we with the doctor again? I don't like him he seems cold and heartless. MOMMY, SOMETHING IS INTRUDING MY HOME! IT BURNS MOMMY! NOOOOO...

Day 7: Mommy, I'm alright, I'm in Jesus' arms. He is holding me. He told me what abortion is. Why didn't you want me mommy?

REPOST IF YOU HATE ABORTION
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Meta 04/09/14(Wed)20:05 UTC+1 No.377885 Report

>>377775
Until he has a legit, 100% committed and lengthy heel turn he deserves to be criticized.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)22:54 UTC+1 No.378064 Report
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>>359360Yapin. The gal...
>>359360
Yapin. The gal letting off the strikes is "Kana".
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)23:04 UTC+1 No.378081 Report

The commentary. I keep going back and watching old matches, and even really really shitty ones seemed a lot better because JR emphasised what they were doing, why they were doing it, what they were thinking and such.

A lot of wrestlers now are indeed far better than we've seen for a very, very long time. It just doesn't seem that way because the 3 man team manages to ignore them completely with only a few exceptions.
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Anonymous 04/09/14(Wed)23:44 UTC+1 No.378125 Report

1. Poor dialogue
2. Poor acting
3. Poorly preformed stunts
4. retarded stories


Honestly don't understand why people watch this.
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)00:18 UTC+1 No.378154 Report

>>377884
eat a dick
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)03:26 UTC+1 No.378233 Report

>>359314
>Ruthless Aggression was the best era in WWE history
totally agree. Fuck attitude; it was repulsively hedonistic and vile.
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)03:31 UTC+1 No.378234 Report

I just wish WWE had competition. At the very least, if not from an outside company, they should properly split smackdown and raw into two equal, rival factions again.
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)11:34 UTC+1 No.378506 Report

>>378125
Because you only listed the bad parts and as a tv show that never ends those are bound to happen.
Fucking idiot.
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mike 04/10/14(Thu)11:45 UTC+1 No.378509 Report

>>358590

1. Umaga is kill

2.ultimate warrior is kill

3. kevin big sexy daddy nash is not world champions
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Smegma 04/10/14(Thu)11:52 UTC+1 No.378511 Report

>>358590
needs more competition
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)13:29 UTC+1 No.378548 Report

>>360081
Germany will always be more pussy than America because Hitler ruined everything.
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Anonymous 04/10/14(Thu)23:02 UTC+1 No.378845 Report

>>358625
But they're not, you hick.

Half the wrestlers are ethnic stereotypes, being from a "very foreign" country makes you a heel, unless you're Kofi Kingston, in which case Ghana gets turned into Jamaca so you can be a face, and it is ALWAYS the Spanish announcer's table that gets smashed.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)00:04 UTC+1 No.378884 Report

>>358617
HHH definitely earned his rep for burying people, but in fairness to him i think the past few years he has trying real hard to shake that off, and thusly he has put a lot of people over.

I think even with this whole Daniel Bryan thing he has been cleverly playing up to his past reputation, openly telling his guys to destroy him.

Not defending him fully though. His ego is still big enough that he has to be one of the main events at Wrestlemania pretty much every single year, and he just has to have those over elaborate self serving entrances.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)00:17 UTC+1 No.378893 Report

>>360033
>Where's the next Stone Cold? Where's the next Rock? Their current top guys don't even touch the amount of glory they had.

I think that's where the frustration came regarding the handling of Daniel Bryan over the past few years. Here's a dude who was getting a super pop everywhere he went. He just naturally clicked with the audience, yet WWE was straight up refusing to let him run with it. I guess now they finally decided to fucking listen. If they handle Bryan right, he could still well become the face of the WWE for this new shift in eras that we seem to be currently in.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)00:36 UTC+1 No.378902 Report

dont worry guys hes coming to save the WWE.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)13:39 UTC+1 No.379486 Report

It's called pro wrestling but even in the double dubya-eee the workers are technically independent contractors
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)16:25 UTC+1 No.379529 Report

>>378902
I just popped a boner thinking about that.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)17:02 UTC+1 No.379558 Report

>>378884
Also, he's begun disconnecting himself from his role as "Triple H" before when he was active, he hated being called Paul, and preferred to go by Hunter, now that he works the office he requests people talk to him as Paul.

