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ITT: Fighting styles you think...
Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:21 UTC+1 No.417226 Report

ITT: Fighting styles you think deserve more publicity

pic unrelated
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:26 UTC+1 No.417228 Report

>>417226
CMA deserves more publicity so the inherent idiocy and inefficacy of their approach becomes evident to all.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:37 UTC+1 No.417238 Report

Kudo
Ignore the silly masks, but this is like karate + Muay thai + Judo. You could say its Japanese MMA (minus the dick grabbing) Its really fast paced, and its "street useful"
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:41 UTC+1 No.417242 Report

>>417226
Catch-as-catch-can.

Really cool grappling style that'd serve as a great compliment or alternative to the more popular Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu grappling styles out there.

I know it's popular in Japan, but besides Barnett (who isn't even really catch, in my opinion) there are zero catch wrestlers in UFC.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:41 UTC+1 No.417243 Report

>>417238
I'd love to do kudo but, apparently, it doesn't exist in ausfailia.

From my understanding it's straight up kyokushin + judo
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:48 UTC+1 No.417249 Report

>>417242
It pretty much doesn't exist outside of japan aside from erik paulson to my knowledge.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:48 UTC+1 No.417251 Report

>>417243
> straight up kyokushin
nah, its more straight up boxing/muaythai plus kyokushin + judo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1rBhB6KBu4
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)09:51 UTC+1 No.417252 Report

>>417242
what doesn't make Barnett catch? He promotes it so much and seems to be well respected by everyone. is he a scam artist?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:08 UTC+1 No.417265 Report

>>417249

>Barnett
>Shamrocks
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:09 UTC+1 No.417266 Report

>>417265
if those 2 are the only ones. Catch doesn't seem all that unique or special against the generic legions of BJJ and wrestlefags in MMA.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:18 UTC+1 No.417270 Report

>>417252
This will start a shitstorm, but Barnett is more BJJ than anything. He's a black belt under the Machados, and an honorary one under his coach, Paulson.

Even Paulson himself is BJJ with heavy catch and sambo influence.

They're not catch wrestlers.

The only non-japanese true catch wrestlers I can think of are the Shamrocks. And including Frank is pushing it.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:23 UTC+1 No.417271 Report

>>417270
Sakuraba also has a black belt in BJJ. Does that make him more BJJ than catch?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:23 UTC+1 No.417272 Report

>>417270
are you just saying that or is there any evidence for your claims. Becaise Barnett is promoted and even says he is a catch wrestler and Paulson is promoted as a face of Catch wrestling.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:25 UTC+1 No.417274 Report

>>417270
>>417271
>>417272
both of them also have judo blackbelts if i recall correctly.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:27 UTC+1 No.417275 Report

>>417271
Kazushi Sakuraba was an accomplished pro wrestler waaaaay before he started training in BJJ under Marcello. So Saku is a true catch wrestler who later incorporated elements of Jiu-Jitsu into his game.

Besides the shamrocks, I cannot think of any western catch wrestlers that compete in MMA.

The godfathers of catch wrestling are dead, so it's now become an exclusively japanese art.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:28 UTC+1 No.417276 Report

>>417274
Only Paulson has a judo black belt. Barnett and Saku do not.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:30 UTC+1 No.417277 Report

>>417270
who are you to say or judge? or you a high level catch wrassler yourself? there's a difference between fact, opinion and even a big difference between gossip and opinion.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:31 UTC+1 No.417280 Report

>>417272
Paulson was doing BJJ under the Machados before he was taught shoot wrestling by Yori. Also, shoot wrestling isn't even exclusively catch wrestling. It's a hybrid system.

Barnett was mainly trained by Paulson and also matt Hume, and he trained a lot in a gi with Machados, who promoted him to a black belt later on. You can look this up if you'd like.

