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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:51 UTC+1 No.5520679 Report

Is this shit a fruit or a vegetable?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:52 UTC+1 No.5520682 Report

A fruit and a vegetable all at once.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:53 UTC+1 No.5520684 Report

Ketchup
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:56 UTC+1 No.5520692 Report

Depends, are you the US Tax Department?

The other one that keeps getting people's jimmies rustled are cucumbers - its cousins in the melon section are considered fruits and the squash/pumpkin section are considered vegetables.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:58 UTC+1 No.5520696 Report

Botanically speaking a fruit produced from angiosperms are a group of ovaries with seeds inside (really watered down definition) so yes, it's a fruit.

In terms of it being a "fruit" like an apple or orange, I still consider it more of a vegetable.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)06:59 UTC+1 No.5520699 Report

Culinary term: Vegetable

Biological term: Fruit

/thread
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:00 UTC+1 No.5520703 Report

>>5520679
its a berry
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:03 UTC+1 No.5520712 Report

It's a fruit, it's the same as any other fruit.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:07 UTC+1 No.5520728 Report

>>5520703
You have swayed me.
>Tomatoes are now berries
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:08 UTC+1 No.5520730 Report

>>5520712
But it isn't sweet like other fruits
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:09 UTC+1 No.5520735 Report

>>5520703
>>5520728
is it a fruit of a vegetable

its a berry!

>berries arent fruit
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:10 UTC+1 No.5520738 Report

>>5520696
>I still consider it more of a vegetable.
why?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:10 UTC+1 No.5520739 Report

>>5520730
probably because you eat unripened, green tomatoes that they spray with co2 to get red.

canned tomatoes are the true flavour of ripe tomatoes and taste delicious and a little bit sweet
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:11 UTC+1 No.5520741 Report

>>5520738
because food wise its used more like a vegetable than a fruit
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:12 UTC+1 No.5520743 Report

>>5520735
Than what is a berry in technical terms?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:12 UTC+1 No.5520744 Report

>>5520738
I believe they meant culinarily speaking
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:54 UTC+1 No.5520850 Report

>>5520741

How is a vegetable "used" compared to fruit? Tomatoes aren't like any vegetable
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)07:55 UTC+1 No.5520852 Report

>>5520850
is this a real question
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:01 UTC+1 No.5520864 Report

>>5520699
this, it's like how rabbits are technically considered poultry in the culinary world, but biologically that would be bullshit
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:02 UTC+1 No.5520865 Report

>>5520864
never head rabbits as poultry. just game
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:19 UTC+1 No.5520887 Report

>>5520852

Yes it is, explain how vegetables are "used" the same way tomatoes are. Do you make a sweet sauce out of lettuce? Do you sun dry your broccoli? There's nothing vegetable about a tomato
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:22 UTC+1 No.5520893 Report

>>5520887
are they commonly used in main courses and entrees, almost always in savory dishes. fuck so are vegetables and guess what most of the time veggies are you contrarian faggot
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:23 UTC+1 No.5520898 Report

>>5520887
How often do you use fruit in a savory dish verses veggie? What about tomatoes?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:45 UTC+1 No.5520940 Report

>>5520893
>>5520898

By your definition, beef is a vegetable
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:57 UTC+1 No.5520956 Report

I don't know why the conversation wondering what it is, went beyond this post...
>>5520696
They are both a fruit and berry botanically speaking.

"The botanical definition of a berry is a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary. Grapes and avocados are two common examples."

"In botany, a fruit is a part of a flowering plant that derives from specific tissues of the flower, one or more ovaries, and in some cases accessory tissues. Fruits are the means by which these plants disseminate seeds. Many of them that bear edible fruits, in particular, have propagated with the movements of humans and animals in a symbiotic relationship as a means for seed dispersal and nutrition, respectively; in fact, humans and many animals have become dependent on fruits as a source of food."
-Source Wikipedia

In a culinary context, it is often used more like a vegetable. It all depends how you're going to use it. Since this is a cooking board the answer is vegetable. In /an/, /sci/ it would be a fruit, a berry.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)08:59 UTC+1 No.5520959 Report

>>5520898
All the time, such as figs with cheese, orange in meat marinades, raisins in minced meat mixes for stuffing, a lot of fruit is used in "savory" dishes.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:02 UTC+1 No.5520965 Report

It's a fruit. So are olives, avocados, peppers, and coconuts.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:16 UTC+1 No.5520981 Report

I call it a vegetable because some french fucks 200 years ago thought of it as a vegetable.

It has nothing to do with reality. It's sort of like a religion except it matters even less because it doesn't pretend to tell us something essential about the human condition.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:26 UTC+1 No.5521000 Report

i started considering them fruit after i started gardening and grew my first tomatoes.

them and peppers, cucumbers, melons, squash.

botanical definitions became more important than culinary definitions.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:28 UTC+1 No.5521007 Report

>>5520981
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:30 UTC+1 No.5521010 Report

>>5521007
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)09:37 UTC+1 No.5521016 Report

>>5520865
that's what I thought too, but apparently they're recognized as a poultry item for a shit ton of reasons that I can't remember
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)11:42 UTC+1 No.5521141 Report

>>5520699
Sexual term: ballgag.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)11:43 UTC+1 No.5521142 Report

>>5520864
>>5520865
Rabbits are friends, not food!
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)12:00 UTC+1 No.5521166 Report

>>5521142

Rabbits are a fantastic animal. Fuzzy, cute, got some attitude, cuts your grass and super delicious.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)12:06 UTC+1 No.5521176 Report

>>5521142
Shut up they are delicious
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)12:20 UTC+1 No.5521204 Report

>>5520679
There was a late 1890s Supreme Court decision on whether tomato was a fruit or vegetable.

