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So this debate kinda ensued on...
Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:23 UTC+1 No.7638769 Report

So this debate kinda ensued on tumblr and I was legitimately curious on what seagulls would thing about it.

http://jiidesu.tumblr.com/post/89971408509/why-are-you-against-cosplayers-photo-shopping-their

I know it's pretty stupid and all considering most photoshoped pictures posted here get called out daily, but I see there are people actually okay with it and I was wondering if there were people who thought this way too?

Just want to hear general opinions on the matter.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:30 UTC+1 No.7638790 Report

>>7638769
It depends. As long as people can still recognize you as yourself is fine to touch up
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:32 UTC+1 No.7638796 Report

>>7638769
>Who the fuck want that asstawt's support
>Tumberfags thinking their opinion matters
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:33 UTC+1 No.7638802 Report

>>7638790

I actually agree on touch ups. Like if you kinda had some zits the day of the shoot or something like this I guess it's okay to touch up.

My guess is what he means is when people shop themselves completely out of proportion like their jaws or noses to look more like the character in pictures. I guess it's also done when the person doesn't have much knowledge or makeup skills?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:41 UTC+1 No.7638826 Report

Doing normal touch-up things like fixing lighting and removing pimples is fine but it's weird when people use the liquify tool and stuff to change their actual face shape and structure. Most people suck at that sort of thing anyway, and there's a 99.99999% chance of your photo ending up in uncanny valley. It seems kind of pointless because unless you just cosplay inside your house people are inevitably going to see what you really look like.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:01 UTC+1 No.7638872 Report

>>7638826
I neglect to wear contacts for a lot of shoots and photoshop my eye colour, remove pimples, remove my tattoo in costumes that show it and I think things like that are fine and don't need to be addressed when posting photos.

While I don't really like the look of photos where the cosplayer has photoshopped themselves to look more like the character (especially to the no-longer human looking extent a lot of Asian cosplayers go to), I don't see anything wrong with it as long as they're willing to admit it.

Aside from their shop debate, this person is so caught up on things not being fake and the cosplayer being a person in a costume rather than someone portraying a character which is a terrible way to look at cosplay. I look at pictues of JNig or Yaya and see them dressed up as opposed to a character brought to life and it ruins the illusion for me.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:09 UTC+1 No.7638883 Report

>spend hours researching character and collecting screengrabs from all angles to recreate character
>spend hours styling wig to recreate character
>spend hours hand making costume to accurately recreate character
>spend hours doing makeup and contouring to accurately recreate character
>spend hours learning character's poses to accurately recreate character
>spend hours squeezed into heels and shapewear to accurately recreate character body shape
>spend five minutes using computer program to enhance appearance to accurately recreate character
"OMG that is so unfair and goes against the spirit of cosplay, why would you try to change yourself to look like the character like that?!?!"
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:14 UTC+1 No.7638889 Report

>>7638883

Still requires more effort than just taking a picture of yourself and sopping everything on yourself. The point is the craftsmanship of it.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:18 UTC+1 No.7638894 Report

People don't even make their own costumes anymore. I'm beyond caring at this point about what other people do.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:29 UTC+1 No.7638906 Report

I'm here for the lolita, but my friends are cosplayers and I attend a lot of cons.
>They announce internationally famous cosplayer
>See cosplayer in person, looks nothing pictures, costumes are disappointing and full of small finishing problems
or
>see mediocre butterface cosplayer around con
>see con boards bombarded with butterface's AMAZINGLY GLORIOUS PICS that might as well be 100% digital art

I'm not sure if the problem is the shooping as much as what you mean to do with the pictures. Keep it to yourself and share with friends is fine. But trying to gain popularity via a whole new face, body and skills you had built for you on an image editor just makes you look like a shitty person.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:33 UTC+1 No.7638912 Report

>>7638906
is the first one vampy?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:36 UTC+1 No.7638917 Report

I honestly don't have a problem with people photoshopping themselves to look any way they want in a costume as long as they're honest about it. It's probably going to look kind of weird at best, shitty/scary at worst, but if it makes you happy and you're not lying and insisting it's the real you, who cares?