Besides shamrocks, no white piggu is a true catch wrestler in MMA anymore.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:34 UTC+1 No.417282 Report

>>417280
Are you a weaboo?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:35 UTC+1 No.417284 Report

>>417280
I'm a white guy. What if I go to Japan and learn catch wrestling?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:36 UTC+1 No.417286 Report

>>417280
I'm a white boy. What if I go to Japan and learn catch wrestling?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:40 UTC+1 No.417288 Report

>>417286
Go right ahead. It's not like they're gonna refuse to teach you. Better learn some basic moon though, because majority of nips can barely speak English.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:50 UTC+1 No.417291 Report

ive seen some interesting grappling in silat that could maybe work in other shit

i think more traditional karate (shotokan and the like) could be used if it was trained more alive
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:54 UTC+1 No.417292 Report

>>417288
If I move to Japan and start training in shoot wrestling/catch, will they let me go pro if I'm good enough? As a white boy, can I start a pro MMA career in Japan?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)10:59 UTC+1 No.417293 Report

>>417292
I don't see why not. What's the point in you asking me this? Just go there, train, and work your way up the shooto ranks until you get to B-class, and bam, you're not a professional fighter in the japanese circuit.

Just don't be like a MA-version of Davido-kun, or they'll make fun of you.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:01 UTC+1 No.417294 Report

>>417293
>you're now*
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:01 UTC+1 No.417296 Report

>>417293
Fucking davido-kun
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:04 UTC+1 No.417297 Report

>>417296
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmQADpBfmp0

He's living the dream.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:06 UTC+1 No.417298 Report

>>417293
I see. It's just that I've always wanted to be a professional MMA fighter. I was a mediocre wrestler in highschool and college, and I want to go into an MMA gym, but I want a stye that is different than the typical wrestling and BJJ found in most MMA fighter. Plus, I'm not good at kickboxing.

My parents are sort of rich, and I recently dropped out of college, so I'm considering moving to Japan just to start an MMA career there, using catch wrestling as my fighting style.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:12 UTC+1 No.417299 Report

>>417298
You sound like a faggot who's going to waste money on going there, training for a few weeks before giving up and going back home.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)11:15 UTC+1 No.417300 Report

>>417299
No. I sound like the future King of Pancrase.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)12:31 UTC+1 No.417315 Report

>>417300
Lulz.
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???????Pomf 05/27/14(Tue)15:55 UTC+1 No.417378 Report

>>417226
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TKDbravo 05/27/14(Tue)16:16 UTC+1 No.417382 Report

>>417298
lots of people on /asp/ want to learn from the mighty TKD brah

why not try that instead?
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)16:18 UTC+1 No.417383 Report

>>417382
Nobody really wants to learn from you. You're probably not even that good.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)17:50 UTC+1 No.417406 Report

Guys, catch wrestling is older than judo. It doesn't cost anymore, just like many of the jujitsu styles that judo came from stopped existing after judo was developed.
Catch wrestling turned into freestyle wrestling, Greco roman, collegiate wrestling, and high school wrestling.
Besides, most of the time techniques and principles from catch wrestling were incorporated into bjj and judo ages ago. The figure four lock for example came from catch wrestling.

You don't need pure catch wrestling today anyway.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)17:50 UTC+1 No.417407 Report

>>417298
move to thailand and become a muay thai fighter. the training quality there is top notch. your money will go a long way so you can live insanely rich, and its easier to find, train and crossover into MMA or pro kickboixng.
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Anonymous 05/27/14(Tue)19:09 UTC+1 No.417441 Report

>>417406
It is only 11 years older then Judo. You make it sound like Judo is much newer.
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reh 05/27/14(Tue)21:02 UTC+1 No.417488 Report

>>417286
ISWA, Snake pit USA, Scientific wrestling are all Catch wrestling school based in canada and in the USA
Myself train with the iswa organisation
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reh 05/27/14(Tue)21:06 UTC+1 No.417493 Report

>>417441
not the same anon, Wrestling always been have here, look at greece olympic, they practice pankration, which is a mix of submission wrestling (catch) and "kickboxing"

Judo was only born in the 1800's
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Anonymous 05/29/14(Thu)13:46 UTC+1 No.418239 Report

>>417238
>"street useful"
if you're too pussy to take a direct shot to the face, it's not really "street useful"
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)08:53 UTC+1 No.418894 Report

>>418239
If you're dumb enough to purposely take straight shots to the face on the reg, then you're not going to be very "street useful" by the time you get to the street.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)09:05 UTC+1 No.418902 Report

>>417297
>evangelated noise

bahahaha
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)09:08 UTC+1 No.418904 Report

>>417300
Don't you mean, King of Pancakes?
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)09:29 UTC+1 No.418912 Report

>>417407
I want to use catch wrestling. Almost every fighter uses Muay Thai as their de facto striking style. I want to be different. I'm already planning this move to Japan. I'm definitely gonna do it. I've always been re-watching a lot of the 70s Godzilla movie with subtitles to get a better grasp of the language.

