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hey /asp,yesterday I got into...
Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)09:18 UTC+1 No.498253 Report

hey /asp,
yesterday I got into a fight with a guy from my university over some bitch. anyways he was like "lets take this shit outside, bruvva!!!" so we got out and fought.
point is: he does taekwondo since he was 6 (so about 15 years of it) and thought he could crush me with his sick skills. I've been training muay thai for 4 years now and he got completely wrecked.
He did some superfancy shit with his feet, I closed the distance and threw three jabs and an uppercut and he went down.
I was super confused that someone who practised a MA for 15 years goes down this fast..

so...is taekwondo gernerally shit or was that guy just really bad?
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)09:25 UTC+1 No.498257 Report

>>498253
Yes to both
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)09:30 UTC+1 No.498259 Report

>>498253
don't blame the MA,that guy is just stupid.
muay thai ftw
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)09:36 UTC+1 No.498261 Report

>expecting the practitioner of a point-sparring style to have a chance against a style that trains hard-contact sparring
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)09:37 UTC+1 No.498262 Report

>>498257
>>498259
I dont know, he landed two of his fancy kicks, but they didnt really hurt and had no other effect whatsoever.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)10:02 UTC+1 No.498270 Report

>>498253
If kickboxing promotions have taught us anything it's that Taekwondo is the bottom of the barrel.

Chances are likely that the guy trained at a shitty McDojo as well because Taekwondo has a whole hell of a lot.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)12:10 UTC+1 No.498317 Report

>>498253
I met a 10 year Taekwondo practitioner once who quite frankly told me he they essentially play tag but with their feet. It's about touching the giant circles on the body which gets them points rather than going for knockouts and wrecking your opponent, so fast but weak touches are the name of the game. Not surprised the dude went down once he took a couple of actual punches.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)13:28 UTC+1 No.498349 Report

>>498253

> not giving us a proper play by play
> not making a video

OP is a faget
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)13:32 UTC+1 No.498351 Report

>>498253

fighter = not style.

just sayin.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)13:35 UTC+1 No.498352 Report

>>498253
i am not a MA practicer (i do strength sports), but: i think that just like in strength sports, doing X years doesn't mean you are going to get better without a limit.
I mean. A guy can start lifting 40kg in bench press. After 3 months he gets to 60kg. And after that he just dont advance any further. Why? He is training poorly, maybe skipping days or just mindlessly pumping iron without any strategy or plan of improving weights. So he tries to lift more, can't and bounces back. Then realizes a year has passed and he is still at 60kg.

The same could be applied to MA? If that guy didnt compete, he could have done 15 years of practicing the same shit every day and just not learning anything more past his 5th year.

Meanwhile you may be stronger and have trained harder, thus learning more.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)13:38 UTC+1 No.498353 Report

>>498352
What? If you practiced a small number of techniques for 15 years, then you'd be incredibly good at those techniques. Here's a pointer: don't start off any sentence with "I know nothing about this topic." You just might make yourself sound like a complete fucking idiot.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)13:46 UTC+1 No.498355 Report

>>498353
I don't think you understood.

Also, your OPINION clearly contradicts the facts, while mine its the best fit until someone else gives a good explaination of why a guy who has trained 15 years has lost so fast against a random with just 4 years of training.

So who is the fucking idiot, anon?
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)14:16 UTC+1 No.498362 Report

>>498353
No, dude has a point.

>If you practiced a small number of techniques for 15 years, then you'd be incredibly good at those techniques.

Not if his practice is shit. He could be ingraining terrible habits.
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Muh hamstring 08/19/14(Tue)14:59 UTC+1 No.498374 Report

He was probably doing olympic style tkd on you. That and he probably sucks.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)15:50 UTC+1 No.498383 Report

>>498262
Yeah cause. Point s coring system bullshit. He shouldhave done Savate if he liked kicking so much.
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TKDomygoditsamazing 08/19/14(Tue)16:13 UTC+1 No.498391 Report

>>498383
Points in TKD have traditionally run off the Trembling Shock rule. They changed it for a while, but with the electronic gear it's back.