It made it that far because some sneaky guy was importing tomatoes and the taxes (or teriffs or whatever) were different if you were importing a fruit or vegetable. The guy argued that tomato was a fruit, but the government said it was taxed as a vegetable and has always been taxed as a vegetable. So it made it to the supreme court.

And the court ruled that it was indeed a fruit, but for the purposes of taxes, the government considered it a vegetable
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)12:22 UTC+1 No.5521208 Report

>>5521204
One on the right looks like allie haze
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)12:26 UTC+1 No.5521212 Report

>>5521208
Lohan is probably more of a slut though.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)13:14 UTC+1 No.5521255 Report

>>5521142
My father lived like a king in communist Poland in the 80s because he had a house outside the city with a big garden, he could grow his own shit and more importantly he could have space for rabbits which were in high demand due to scarcity of meat. He could trade rabbit meat for all sorts of goods and favours. Rabbits are friends and food.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)13:31 UTC+1 No.5521268 Report

>Is this shit a fruit or a vegetable?

Yes
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)03:08 UTC+1 No.5523197 Report

>>5521204
Since its a fruit, I am going to start putting them in my fruit salad.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)06:42 UTC+1 No.5523882 Report

copy pasta:


>potato chips
Yes, it is made from a vegetable. There are two types of potato chips. There is a (usually) cold potato chip, also called a potato crisp, which is made from a very thin slice of potato. There are also hot potato chips, also called a fries, which are made from strips of potato.
>popcorn
popcorn is a fruit because corn is a fruit. The botanical definition of fruit is: "The flowering, ripened ovary of a plant that contains seeds". Corn definitely falls into this category, as corn kernels ARE seeds. As a matter of fact, ALL grains are botanical fruits. A lot of botanically fruits are not even edible and some are poisonous.

So, since popcorn are seeds, they are essentially a component of fruit (as all seeds are).

The word "vegetable" does not have a scientific definition. Botanists do not use the word because it is not part of their nomenclature. Broccoli, carrots, celery, potatoes, lettuce.... or anything else you can think of that is normally considered to be a vegetable, are NOT categorized as vegetables in botany.

The term "vegetable" is a generic, culinary term. It simply means "an edible, savory plant". The word "fruit" also has generic, culinary definition. A fruit is a sweet, edible, fleshy structure from a plant.

A chef does not typically use corn (or popcorn) in sweet dishes. So, a chef considers popcorn to be a vegetable. Same with tomatoes, which are considered to be vegetables in the culinary world. Rhubarb and pumpkin are used in both sweet and savory dishes, so a chef considers these to be both fruits and vegetables.

Popcorn can be considered both a fruit and a vegetable, depending on your perspective.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)06:47 UTC+1 No.5523889 Report

>>5523882

"Fruit" and "vegetable" can both be identified by botanic definitions though. Fruit is, like you said, ovary of the plant, whereas a vegetable is a plant itself. A tomato is a fruit, if the plant the tomato grew from were edible then the tomato plant would be a vegetable. The people who make up categories for these things don't have any reasoning for why they put something in one category, it's just "I feel like it's a vegetable"
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)06:51 UTC+1 No.5523890 Report

vegetable
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)06:52 UTC+1 No.5523891 Report

fruit
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)06:52 UTC+1 No.5523893 Report

>>5523891
>>5523890
samefag
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)08:04 UTC+1 No.5524004 Report

>>5523889
no you idiot it's not a fruit because it's not sweet enough to be a fruit.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)08:16 UTC+1 No.5524020 Report

http://youtu.be/OTqssZVc-c8
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)08:24 UTC+1 No.5524041 Report

>>5520679
Did you know peanuts are a fruit? So is wheat.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)09:43 UTC+1 No.5524200 Report

>>5520743
Fruit produced from a single ovary. This includes avocados, pumpkin, watermelon, oranges. But excludes (ironically) strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)09:48 UTC+1 No.5524208 Report

>>5524004
>Fruits have to be sweet
Then what is a lemon?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)10:27 UTC+1 No.5524253 Report

>>5521142
/an/, pls.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)10:31 UTC+1 No.5524256 Report

It's vegetation.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)11:01 UTC+1 No.5524304 Report

>>5524208
A fruit.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)17:51 UTC+1 No.5524912 Report

>>5521142
I really want to breed rabbits just for its meat. I haven't tasted rabbit meat though.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)18:58 UTC+1 No.5525040 Report

Will the answer to this question affect how you prepare it, OP?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)21:14 UTC+1 No.5525362 Report

>>5524912
its good, really good in soups and stews, people talk about bunny burgers but i have never had one, would like to tho.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)21:17 UTC+1 No.5525368 Report

depends how you stack them
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)21:48 UTC+1 No.5525421 Report

If something is used like a vegetable that doesn't make it a vegetable

If x is x, and you find x in a pile of y, x is still x.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)21:53 UTC+1 No.5525435 Report

*spins propeller*
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