Essentially, I completely agree with >>7638872
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:42 UTC+1 No.7638928 Report

>>7638912
More of a general thing, there's actually been very few guests who don't fit that description.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:25 UTC+1 No.7639192 Report

If you wanna shoop your face and can do it well and it looks natural, then do it. If you are gonna shoop your face and it looks hella ridiculous, then please don't.
Pic example of second option.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:27 UTC+1 No.7639198 Report

Touch ups are fine. Makeup can only do so much, there might still be some unflattering things about your face by the end of the day. Or you might not even know how to cover up some things, and that's where Photoshop comes in.

But when you're altering your actual face structure and body structure, then that's a little more iffy. I wouldn't do it.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:34 UTC+1 No.7639215 Report

>>7638906
reika? kaname? who is it?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:51 UTC+1 No.7639245 Report

>>7639215
Sounds like Reika
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:58 UTC+1 No.7639266 Report

For Fun: Totally fine, draw the costume on yourself if you want.

For profit: Vampy bit me has a lot of extremely photoshopped pictures but they look cool and make sense for prints. It's just another form of art.

For Competition: Touchups are fine (ex. adjusting lighting, removing a pimple) but major alternations (photoshopping the costume on yourself, manipulating to misrepresent what you created) is bad form. Mind you, any contest judging based on photos alone is more of a popularity thing anyway.

If you're a photographer: Go crazy if you want, they are your own photos. Just make sure to explain your intentions with the cosplayer, they may be insulted if you drastically alter their appearance. Having these pieces in your portfolio can help cosplayers understand what your work is like.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:01 UTC+1 No.7639276 Report

This girl just suddenly gained a huge following on FB because of her Lightning pictures. People actually believe that it's a real photo, not to mention the obvious face shoops on the rest of her lightning pictures are comical, but people are kissing the floor she walks on because she actually looks like Lightning.
Picture on the right is from her twitter.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:16 UTC+1 No.7639306 Report

>>7639276
sauce?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:48 UTC+1 No.7639385 Report

>>7639276
The shoop is strong with this one
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)00:35 UTC+1 No.7639544 Report

>>7639276
damn
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)00:46 UTC+1 No.7639556 Report

>>7638906
this happened a few years ago when Francesca Dani came to my country. I didn't see her, but a friend accidentally walked on her while she was putting her cosplay and he didn't even recognize her until his other friends told him she was Francesca. He was so disappointed. He even said he wasn't hot at all
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:29 UTC+1 No.7639715 Report

>>7639306
kilory on deviantart
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:34 UTC+1 No.7639723 Report

>>7639245
I've seen reika irl before though, and she doesn't look all that different from her pics. She smooths out blemishes and makes her skin better looking but nothing like warping face shape/eye shape
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)04:42 UTC+1 No.7639984 Report

this person must also believe that no magazine covers should be photoshopped either because they're not even real people anymore!!!
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)11:31 UTC+1 No.7640520 Report

>>7639723
was her contouring as horrible as seen from her shooped pics?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)12:23 UTC+1 No.7640580 Report

I'm personally fine with any editing that doesn't completely change the person's body, making him/her unrecognizable.

You have a loose thread showing? I think it's just fine to erase it. Pimples, blemishes and eyebags? Take them away.
I'm even fine with very gently using the liquify tool to put into place something that doesn't look quite right. Small adjustments. I'm not talking about enlarging eyes, breasts and butts, but sometimes just pulling the corner of your lips just a couple millimeters will make the picture all better and help you achieve that expression you aimed for but when you were looking through the pictures, it wasn't as perfect as you wished.
As long as people aren't shooping themselves into alien like creatures, I'm fine with shoops.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:12 UTC+1 No.7641472 Report

>>7639723
are you BLIND OR FUCKING HER?!
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:37 UTC+1 No.7641533 Report

I've shooped a face from one photo where everyone but the one cosplayer looked bad onto another of the same photo except the cosplayer was blinking.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)22:14 UTC+1 No.7641612 Report

I've never understood the problem people have with photoshopping. If someone thinks it's important to look exactly like the character they're cosplaying and can't achieve it otherwise then sure, let them shoop. It's usually pretty easy to tell when a pic is shooped, so I don't feel like it's deceiving in any way either. Some people think that cosplay is all about craftsmanship, others focus more on looking like the character.
I actually prefer trying to look like the character, rather than just being yourself in a costume, whether or not that involves photoshop is everyone's personal choice.
It's alright not to like shoops, but claiming that the people who do photoshop are fake and somehow spend less time on their costume is a shitty thing to do. Everyone can cosplay how they want, time and effort spent does not automatically make someone else a better cosplayer.