>>498355
maybe a better question is what was he really training? TKD, even at it's worst in the early oly years, was still a knockout competition.

my guess is said TKD school has since become a krav, MMA , or even MT school.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)16:31 UTC+1 No.498396 Report

>>498253
Taekwondo is generally shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL5Cy33RWLo
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)16:31 UTC+1 No.498398 Report

>>498353
>What? If you practiced a small number of techniques for 15 years, then you'd be incredibly good at those techniques

Fighting is not like that moron.
There is a reason legit MA academys and gyms want their students to sparr with as many different people as possible because every opponent is different.
You could drill a certain technique for decades only to find out that your opponent has a fighting stance/game/defense that totally makes your perfectly drilled technique useless.

For the same reason, just practicing or drilling a specific thing doesn't guarantee you shit because it might work beautifully on one person, but can be completely useless on another.
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)17:25 UTC+1 No.498431 Report

>>498253
A lot of TKD places are awful, he probably has never done full contact sparring without playing snipe the point pads with his feet.

If you train Muay Thai then I assume you do full contact sparring a lot, you are going to demolish most people who haven't because no amount of hitting pads trains you to fight a moving target that is trying to hit you back
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Anonymous 08/19/14(Tue)21:06 UTC+1 No.498594 Report

yes and no.
taekwondo is more of a performance art than martial art which is great for gaining some cool acrobatic skills, but its rather useless in fights without a referee.

and yes. the cheap trick is to remain unimpressed by any display of acrobatics, get close whille they try to throw some fancy kick and do whatever youre good at. they are lost once you clinch against each other.

protip: throw them a penny and applaud after they did one of their fancy moves before the fight starts, since it actually may look cool and well worth a penny.
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Anonymous 08/21/14(Thu)06:04 UTC+1 No.500232 Report

>>498253
>he does taekwondo since he was 6

Actually it means that he started Taekwondo as a kid, got bored and quit because no spar, never made black belt. Never made gains in his life.

Seriously though no high rank student would ever start that type of shit for a fight.
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Anonymous 08/21/14(Thu)08:09 UTC+1 No.500272 Report

>>498253
>did some fancy shit with his feet
lol did he even have his head covered
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Anonymous 08/21/14(Thu)08:11 UTC+1 No.500274 Report

>>498262
>kicked in a street fight

TOP FUCKING KEK LEL FUCK WAS HE GOING ABOVE THE BELT

I do TSD and I have seen some scummy TKD mcdojos but I never thought any of them would be that stupid
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)06:50 UTC+1 No.501698 Report

>>498253
Assistant martial arts instructor here, won't say what style, only that it's not Taekwondo, so I'm not biased towards it.

Kids classes are generally bullshit, they don't really learn that much, so at least 6-7 of those years barely count for anything. Furthermore, that kind of personality doesn't typically learn very much, and if he really was training for 15 years and still has an attitude like that, he probably goes to a bullshit school ran by some guy who saw a Taekwondo movie once.

So he was probably either lying, took Taekwondo as a kid for a while and then quit taking classes while he trained on his own, or he sucks and goes to a bullshit school.

I don't think Taekwondo is generally shit, but shit or not, the discipline you gain from years of any kind of legitimate martial arts training doesn't turn you into the kind of guy that starts stupid shit like that.
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)07:12 UTC+1 No.501713 Report

>>498253
As someone who's a taekwondo instructor, it's not a practical fighting style. A lot of the things that are taught are for showmanship, but the only people who go full on twinkle toes in a fistfight deserve to get rekt m8. The dude was shit and both overestimated himself, and underestimated you. He obviously didn't know what he was doing, he was probably bad and lying.
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)08:07 UTC+1 No.501727 Report

>>498353
no he has a point. its like when guys go "I want to box but i dont want to go to a gym. can i just hit a bag" if you hit the bag for ten years but never actually learn to box that doesnt necessarily mean youre good at hitting the bag
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)18:15 UTC+1 No.501871 Report

>>501727
No, it means youre good at hitting a bag, not boxing.
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)19:17 UTC+1 No.501903 Report

>>500274
>tsd
>Talking shit on anyone
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Anonymous 08/23/14(Sat)20:23 UTC+1 No.501965 Report

>he does taekwondo since he was 6 (so about 15 years of it)

He was probably just talking shit. People make all kinds of ludicrous claims before fighting (in my first street fight the other guy claimed he had been getting into street fights with "nazis" since he was 16 years old and I destroyed him.) Either that or he did it off and on and never trained seriously. Someone who's legitimately been training TKD for 15 years would decapitate you, you wouldn't be able to "shrug off his fancy kicks."
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Anonymous 08/24/14(Sun)01:53 UTC+1 No.502327 Report

>>501903
>judging an entire style regardless of training quality
>Talking shit on anyone
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)01:42 UTC+1 No.505709 Report

>>498253

>"Hurrr durrr IT'S NOT THE MARTIAL ART, IT'S THE FIGHTER hurduryurdur"

No. Some styles beat other styles, like rock beats scissors. It's just a fact and there's nothing remarkable about it.