Also, More than any other show, Wrestlemania 30 was a Steph/Hunter show, They were the forefront of everything, now it was all still Vince with the final say, but it was also very much a "Stephanie and Hunter Production" and if that's the case I've got way more hope.

Apparently he was the one to break the Warrior news to the talent as well, a job that usually falls to Vince, so now more than ever he's being groomed for the role as Vince's successor.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)17:34 UTC+1 No.379581 Report

The WWE's biggest problem stems from their affiliation with the Be A Star anti-bullying campaign. It forces the faces to be too perfect and squeaky clean (Cena, Bryan), and doesn't let the heels be heels. I'm not saying I want the full brutality of the Attitude Era back, but let them wrestle with some balls. Aside from the recent Bryan vs. Authority storyline, when is the last time you saw a wrestler, heel or face, knock out a ref to influence a match? Most DQ's recently have been boring countouts instead of illegal hits or interference. All because someone is afraid that staged violence is going to cause bullying at the elementary schools.
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Anonymous 04/11/14(Fri)17:50 UTC+1 No.379591 Report

>>378902
Why do people like him? He's shit
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)01:43 UTC+1 No.380001 Report

>>377884
yo I'm pro-life too but this was completely uncalled for, we're talking about wrestling here lol
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)02:22 UTC+1 No.380191 Report

>>378902
more like he's coming to suck everyone off
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)06:45 UTC+1 No.380403 Report

Saved this article that explains everything. Good, long read and it basically says that wrestling was lost right at the end of the Attitude Era
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)08:00 UTC+1 No.380450 Report
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The death of true kayfabe,...
The death of true kayfabe, magic, and the supernatural.

This reality era sucks. Its just a bunch of pretty boys like orton and cesaro with nothing gimmicky to make them stand out (excpt wyatts). Hell we even have kane unmasked and in a suit.

Takers retirement is the death of sports entertainment that we fell in love with

our champion is bearded goat manlet
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)09:52 UTC+1 No.380510 Report

>>380450

>implying overly gimmicked wrestlers were good
>see: mantaur
>HBK is a manlette too, im sure you fucking loved him
>Bryan Danielson is still the best worker in the company, and PWI recognises it
>Taker's fucking old, I still can't believe people didn't expect it to come
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)14:02 UTC+1 No.380555 Report

>>380510
>HBK is a manlette

6'1'' is manlet now?
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)14:09 UTC+1 No.380557 Report

>>380555
yes
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)15:32 UTC+1 No.380581 Report

When the fans have a reason to get behind the good guy beyond 'because he's the face', they tend to do so gladly. Problem being, the WWE seldom gives them such a reason, and part of that comes down to the characters of the good guys in the WWE being horribly ill-defined.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)16:46 UTC+1 No.380613 Report

>>380555
Anything under 6'3" is. It's been common knowledge around here for awhile.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:11 UTC+1 No.380620 Report

>>360047
>>360054
>>360081
Can you imagine the heat you'd get doing this today? A heel who is constantly mentally abusing his female manager would be gold, kind of in the marc mero mold but good. Ziggler could probably pull it off.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:15 UTC+1 No.380623 Report

>>367276
Honestly, "Yes" is the worst thing to happen in WWE in a very long time. Its even worse than "What". At least "what" was funny, even if it was only when Austin did it.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:18 UTC+1 No.380627 Report

>>377741
Remember Kane's return during the X-Pac feud? Clearing everyone out of the ring and chokeslamming Tori was one of the greatest things I'd ever seen. The pop was immense.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:22 UTC+1 No.380632 Report

>>380620
in the attitude era in canada they editied any violence towards women. that shit pissed me off. \i wanted to see sluts get their asses kicked
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:22 UTC+1 No.380633 Report

>>379558
I'm confused as to who is who backstage.
I just saw Punk's Best In The World WWE Docu and according to Punk, VKM was:
>the one who okay'd the worked shoot at raw (summer of punk)
>made him a main eventer at ecw and smackdown

I don't even really know if Hunter or Steph really got a say in the booking. I'm even thinking that Heyman actually has more power than the two of them since creative and Vince keeps listening to him. Can someone explain?
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:32 UTC+1 No.380636 Report

>>380633
I get the impression Steph and H are very much actors in a story they're co-writing with somebody else. It seems like they're not that involved in other feuds.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:45 UTC+1 No.380645 Report

>>380450
im this guy >>380633
And of the things i hate about that Punk documentary was that he mostly (by mostly, i meant every screen time he had) breaks kayfabe even though he says he wants to make prowrestling better; its only hurting it more imo by actually accepting it as fake and scripted and saying "backstage" terms like push, worked shoot, etc.