Just my two cents.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)22:15 UTC+1 No.7641616 Report

>>7641472
sounds like jelly
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)22:47 UTC+1 No.7641677 Report

>>7641612
tell that to the legion of fanboys and fangirls who praise these people as 'amazing cosplayer'. It's practically cheating, and people are buying into the illusion, thinking that this is how cosplay should be like
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)23:02 UTC+1 No.7641702 Report

>>7641612
>It's alright not to like shoops, but claiming that the people who do photoshop are fake and somehow spend less time on their costume is a shitty thing to do.

But it's usually true. With the power of shoop you don't have to spend as much time to make yourself perfect looking, just snap some pictures perfect your costume and makeup by shooping it on.

Shoop in cosplay does the same thing it does in the rest of life, it gives a less realistic goal that people realistically follow, as well as alters our perception of what beauty is rather than what it can be.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)23:25 UTC+1 No.7641754 Report

I have to admit that I actually began shopping my photos (as in using the liquefy tool) when I saw my friend do it. It's not hard to fall into the mindset because you feel as if its okay because everyone else is doing it.

But that being said building popularity from shopping everything onto a sub par costume is something that I don't agree on.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)23:47 UTC+1 No.7641804 Report

I follow the rule of "if it hasn't been there two weeks ago, I can shoop it." So, dark circles and pimples, but not birthmarks or messing with body proportions.
I'm pretty decent at shooping, but it just feels dirty. I'd never post a photo knowing that it looks nothing like me.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)23:50 UTC+1 No.7641809 Report

>>7639276
The shoop literally looks like a 3D render. How can anyone think this is realy?
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)12:26 UTC+1 No.7642763 Report

I'm much more concerned about people who take credit for cosplays they didn't make and get "omg, your cosplay is so perfect!!" and don't bother to say it was a comission or lent by a friend than people who shoop their pictures, tbh.
I don't really like shoops that completely change the person in the picture but those are pretty obvious most of the time. I'm fine with cleaning up the skin and the costume of imperfections. You'll never look absolutely perfect on pictures, even if it's just your dark eye circles and if your costume has some minor defects, you can always go back to it and try to fix them. It doesn't make you fake imo
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)12:54 UTC+1 No.7642789 Report

>>7641809
That's what I was thinking. It doesn't look real at all.
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Anonymous 06/29/14(Sun)03:45 UTC+1 No.7643771 Report

>>7638769
Post is a fine respectable opinion. Tags reveal jealous pig.
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Anonymous 06/30/14(Mon)14:01 UTC+1 No.7646117 Report

>>7639276
I honestly thought that the left one was an ingame picture.
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Anonymous 07/02/14(Wed)18:01 UTC+1 No.7650812 Report

>>7639276
what the hell
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Anonymous 07/04/14(Fri)14:39 UTC+1 No.7654955 Report

I don't mind photoshop to clear little imperfections, but when you overdo it like some Chinese and Korean cosplayers..
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)13:05 UTC+1 No.7657163 Report

>>7639192
what the fuck is up with her neck
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)14:18 UTC+1 No.7657204 Report

I use shoop on my nose (it's bulbous at the end, and in a way that can't be changed with makeup) and to fine-tune the angles of my face, as well as the usual skin and photo editing. I don't outright say I shoop, but if you ask I'll tell you. I don't see an issue if you inform people, public or no.
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)05:11 UTC+1 No.7658486 Report

>>7638889
>The point is the craftsmanship of it.
Definitely not to have fun. Not the point at all.
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