1 year of boxing beats 20 years of wing chun.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)02:04 UTC+1 No.505724 Report

>>502327
What association are you a part of? I'm a 3rd dan in the WTSDA and it's literal garbage. When I teach I spend as little time as possible on forms/one-steps/line basics, because they're all useless bullshit. The only way to make TSD useful is to train it like sanda, at which point it's hardly TSD anymore.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)03:11 UTC+1 No.505747 Report

>>501965
Check kick in the shin with your elbow and then clinch or do the kyokushin trick of check-grab-sweep
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)03:12 UTC+1 No.505749 Report

>>505709
Pretty much this.
It's like 2 years of BJJ would beat 20 years of Boxing or 2 years of Boxing would beat 20 years of TKD
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TKDomygoditsamazing 08/27/14(Wed)03:14 UTC+1 No.505752 Report

>>505724
Honestly, a large part of "training it like sanda" is "training it in a more traditional pattern"

You know the K Tigers didn't practice forms applications by doing the low block 100 times? they did the forms for reference, then split off and started drilling
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)03:47 UTC+1 No.505759 Report

>>505709

>"Hurrr durrr IT'S NOT THE MARTIAL ART, IT'S THE FIGHTER hurduryurdur"

I agree with this.

>like rock beats scissors.

No, now you're retarded.

>1 year of boxing beats 20 years of wing chun.

Yes, boxing is "rock" in this case, but wing chun is like "wet paper bag" in that any competent style will beat it.
It's not like rock paper scissors where TKD beats boxing or vice versa depending on whatever superficial approach you take ("boxing wins because it's full contact!" "no, tkd wins because kicks have longer range and more power!")

It's not like pokemon or rock-paper-scissors, it's fucking fighting. There are simply useless martial arts for fighting and people who say "THE PRACTITIONERS SKILL IS WHAT COUNTS, NOT THE STYLE" are wrong and just taking a moderate stance to appear enlightened by their own intelligence.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)03:53 UTC+1 No.505762 Report

>>505759
>It's not like pokemon
>There are simply useless martial arts for fighting
Sounds like you're trying to say that Wing Chun is the Magikarp of martial arts.

Pokemon: 1
You: 0
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)03:58 UTC+1 No.505765 Report

>>505762

kek
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)04:13 UTC+1 No.505770 Report

>>505762
B-b-but wouldn't that logic suggests that it can evolve into a competent pokemon, like Gyrados?
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)04:48 UTC+1 No.505781 Report

>>505770
But gyarados is shit.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)07:04 UTC+1 No.505897 Report

>>505759
>>505749
These guys have never been in a fight before.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)07:06 UTC+1 No.505898 Report

>>505770
Bruce Lee started with Wing Chun.

There's no denying that he was an exceptional fighter.

So, yeah...
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)14:28 UTC+1 No.506044 Report

>>505749
>2 years of BJJ would beat 20 years of Boxing

Woah, don't get ahead of yourself, bjj faggot.

>>505759
>No, now you're retarded.

No I'm not fag. The reality is TKD, wing chun and the like are inherently inferior, and it's not the fighter that matters.

Some people argue "Yeah well if your mum did boxing and a 6 foot nigger did wing chun, would your mother win?" Obviously not. Obviously the fighter matters to a degree.

The point is if you take two 6 foot niggers with all other things equal, the one who does boxing is going to beat the one who does wing chun, 10/10 times. That is how you measure the innate superiority or faggotry of any given martial art

>>505898
>Bruce Lee started with Wing Chun.

Yeah, and he concluded that wing chun was a steaming pile of shit. Which is why he founded jeet kune do, which takes it's punching style from western boxing, which Bruce Lee decided was superior.