Take a look for example at how Bret tells a story of a past match on every interview he had, he would tell it like the match was actually real and tells it by commentator-terms
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:56 UTC+1 No.380652 Report

>>358590
its been said before im sure but

there is no incentive to watch PPVs, build up seems to be a forgotten thing
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:58 UTC+1 No.380655 Report

>>380620
Jeff Jarrett did that shit too with Debra
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)17:59 UTC+1 No.380657 Report

>>380655
Yeah, he sucked too. Plus, they didn't get much heat for it back then because nobody gave a shit about some dumb broad. These days it would crazy.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)21:26 UTC+1 No.380739 Report

>>377771
doesn't change the fact that he is still fucking up the whole industry
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)21:28 UTC+1 No.380741 Report

>>377884
you are a fucking parasite living in my body
i have the right to kill you like i kill a tapeworm

if Jesus wanted yo to be born then you wouldn't have been aborted
i am doing god's work by aborting you
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)21:38 UTC+1 No.380745 Report

>>380645
>muh kayfabe
If you went out of your way to watch a fucking documentary about pro-wrestling, and they're still talking to you as if its a competitive event and not a performance, then they are directly insulting your intelligence.

When the show is over, and if they're talking to anybody who isn't seven years old, then fuck kayfabe.
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Anonymous 04/12/14(Sat)23:23 UTC+1 No.380796 Report

>>380745
addendum: I do wish they would stop calling it "sports entertainment" during the actual shows, though.

That's basically breaking kayfabe while the performance is still ongoing in a way that's not even subtle if you speak frigging English.
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Anonymous 04/13/14(Sun)06:19 UTC+1 No.380988 Report

>tfw /asp/ is basically smarksville.
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Anonymous 04/13/14(Sun)06:26 UTC+1 No.380992 Report
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>>380745>>380796>insulting...
>>380745
>>380796
>insulting intelligence
Everyone who isn't a child knows its fake. You're basically saying they're insulting my intelligence if they keep on performing when everyone knows its scripted.
You know why no one still knows if the Bret/Michaels controversy is true or not? Because the people involved act like its real

What's the fucking point on shooting on VKM, HHH, and Steph when he admits they were the one who told him to do the shoot?
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Anonymous 04/13/14(Sun)06:53 UTC+1 No.381006 Report

>>380988
You're only actually a mark or smark if you lend any kind of financial support to these guys through buying merch, buying PPVs, or to a lesser extent, watching commercials.
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Anonymous 04/13/14(Sun)07:02 UTC+1 No.381012 Report

>>380992
See, your problem is that you obviously have no fucking clue what a documentary is.

A documentary, by definition, falls into the category of "non-fiction".
If it does not, then it is either a satire/mockumentary, or its a god damn fraud.

So if you bought a documentary KNOWING it was a load of shit (satire) and wanting a good laugh, that's fine.
But if you expected a legitimate behind the curtain look at something that they maintain kayfabe, you got gypped.
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Anonymous 04/13/14(Sun)22:21 UTC+1 No.381287 Report

>>380555

No, but Shawn in his prime was 5'11''/6'. 5'10'' after his back injury.

Whatever height a wrestler is billed at, they're always 2-4'' shorter IRL.
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Anonymous 04/14/14(Mon)01:29 UTC+1 No.381415 Report

not to be that guy, but if you guys hate WWE so much, why don't you watch something else?

Ring of Honor is rebounding nicely from a lackluster 2013 and have been great this year.

New Japan is the hottest promotion in the world right now and is putting on great show after great show. All of their major shows are available on ustream as well in the western world.

PWG puts on some of the most fun shows you will ever see.

Dragon Gate Japan is like the japanese PWG with really fun shows, tons of great spots, and great athletes.

I mean, I watch WWE too, but don't act TNA is the only alternative to WWE, that just simply isn't true.
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Anonymous 04/14/14(Mon)18:58 UTC+1 No.381898 Report

>>380620
>Ziggler could probably pull it off
What even is his gimmick? Jobber with too much dignity?
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Anonymous 04/14/14(Mon)19:14 UTC+1 No.381918 Report

>>381898
a jobber who tries to act alpha but oversells too much.
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