I'm 100% determined to start an MMA career in Japan and learn catch wrestling.

>>418904
No, I mean King of Pancrase, like Ken Shamrock or Funaki. Though I really like pancakes too.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)09:53 UTC+1 No.418916 Report

>>418912
most MMA fighters specially American MMA fighters have real low level Muay Thai compared to Thailand's. Stop trying to be a precious snowflake.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:01 UTC+1 No.418919 Report

>>418916
Most MMA guys have very poor technical striking regardless.

Exceptions include Jose Aldo, Lyoto and Dillishaw
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:09 UTC+1 No.418921 Report

>>418919
i was not impressed with dillishaws striking until i saw that last match against borao
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:16 UTC+1 No.418922 Report

>>418921
Exactly
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:19 UTC+1 No.418923 Report

Ronda Rousey has barely shown the MMA community technical judo. The same could be said with other styles like Muay Thai. Lots of MMA fighters have recycled or relied on some tried and true basics but their move sets are basic compared to high level wrestling, boxing muay thai, judo.

You don't need to find some rare style like catch just to be special. Even specializing on one of the more common styles and getting really good at it would set you apart.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:20 UTC+1 No.418924 Report

>>418919

tyrone spong, anderson silva, nick diaz, junior dos santos, cain velasquez, mirko crocop, overeem, jon jones, gustafson, belfort, rockhold , hendricks, condit ,hyun kim, nelson , pettis , melendez, nate diaz, barboza, barao...
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:24 UTC+1 No.418925 Report

>>418924
Those are good strikers for MMA and some of them are technical. But are all of them? No.

Hell even Anderson Silva has pretty bad fundamentals when it comes to Muay Thai, which is why he was so horribly punished and exploited by Weidman.

From the first match and have a really bad gripping scheme and trying to musle in the Muay Thai clinch, which Weidman exploited and out gripped and landed some punches that rocked Silva, to Silva's sloppy low kick which was exploited with a leg check that practically ended Silva's career.

Silva isn't bad, but he relies on basics and then enhances them with athleticism, this hides some of his gaps but prevents him from being truly technical like a Thai Muay Thai practitioner.


Same could be said with Jon Jones, he's creative and open minded enough to try new moves. but is he really technical and good with them? Its so so, he uses his physical gifts of reach and explosive strength to enhance his basic moves.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:28 UTC+1 No.418926 Report

>>418924
nick diaz also his a unique style of boxing that relies on his physical gift of reach but is it really high technical striking? yes and no, he uses a gimmick and relied on it. but then people like GSP and others figured ways around it and the Diaz brothers were unable to adapt and have been on a losing streak because they haven't been able to adapt, evolve and become more technical with their striking.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)10:39 UTC+1 No.418928 Report

>>418912
As someone who lives and works in Osaka, and trains at a shooto gym (which is sort of influenced by catch-as-catch-can, anyways) I'll give you some advice, anon.

It isn't really that different from your basic MMA gym, aside from the fact that they don't rely on the gi much. It's not some super special rare grappling style. We use guard work, sweeps, basic takedowns from wrestling and judo, etc. It's mostly the same stuff you'll find in an American MMA gym, except that some of us wear colorful pants.

Basic positioning, stance, conditioning, it's all there. Not much is different.

Japan is really expensive too, and if you don't speak the language and don't know anybody here, I guarantee you that you'll have a very hard time getting by. Just find a nice MMA gym in your country and start your career there, anon.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)11:24 UTC+1 No.418937 Report

>>418928
Dont the japanese grow tired of all the westerners coming there to learn martial arts.
I always imagine the tough guy japanese patriot showing you ou'r enot welcome there.
Do you get along well with them?
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)11:27 UTC+1 No.418938 Report

>>418924

Plus Melvin Manhoefs 7hit combos. Although they lack precision they are pretty impressive too..
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)11:58 UTC+1 No.418945 Report

>>418937
>Dont the japanese grow tired of all the westerners coming there to learn martial arts.
I don't really think a lot of westerners come to learn martial arts. Most visiting foreigners just come for the sights or the nightlife. The ones that do come for martial arts are usually more interested in ones like karate or aikido, and I've never trained in those arts, so I wouldn't know.