>There's no denying that he was an exceptional fighter

Yes there is. He did kung fu movies and TMA competitions for fucks sake. He frequently got #rekt sparring with judoka, wrestlers and kickboxers.

Stop watching movies and thinking it applies to real life, and also eat shit.
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[ISC] 08/27/14(Wed)19:45 UTC+1 No.506165 Report

>>505898
Bruce Lee wasn't a Fighter, he was an Actor. The only fight that's really well-known (and not some retarded person 'challenging' him) was his bout with Wong Jack Man, who reportedly beat the shit out of him.

So, yeah...
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)19:56 UTC+1 No.506169 Report

>>506165
>Wong Jack Man
All of the stories about their encounter seem to be conflicting.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)19:59 UTC+1 No.506170 Report

>>505898
"I'd gotten into a fight in San Francisco with a Kung-Fu cat, and after a brief encounter the son-of-a-bitch started to run. I chased him and, like a fool, kept punching him behind his head and back. Soon my fists began to swell from hitting his hard head. Right then I realized Wing Chun was not too practical and began to alter my way of fighting."
-Bruce Lee
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)23:39 UTC+1 No.506342 Report

>>506169
Facts surrounding the incident point in Wong's favor. He was see at work the next day and was clearly not beaten into an unrecognizable mess as Lee claimed, Lee bragged about his victory, yet was silent when Wong offered to fight in public, and the only known non partisan witness corroborates Wong's version
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)01:39 UTC+1 No.509080 Report

>>505724
australasia, split off from WTDSA used to be pretty good but it is getting pretty mcdojoey right now, only thing keeping me going is the sparring and the goat red and above classes
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)03:28 UTC+1 No.509115 Report

>>498383

Is Savate really better than TKD for actual fighting?
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)03:45 UTC+1 No.509119 Report

>>505749

>he thinks bjj is better than boxing

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAA
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)04:00 UTC+1 No.509126 Report

>>509119
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/10005108/royce_gracie_vs_art_jimmerson/
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)04:08 UTC+1 No.509130 Report

>>509119
Pure grapplers almost always beat pure strikers. Taking a fight to the ground is easy, knowing what to do when you get there is not.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)04:11 UTC+1 No.509133 Report

>>509126
Why is that guy wearing only one boxing glove?

Pacquiao would destroy Gracie.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)04:18 UTC+1 No.509144 Report

>>509133
"Big John said, 'you know what he's going to do to you right?'" McLaren said, re-telling the story he only recently became privy to. "Jimmerson said, ‘what's he going to do?' and he was dancing around and doing boxing moves. Big John said, ‘You ever get in a clinch in a boxing match?' Jimmerson said, ‘yeah, the ref breaks it up.' Big John goes," In this they're not going to break it up when he grabs you. He's going to have his arms on you. They're not going to break that up. The ref doesn't break that up in this fight.' Jimmerson goes, ‘what?' Big John said, "He's going to shoot in. He's going to grab you. You are going to get one chance to hit him, and if you miss, he's going to be all over you.' Jimmerson said, ‘He's going to break my arm isn't he?' Big John said, ‘Yeah, he's going to break your arm.'

"That's when he decided to wear the one glove," McLaren revealed. "To make sure we could see him tapping with the other hand. Walking with him to the Octagon, he said, 'If I tap with my glove hand, is it a still a tap?' That's when I knew it wasn't going to work out."

The pro boxer was practically a deer in headlights -- he never even threw a single punch. Neither did Gracie, who took down Jimmerson on the first attempt before immediately moving into the mount. The one-gloved pugilist from Missouri was at a worse disadvantage than he would've already been in because of not being able to grip with the hand that donned the boxing glove. He would submit little more than two minutes into the fight, losing officially by "position."

That's why he was wearing one glove. Also, it's why he lost. He gave up before the fight even started.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)20:46 UTC+1 No.509557 Report

>>509144
Wow, what a pussy.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)10:01 UTC+1 No.510114 Report

>>509144
I've also heard he wore one glove so he wouldn't damage his hand when he punches (the gloved hand.)
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)13:49 UTC+1 No.510176 Report

>>498262
>above the belt kicks in a street fight
>not being able to produce a powerful strike with a KICK
>being this bad at tkd

tkd is bad 4dastreetz but this guy is a whole new world of bad.

