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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)03:40 UTC+1 No.472627 Report

Wrestling is fake, why do people watch it?
We all know that wrestlers train hard there's no doubt about it. However the outcome has already been determined and skill plays no role in that. Knowing that the outcome is pre-determined, why not just watch a movie or a play?

Pic related: The average wrestling fan
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)03:44 UTC+1 No.472644 Report

>>472627
>Wrestling is fake
So are movies, plays, and democracy and i still assist to all of those.
>the outcome has already been determined and skill plays no role in that.
isn't acting a skill. I think it is the same like movies and the guys can actually get really hurt if something goes wrong
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)03:46 UTC+1 No.472657 Report

>>>/sp/
Where your kind belong.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)03:54 UTC+1 No.472703 Report

Pro wrestling is cool and gay just like me. Haha just kidding I'm not cool or gay.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:01 UTC+1 No.472740 Report

>>472627
>bunch of ROH marks
>average fan
nigga u dumb
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:07 UTC+1 No.472791 Report

>>472627
>Pic related: The average wrestling fan
If you're gonna take a pic of you and your CMA babby friends, at least take pride in it.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:09 UTC+1 No.472803 Report

It appeals to children and manchildren, honestly.

>It's fake, but so are movies!

Yeah, so watch movies or a play, at least they're trained and believable. Wrestlers obviously can't act, the only one to go onto a successful acting career is the rock, and come on, he's not very good.

>I like watching people fight

Then watch UFC, Boxing, etc. Its real people fighting.

Ever wonder why most of their money comes from the south and mexicans, because they're fucking stoooooooopid.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:13 UTC+1 No.472818 Report

>Falling for bait this weak
I might as well be on /co/ right now.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:20 UTC+1 No.472822 Report

>>472803

>at least they're trained and believable.

Fuck you a talking space raccoon is believable
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:23 UTC+1 No.472826 Report

>>472822
>getting mad on the internet

My point, manchildren.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:24 UTC+1 No.472827 Report

>>472826

>swearing indicates anger

Don't you have a handler or something that can interpret things for you?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:26 UTC+1 No.472830 Report

>>472827
Why do you keep feeding the troll?
Jesus, could this board be anymore underage?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:26 UTC+1 No.472832 Report

>>472827
>still getting mad
>resorting to implying that someone on the internet is mentally handicapped

Manchildren, when will they stop?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:27 UTC+1 No.472833 Report

>>472830

I'm bored
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:30 UTC+1 No.472836 Report

The idea if people doing choreographed moves in fake fights sounds amazing, but somehow, wrestling manages to be boring as fuck
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:32 UTC+1 No.472839 Report

>>472830
>could this board be anymore underage

Half of it watches wrestling, of course not.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:36 UTC+1 No.472844 Report

>>472839
ebin
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:40 UTC+1 No.472846 Report

>>472830
We don't have them too often here
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)04:42 UTC+1 No.472848 Report

>>472846
And we should keep it like that.
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PuroHook 07/29/14(Tue)05:06 UTC+1 No.472871 Report

>>472803
>manchildren
Guilty. I could still probably break most of anon in half using - ironically enough - the martial art of pro wrestling.

>so watch movies or a play
I do.

>at least they're trained and believable
Seriously? Trained to do what? Talk? Certainly not fight, movie fights are pretty much never realistic, and movie actors never hit each other, you can see the daylight from a mile away. Pro wrestlers really hit each other, all the time, really hard. They just do it "safely", so as to reduce the amount of wounds, concussions, and broken bones. Which are still commonplace. Wrestlers don't need to act, they need to sell, theres a difference. Acting has nothing to do with pro wrestling. But if we're going to play that game, I would love to see how well Christian Bale would deal with being repeatedly thrown on his neck from ten feet in the air, in fact, I'd love to see how well Weidman would. He'd lose that game real fucking quick against any number of pro wrestlers, because he doesn't have the conditioning for it. "Wahh my scwawny wittle neck huwts". Maybe we could drop him in a chop battle with Go Shiozaki? Well Weidman might be a much better fighter, but in that scenario Shiozaki would make Weidman cry like a little bitch after two minutes. I'd bet everything I own. Because it's entirely a different kind of mental and physical conditioning, and a different kind of toughness.

>Then watch UFC, Boxing, etc. Its real people fighting.

I do. UFC is run on pro wrestling's rails: pro wrestling booking, pro wrestling marketing, pro wrestling promos and interviews. It's the same thing, without predetermined outcomes.

The reason pro wrestling can be fun is that you get a similar kind of buzz to watching your favorite fighters compete, but you get to see them do all these cool techniques that you'd never get to see in a shoot. How badass would it be if Mighty Mouse KO'd his next opponent with a bicycle kick? Pretty cool? Well that's the fun of pro wrestling!
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PuroHook 07/29/14(Tue)05:11 UTC+1 No.472874 Report

>>472833
Me too; obvious troll is obvious but this is a constant point of contention amongst the users who don't understand pro wrestling and are faggots about it, so I like to chime in occasionally with actual reason, even if it probably falls on deaf ears

If one user can stop being such a faggot about it then it was worth my coffee break
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)05:13 UTC+1 No.472876 Report

>>472874
I just post New Japan stuff to lure in the MA fags.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)05:30 UTC+1 No.472896 Report

>>472627
>the outcome has already been determined

If I don't know the outcome beforehand, it's all the same. The outcome of any sports events, or any events at all for that matter, are predetermined (or random) too. They are just (usually) not observable a priori.