I get along pretty well with them. It's kind of an exaggeration that "they all hate outsiders," but the truth is, even if they do like you, you'll never truly be "one of them," But that's fine since my friends here include both japanese and other gaijin. The people in my dojo seem to be very accepting of me, however.

And people in Osaka are more welcoming towards foreigners in general. From my experiences, people in Tokyo are a bit cold.

And I don't know if it's because I'm a gaijin, but since I compete in amateur shooto, some of my opponents have been a bit hostile towards me.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)12:28 UTC+1 No.418952 Report

>>418945
>And I don't know if it's because I'm a gaijin, but since I compete in amateur shooto, some of my opponents have been a bit hostile towards me.

More hostile than towards other japanese?
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)12:43 UTC+1 No.418957 Report

>>418952
I'm not sure. It could be just my paranoia telling me it's because I'm a gaijin, but there have been two occasions, where they gave off a hostile vibe. One was an opponent trying to cheap shot me as I reached to touch gloves, and another was one that refused to touch gloves at all.

There's a chance it has nothing to do with my ethnicity, and they're just trying to intimidate their opponent, but it got me wondering. Needless to say, I never attempt to touch gloves anymore, unless someone reaches out first.

The rest of my opponents have been respectful, however.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)12:55 UTC+1 No.418963 Report

>>418957
Where do you train, Nipponfriend?
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)13:03 UTC+1 No.418965 Report

>>418963
Inagakigumi. Why do you ask?
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)16:04 UTC+1 No.419017 Report

>>418957

I thought they were big into being so honorabur. What a pair of shitlords. I'm quite surprised.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)16:43 UTC+1 No.419026 Report

>>418965
Do they teach catch wrestling there? I looked it up, but it's all in japanese wtf.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)16:52 UTC+1 No.419029 Report

>>419026
>Iooks up an MMA gym in Japan
>wtf its all in japanese

I wonder why...
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)17:02 UTC+1 No.419032 Report

>>419017
They usually are. Besides those two guys, I've never had anyone else be disrespectful to me in this sport. I guess those two incidents just stuck with me because when someone is mean to me, I really remember it and play it over in my head. I don't know. I'm a little self-conscious.

>>419026
They refer to their grappling style as "hybrid wrestling" or "shoot wrestling,"

Yeah, sorry. The website's in japanese. It's in Daikokucho. You can come over and be my friend if you'd like.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)18:02 UTC+1 No.419040 Report

Fist down throat: most ebin move ever

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBUwGMSzhcg
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)18:38 UTC+1 No.419046 Report

>>417242
what's the difference between catch and bjj?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQsZncb4AM

i really can't tell the two apart. i thought the guy with long hair was bjj because he pulled guard two times but it turns out he was the catch wrestler.

to me, catch is basically no gi bjj.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)18:45 UTC+1 No.419049 Report

>>419046
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQsZncb4AM
that long hair guy was a really thick girl.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)18:53 UTC+1 No.419055 Report

>>419049
are you sure?

>>419046
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wDb1RNYb8M

another interesting fight. but its regular wrestling vs bjj not catch. very interesting to see the bjj guy winning in the end by submission considering the wrestler dominated the whole match. i think both have their value in MMA, since the nigga could have done a nice ground and pound at the guy, but apparently was clueless of what to do once he got him pinned. i hope judo will help me on maintaining better top positions and pins since bjj guys i train with just sit on their asses the whole time.
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)19:01 UTC+1 No.419061 Report

>>419055
look at the website in the youtube. long hair guy is a fat chick. She is a security guard or something. The only one certified from undefeated UFC and Pride Champ Bas Rutten

http://www.kapapsingapore.com/#!instructors/citr
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)19:04 UTC+1 No.419063 Report

>>419055
Judo will help your passing game, top game, aggresion and provide you a bunch of takedowns and takedown defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNbUnMZPBp8
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)19:10 UTC+1 No.419072 Report

>>417493
Yes wrestling dates thousands of years. Catch wrestling was born in the 1800's right before Judo.
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?????? ????? 05/30/14(Fri)19:33 UTC+1 No.419088 Report

>>417238
Kudo is pretty much just Sambo
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Anonymous 05/30/14(Fri)21:45 UTC+1 No.419132 Report

>>417238
>>417251

I did something like this for a few weeks in germany.