Based MT
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)15:24 UTC+1 No.510210 Report

Assuming roughly equal size, fitness, etc., does a boxer have a chance against someone who does Muay Thai if they've trained the same amount of time?
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)16:34 UTC+1 No.510226 Report

>>510210
Perhaps, but their leg kicks would be devastating to the boxer along with the clinch if he is well trained in it.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)16:40 UTC+1 No.510227 Report

>>509133
>Pacquiao would destroy Gracie

oh jesus christ
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)16:43 UTC+1 No.510228 Report

>>510210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXkcYul1LRo
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?????? ????? 09/01/14(Mon)17:35 UTC+1 No.510241 Report

>>510228
Ray Mercer's career was such total bullshit. All dives and tomato cans. I always wonder if he ever once did camp to start fighting
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)18:03 UTC+1 No.510250 Report

>>510241
Hey cambo

http://youtu.be/TKdYM1jiq_c

would you say the kick at 11 seconds would be a Jump back kick or a slide in 540 Back? I could see it going both ways
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)18:43 UTC+1 No.510289 Report

>>509144
That's less a matter of actual skill and more a matter of cowardice. If he'd done that one punch, and he'd really made it connect, he could've put his opponent off his game and that'd be that.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)18:44 UTC+1 No.510291 Report

>>510226
How would you recommend a boxer learn to deal with those things, assuming he wants to keep his primary focus in boxing and not just become a MT guy?
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)18:51 UTC+1 No.510303 Report

>>510291
Rush the MT guy start of the match and maintain distance

Keep weight on the front leg and soak the kick instead of just taking it

Go for the doumawashi, the easiest kick to throw for those who can't kick
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)18:59 UTC+1 No.510311 Report

>>510303
Thanks. Any info on that kick?
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)18:59 UTC+1 No.510312 Report

>>510291
you're training for a mixed fight, right?

Ok, the trick to this is to not practice it until you're pumped up for the match. Game day you'll be more aware of your body and how to intuitively pull it off

Just practice cartwheels to get the sense of throwing your body

The trick to doumawashi is to push your shoulder to the ground before pulling your legs over your head. It's so easy to throw i once hit a kid with it before i even did TKD. The other foot will fall to the ground naturally because you're so used to being upright.
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)19:01 UTC+1 No.510313 Report

>>510312
http://youtu.be/xr2StCdq4M0
If you'll notice, many times it's landed against kickers succesfully. Works in mma and kick and real life fight 100%
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)19:02 UTC+1 No.510314 Report

>>509115
yeah its mostly kicking with proper full contact sparing/comp fighting
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)19:04 UTC+1 No.510316 Report

>>510314
I think a TKD guy would have better kicks then a savate guy, but the savate guy would have better set ups.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)19:42 UTC+1 No.510341 Report

>>510316
and conditioning and much better hands but worse outfit
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TKDomygoditsamazing 09/01/14(Mon)19:57 UTC+1 No.510349 Report

>>510341
>hands
Yeah

>conditioning
No way. If we're talking top level of the sport, Savate is really a national thing, TKD is a world Oly event.

>outfit

I kinda like to dobok. But i wouldn't mind learning savate to get to wear that uniform. And kick people WITH FUCKING BOOTS

WITH FUCKING BOOOOOOOTS

TKD kicks and savate kicks are similar in many ways. But in a booted fight the savate guy has the advantage
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)20:12 UTC+1 No.510355 Report

>>510349
yeah the boots are fucking lethal but the unitard looks awful
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Anonymous 09/02/14(Tue)05:35 UTC+1 No.511674 Report

>>510227
Not exactly sure what the tone of this post is supposed to be...
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Anonymous 09/02/14(Tue)05:57 UTC+1 No.511704 Report

>>510289
>if this
>if that
pure bjj > pure anything (besides oldschool judo)
this has been proven over and over and over and over and over
please learn a bit of mma history
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Anonymous 09/02/14(Tue)06:02 UTC+1 No.511708 Report

>>510291
by trainning MT/MMA
you don't have to use MT moves in the fight but you will have to fight a lot under MT rules to learn how to defend the kicks and clinches

there are many fighters focused on one aspect in UFC and they still do well, but that's because they train under MMA rules.

tl;dr
train MT.
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