>skill plays no role in that

"Skill" in competitive sports caters to the illusion of a "fair fight" and the implied superstition that "the better man" wins. In reality the circumstances (physical ability, genetics, social backgound, just general happenstance) always favor some participant more than others. A true "fair fight" would just be a 50%-50% coin toss.

>why not just watch a movie or a play?

This brings to mind another question. If you say wrestling "isn't real" and that that's a reason not to watch it, then do you apply the same logic also to, say, war movies? The actors don't die for real, so it's just as fake? If a wrestling character is scripted to lose, and a movie character is scripted to die, why would one be worse entertainment than the other?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)06:14 UTC+1 No.472928 Report

>>472627
I hate watching pro wrestling. The thrill of MMA boxing etc is that the outcome isn't predetermined, money and fighter pride are on the line. The techniques are real and aren't being sold, and I think that makes it more spectacular not less.

I have no respect for pro wrestling as a fighting style and competition. Because it isn't. I have as much respect for it as entertainment showmanship and athleticism as anything else because entertainment it is.

/asp/ should welcome wrasslefags. This is coming from a judoka and ameature MMA fighter.

Come at me whiny anti wrassle MA fags. I'll tag team you with the wrasslefags.

Also wrasslefags watch pancrase you'll love it. Pro wrestling MMA.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)06:48 UTC+1 No.472963 Report

>>472928

>Also wrasslefags watch pancrase you'll love it. Pro wrestling MMA.

Personally I most enjoy things in pro wrestling that you can't really see in MMA. High flying, lucha moves, that sort of thing.

I do also enjoy MMA/combat sports but it's a separate thing in my mind.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)07:58 UTC+1 No.473005 Report

>>472928
mma is just as fake because all effective techniques are banned because the fights would be over in 5 seconds flat
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:14 UTC+1 No.473019 Report

>>473005

Like what?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:18 UTC+1 No.473021 Report

>>473019
hahah meta troll slut
Look at CMA look at spear hands
look at crotch shots.

I want an MMA league that looks like world star hip hop or live leak. I want maimings.I want people constantly ripped apart. Biten off eyes, ears, noses.

Give me real gore
Give me real violence
None of this sports wankage.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:20 UTC+1 No.473024 Report

>>473021

So you want people who don't know how to fight.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:25 UTC+1 No.473026 Report

>>473024
>derp herp
they know how to fight
its using primal instinct concentrated into fury.
Its how i fight. Its how Krav Maga fights. Its full blast and its deadly.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:26 UTC+1 No.473029 Report
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OP here. Lots of good...
OP here. Lots of good responses to my question thanks. Also lots of anal raping butthurt from people because I asked a question. I guess those people must know everything there is to know in the universe and never need to ask questions about anything.
>>472644
>>472871
>>472896
>>472928
Thanks for the comments.

>>PuroHook !!TxP/Juwayn4
You are a waste of space. You should leave /asp/ forever. Pic of you very related.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:35 UTC+1 No.473034 Report

>>473026

lol
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:39 UTC+1 No.473037 Report

>>473026
Another victim of Krav LARPa

If you haven't tested your fighting in a local competition/gym it doesn't matter how aggressive you are you're gonna be put down by those who has experienced getting punched kicked and choked on a daily basis. And they can do all those dirty moves better than your CMA and Krav LARPers because they too have instincts
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)08:47 UTC+1 No.473046 Report

>>473037
I agree with this.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)09:22 UTC+1 No.473075 Report

>>473005
>mma is just as fake because all effective techniques are banned

MMA, like wrestling, is "fake" only if you expect or demand it to be something other than what it is. Wrestling is entertainment, and MMA is a sport. A "combat sport", yes, but a sport with rules nonetheless.

As to the "primal instinct", Krav Maga, etc. stuff, I'd say that people make too many blanket statements and, again, try to implement some sort of "rules" to create some kind of idealised "street fights" or "ultimate combat" by saying "oh these guys would beat those guys because this or that" etc.

If we talk about the most "real" combat, we'd probably have to consider something like cavemen. People who didn't have the advantage of technology or the enforcement of morality or law by an established society available to them. Would they, when faced with mortal confrontation (against other humans or physically superior animals), even consider things like what technique of punching or grappling to use, or whether they should try to bite ears or gauge eyes? Hell no, if you have to think about stuff like that, you're practically already dead. What you do, is take the first thing that gives you an advantage against your opponent, and use it. Throw a rock, hit them with a stick, call out to your friends for help... No one would call a dude who throws a rock accurately and a deadly into the head of some MMA fighter or a martial artist a "tough fighter" these days, but those dudes were the ancestors who caught prey, survived tribal wars, and got to pass on their genes. Not by being "tough", but by gaining the advantage and winning by any means necessary. And that's what fighting is at it's purest.
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)12:12 UTC+1 No.473141 Report

>>473029
>not damn nigga you bald.jpg
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)12:21 UTC+1 No.473147 Report

>>473026
>I flail blindly because I haven't been taught any technique and think it's "aggressive and deadly" because I'm a retarded goy
Ftfy
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)12:26 UTC+1 No.473152 Report

>>473147
>I'm a retarded goy
Non-jew?
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)12:32 UTC+1 No.473155 Report

>>473152
Newfag pls go
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Anonymous 07/29/14(Tue)12:35 UTC+1 No.473158 Report

>>473155
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