It was was called "kyokushindo"
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)04:08 UTC+1 No.419390 Report

>>417382
Why do you need to bring yourself up in any thread that doesn't concern you?

Do us a favor and fuck off
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)04:16 UTC+1 No.419393 Report

>>419032
How do you find it living there?
I was gonna go over there and teach english after I graduate from uni.
What's the culture in the gym like?
I've been to Japan a fair few times but only for snowboarding and touristy shit and on the whole they were generally very nice to me but it may be because I'm asian so I'm like an undercover gaijin.

Also, the first time you trained at the gym, did you just rock up? Or did you let them know you were coming first through a call or email or something?
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)04:28 UTC+1 No.419394 Report

>>419390
because everyone on /asp/ loves and adores the mighty tkd of brah
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)04:44 UTC+1 No.419401 Report

>>417238
kapanese mma is called shooto
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)04:46 UTC+1 No.419404 Report

>>417249
Erik Paulson wasn't the only person Yori Nakamura taught in the states. For fucks sake, he isn't even the only lineage. As of course there were people doing it here before Yori

For instance my teacher trained under Yori.

Hell Erik has his own organization with tons of schools throughout the globe.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:06 UTC+1 No.419412 Report

>>417280
Erik was doing BJJ mostly under the Gracie's initially. It was only after they kicked him out of their school he started training exclusively with the Machados. I'm not sure how the timeline fits together, but I doubt he was training BJJ long before he was introduced to shooto. It always seemed to me like they were doing a lot of it at about the same time. Besides, before he ever did BJJ he did Judo and I'm sure my coach taught him some wrestling since they used to train together back home before they moved out to california. They would mix a lot of stuff together and my coach was a wrestler.
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PuroHook 05/31/14(Sat)05:09 UTC+1 No.419417 Report

>>417406
>The figure four lock for example came from catch wrestling.
No it didn't, it came from the Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. It's an invented pro wrestling concession hold; there is no reason to ever use this instead of a regular kneebar.

>>417488
IWSA and Scientific Wrestling are fraudulent as organizations and their "catch wrestling" is not historical. I'm not saying that what they teach is not useful, and I have trained under students of those organizations and added a lot of it to my game, but really, what those guys are teaching are largely just modern hybrid grappling systems which are based on what they think catch wrestling's main principles were. It's all like really sub-par wrestling-heavy BJJ with a focus on leglocks and being "unique" and "different". But I'd bet my big toe that if you could've shown what they're teaching to Lou Thesz, Thesz would disagree that what they're teaching is the same thing as what he practiced, both in principle and in terms of actual technique.

>>417441
>It is only 11 years older then Judo.
Catch wrestling has no founding date, that's nonsense. It's literally impossible to pin down a date at which catch was born, as it is with boxing.


It's important to not that catch was also not really syllabized. Although there are some techniques which are native to catch such as the heel hook, crab hold variants, the STF, toehold variants, and various spine manipulations techs, it was taught as a collection of general wrestling concepts for maintaining base, manipulating limbs, riding, pinning, etc, and evolved as a meta-game for exploiting various rulesets rather than being taught as a series of techniques as in BJJ or Judo, which is in large part why it mostly died out when the sport mostly died out. What remains of catch wrestling now has mostly been amalgamated into the rest of today's hybrid grappling systems, except for certain techniques or attacking sequences which have fallen out of relevance due to current rulesets.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:15 UTC+1 No.419422 Report

>>417488
The ISWA and Scientific Wrestling are dubious sources at best.

I can give my thumbs up to Snake Pit USA though. My coach is affiliated with them (he is on the board or some shit). He basically told me they have some cool stuff, but don't have anybody particularly good. More a bunch of big bruisers.
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)05:16 UTC+1 No.419424 Report

>>419417
From what i can tell, bjj and judo both have a similar moveset, the real brass tacks come down to their approach to things

Hey hooker, i've heard people tell me leg locks will make me forget about passing guard, and people who say that leg locks will help me pass guard even better

What do you think? In my defense, most locks i've gotten on people are just straight ankle and mostly in defense after i got my boot on

(and what is this fig 4 leglock you speak of? I assume you don't mean the old school way of doing a straight ankle?)
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:21 UTC+1 No.419428 Report

>>419393
>How do you find it living there?
It's alright. I've been here for awhile now, so after the initial culture shock, I've gotten pretty used to it. It's actually quite relaxing at times, despite the hectic nature of the japanese. It's pretty expensive though, so be prepared for that. And to my knowledge, Tokyo is significantly more expensive than Osaka, where I live.

It's kind of a misconception that japanese are incredibly racist towards others, they're not. They're usually very polite, HOWEVER no matter what you will always be seen as an outsider. The polite term for "gaijin" is "gaikokujin" and they'll be calling you that a lot. Also, they'll assume you know nothing about japanese culture and it's language if they know you're a foreigner. While they're polite and respectful, the stereotype of americans there are usually "simple-minded and know nothing of other cultures,"

>What's the culture in the gym like?
Oddly playful. The guys like messing around a lot, but we're all serious when we need to be. I was a little nervous the first few weeks, since I'm kind of a timid faggot sometimes, but I warmed up quickly to them, and I'm pretty close with most of them.

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Also, the first time you trained at the gym, did you just rock up? Or did you let them know you were coming first through a call or email or something?
A friend from the school where I learned Japanese introduced me to some of them. I eventually signed up for their gym, started training, and before long, I started competing in some shooto. (I have a high school wrestling background)

Currently, I'm a C-class shootist.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:27 UTC+1 No.419434 Report

>>419417
>What remains of catch now

I think you forgot Folk style and freestyle.

Anyways, catch has some cool stuff. But the basic of grappling are the basics of grappling.

If you guys want to see a really good example of a catch wrestling move dominating a fight, the best example is Brock Lesnar vs Mir 2. Brock had him in the stockade for a lot of the first round and used it to punch the shit out of him.

The stockade is a great position for MMA and grappling. Lots of submissions.

Brock was taught the move by his Wrestling coaches father. His wrestling coach was Marty Morgan. His dad, Papa Morgan, was brought in for Brock's training. Papa Morgan was a catch wrestler and bare knuckle boxer with over 200 matches.

A cool story my coach (who was one of Brock's coaches) shared with us while he was teaching us the stockade.

BTW if you want to see some legit catch wrestling:

https://www.youtube.com/user/lancashirecatch/videos
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:33 UTC+1 No.419437 Report

>>419424
I'm not Purohook, I'm the post below yours, but leglocks won't really make you forget about passing guard. But you should really, really know how to pass guard as well. Just grasping at their legs from a standing position and attempting to fall back isn't always a wise option and will usually put you in a bad position.

Plus, it looks stupid if you fail.
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)05:36 UTC+1 No.419441 Report

>>419434
I've heard you tell that story about papa morgan a lot

what's the stockade? you keep mentioning it?

>>419437
Is getting them to half guard good enough? Around when i get there i see a way to disengage
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:40 UTC+1 No.419443 Report

>>419441
>Is getting them to half guard good enough?

Usually, yeah. A lot of leglocks are done from half-guard. Also, if you like being on a bottom, I actually find it easier to set them up from being on the bottom.
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PuroHook 05/31/14(Sat)05:40 UTC+1 No.419444 Report

>>419424
Both perspectives have merit, and in fact are not really mutually exclusive. People who are not good at passing guard who learn solid leglocks tend to become reliant on leglocks. Not always, but often, because hey, if you suck at one thing and you're good at the other thing, you tend to use the thing which you think gives you the best chance of winning. The problem is that relying on any one technique too much stunts your growth. If you're good at passing guard, and you learn a leglock series quite well, leglock attacks absolutely will open up opportunities for you to pass, and vice versa, as with all martial arts it's always been a predominant psychological tactic to get your opponent to think you're going left and then go right. My advice is to get good at passing before getting good at leglocks. If you do it the other way around, the temptation to abandon your passing when it's not working and try to crank on people's lower limbs is too great even when you're aware of it, and obviously once you get into that habit (which is very easy to do), your passing progress will slow tremendously.

Pic is figure four leglock, it's basically a kneebar which utilizes the opponent's own shin as the fulcrum for hyper extending his knee upon, and his extended leg as a lever, which you apply pressure to using your hips. You can see it in pro wrestling shitloads if you jump on YT or something
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:47 UTC+1 No.419447 Report

>>419437
>>419441
>>419443
>>419444
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WnfoJ51Qhk&feature=kp
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:49 UTC+1 No.419448 Report

>>419441
google the fight bro: lesnar vs mir 2

the stockade is a position you an get someone in usually from side control (brock does it from half guard which is nice if you want to punch somebody).

If you can get it, you have tons of options.

Here's an entire article on it:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/stockade-compendium-gif-image-heavy-long-post-2667769/

The stockade is a really really good position to get. This article goes into way more depth than my coach did. The position itself is a neck crank.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:50 UTC+1 No.419449 Report

I'd love to see some more Silat. It's great for teaching fighting from different vertical positions (fighting from your back, from your knees, from your ass on the ground, etc.).

Also, Kali. MMA faggots don't realize that sticks have them out-ranged.
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)05:50 UTC+1 No.419450 Report

>>419443
It's pretty easy for me to pass guard and fight off my back, but i suck at playing a tight game. I like distance to use my flexibility

>>419444
...so is it just hard to get that leg lock set up or is it just easy to get out of? It looks like one of those mystical "the opponent can't hook your heels like a bitch" Leglocks, like the Boston Crab which, despite tosh's advice, i'm still pretty sure could be the basis of my ground game.
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)05:52 UTC+1 No.419451 Report

>>419448
i can see the crank, but if you went for a punch wouldn't that leave you pretty open for a tri? or at least a tri-omo-straight ankle set up?
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)05:59 UTC+1 No.419461 Report

>>419450
>basing entire strategy off getting a boston crab

That sounds a little hard. You really should just work on the basics first before trying to become proficient at anything else. The best leglock guys learned the basics first.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)06:04 UTC+1 No.419462 Report

>>419449
>MMA faggots don't realize that sticks have them out-ranged.

Anyone who isn't retarded knows that.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)06:05 UTC+1 No.419463 Report

>>419451
Have someone put you in that position, make sure they are applying it right, and then try to do that.

You will not want. That will make the neck crank worse. Also, bork did it from half guard.

There are like a million submissions from that position. And, like I said, you can even submit people with just the position if you crank it hard enough.

My coach has a really good set up for it. Wish I could draw a picture. But it is from an amazing control position that isn't really used because I don't think anybody remembers its there. It's basically from modified standard side control position where you have your arm under their neck and the other under the arm. but instead of clasping you hands together under their shoulder, you do it on top of their shoulder. It is really unpleasant as well and great control. My coach said if he knew it, he would have used it all the time back when he wrestled. It also cranks their neck.
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)06:07 UTC+1 No.419465 Report

>>419461
Honestly, it's kinda a joke, but it's more of a goal - to leg lock my opponent without giving a chance to get locked.

Boston crab is easy to get to if you cheat your way from under a mount

Also if someone ever postures up on you...

Was thinking of going to a 3rd gym, and forbidding myself from using leglocks at the gym i'm trying to promote in. That way i still learn to lock the leg, but i work my basics too. (if i cut fridays from yobe i can go to 4 classes of another gym, 2 kick/2jits)

But all bets are off if someone goes for mine. I want to defend against leglocks most of all.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)06:10 UTC+1 No.419468 Report

>>419465
Do leglocks scare you?

They scare a lot of people.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)06:13 UTC+1 No.419470 Report

>>419468
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)06:16 UTC+1 No.419471 Report

>>419468
well anon, as someone who honestly wants to be one of those roided out 50 year old pro fighters one day

the idea of a single move that could end my career scares me

Since then, i've learned that there are lots of leg locks, some are so piss easy they're not even really leg locks, some are so dangerous you shouldn't even try them because you'll fuck up someone's knee

But at the same time, in nogi/mma, it's even possible to spaz your way out of one if you're lucky

And it's even harder to lock your legs if you've got long, flexible, and powerful legs.

So really, i'm in the best/worst spot to be in with leglocks. On one hand, they could easily end my career and strongest weapon. On the other, i've got a great frame to work with

BTW, what do people think about kneebars? i'm vaugely scared because it's possible to injure someone without knowing it till later

Am i scared? No. But i am cautious. And that's why i'm studying them so much.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)06:17 UTC+1 No.419472 Report

>>419470
Did you know Rousimar Palhares is possibly legally retarded?
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TKDbravo 05/31/14(Sat)06:25 UTC+1 No.419475 Report

>>419471
>>419472
>>419470
Honestly, silva's injury scares me more then palhares.

Palhares was deliberate (or stupid as shit), but he said "i'm going to put an invert, and imma CRANK DAT SOULJA BOI"

Silva just said "Ok, i'mma keep hitting his knees till his guard drops and i go for a brazilian-bwheel comb-OH GOD IT HURTS"
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)07:32 UTC+1 No.419515 Report

>>419471
As a leglock dude, let me say it

It matters for really little how long, flexible or powerful your legs are, you can roll, try to push yourself or you can even try some nasty shit and i will just torn your knee like all fuck if you annoy me enough.

To spazz out is possible of ANY move but of a proficient dude at their efficient lock, yeah, your chances are slim dude.

You are going about them in kind of an awkward angle but at least you are giving them importance and you are curious about them, which i am glad for you.

Kneebars are fine, most people will tap when they realize they just can't go anywhere, occasionally there will be the dumbfuck "leglocks" don't work on me, no, it's just that no one has actually wanted to fuck your shit up and backwards.
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PuroHook 05/31/14(Sat)08:02 UTC+1 No.419529 Report

>>419450
>...so is it just hard to get that leg lock set up or is it just easy to get out of?
Both. The "traditional" setup is just retarded, you step over the leg you're holding like you're going to kneebar, then you spin around 360 degrees as you place the victims ankle over his knee, then sit down and place your outside leg over his ankle to secure it. This can be countered by just pushing on the guys ass as he spins around to kick him away, but even more retardedly, once it's fully locked in, if the victim turns over on his belly and does a pressup to his knees he's applying a vicious calf crank which is probably more dangerous than the initial kneebar attempt. lol. It's a great thing for pro wrestling storytelling, but you'd never really use it in an actual competitive context.

>>419471
>BTW, what do people think about kneebars?
They're very effective and pretty safe. Your opponent will feel pain and pressure long before his knee is hyperextended dangerously, and even if you hyperextended his knee a bit (which is not that uncommon in competition) it's not that much of a serious injury until you get to the point where you're hyperextending the knee by more than 10 degrees. A lot like an armbar. You gotta ruthlessly smash your hips to the ceiling to really injure someone badly, otherwise, meh.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)08:24 UTC+1 No.419532 Report

>>419465
Boston crab is easy to get if you are grappling with a dude that has never seen it before or went full retard i would only call the boston crab easy if you are way above the league of the other dude, in which case, stop taking advantage of homies.

Dude your posture on leglocks it's really strange, just drill them, work them and use them.
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Anonymous 05/31/14(Sat)09:17 UTC+1 No.419552 Report

>>419428
Cheers for the info bro.
The closest to Osaka I've been was Kyoto.
I'm not American so hopefully they won't think of me as ignorant of the bat but Is there a stereotype for Aussies there?
And what's roughly the average weight of the dudes in the gym?
Where I train the average weight is about 80kgs so I'm the smallest there at 63.

Once again, cheers for the info dude
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Anonymous 06/01/14(Sun)03:22 UTC+1 No.419879 Report

I really wish Silat got more love, the issue is it's mostly weapon-based so it's not really something that'd actually be allowed in shit like MMA.
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Anonymous 06/01/14(Sun)03:39 UTC+1 No.419885 Report

>>419879
Empty hand silat is awesome. Has a lot of takedowns and leg trips similar to judo.
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Anonymous 06/01/14(Sun)03:40 UTC+1 No.419887 Report

>>419885
Personally I still prefer it with a knife, since it somehow can be fast as shit but you get a pretty good gist of what they've done in like, seconds.
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Anonymous 06/04/14(Wed)07:44 UTC+1 No.424103 Report

i wish sumo was bigger in the west
its also dying here in japan because of the yakuza, and all those goddamn mongols taking over the top

you would think america would be the best place for sumo...because they fat
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