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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)09:43 UTC+1 No.5498664 Report

What are the basic fundamentals/components of a Japanese Diet?

I want to live longer and healthier.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)09:46 UTC+1 No.5498670 Report

Nothing special about it honestly. Huge amounts of basically empty white rice, fair amount of processed foods. But they don't eat to excess and don't load everything with sugar, plus they have better access to health care and make wiser choices in general than Americans.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)09:48 UTC+1 No.5498676 Report

>>5498670
Also, it's probably fair to point out that they have different cultural perceptions about end of life care; grandparents more frequently live with someone in the family, which keeps them emotionally engaged and socially active and makes it easier to make doctor's visits etc.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)09:49 UTC+1 No.5498679 Report

>>5498670
>But they don't eat to excess

bingo

>make wiser choices in general

bingoooo
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:02 UTC+1 No.5498695 Report

>>5498664
Natto & green tea.
There was that chart somewhere of the diet of Okinawas somewhere comparing to regular diet.

Also they didnt eat in excess. Modestly.

I dont care for living longer, just retaining youth longer. Age of pension applicability is rising and people hate hiring ancient looking people, and the unfit.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:03 UTC+1 No.5498696 Report

>>5498670
carbs make you fat
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:06 UTC+1 No.5498699 Report

>>5498676
>cultural differences
plays a bigger role than many would expect.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:06 UTC+1 No.5498701 Report

eat right and exercise, nigga. it's not a uniquely japanese concept.

look at this shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPS9h8mGcU

they've been broadcasting that on public radio every morning since 1951.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:07 UTC+1 No.5498702 Report

>>5498695
Eat lots of veggies, use moisturizer and sunblock. Retinol is the only clinically proven substance to reduce and prevent wrinkles, but it's deactivated by UV, so only bother with creams that you wear overnight.

>>5498696
Not on their own, and they don't eat extravagant amounts of white rice. But it is basically wasted calories if you're some kind of person who is obsessed with min/maxing nutrition like it's an RPG.

Personally I still enjoy the odd batch of homemade sushi rice. I normally lean on short grain brown rice though.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:10 UTC+1 No.5498704 Report

Op, if you really want to live longer and healthier, than the most important thing for you to start consuming is massive amounts of semen. It's extremely nutritious, and gathering it provides valuable exercise. This is the real secret to longevity.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:12 UTC+1 No.5498707 Report

>>5498699
Yep. Shifting gears here, one of the things France gets unquestionable right is their relationship with food. Not even cooking, although they're pretty handy with it, but the way that they don't really snack and instead sit down and take their time to eat, often making it a social occasion with family and friends.

It's healthy in more ways than just nutrition. It's hugely beneficial towards social cohesion and keeping the children socially engaged, and pays off in terms of their success at school, self-esteem, and just so many other ways that I could never even list off the top of my head.

Sit down and eat with your parents OP, it might just cure your NEETdom.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:13 UTC+1 No.5498708 Report

>>5498702
I never said just eat natto & green tea... just the difference to what may make you more long lived
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:16 UTC+1 No.5498710 Report

>>5498701
thatll just tear you up
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:20 UTC+1 No.5498718 Report

If you're talking about the Japanese people that live for 100+ years most of them come from the small remote villages where the diet is mostly freshly caught fish, and I remember one old lady telling me to eat at least one onion a day.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:30 UTC+1 No.5498728 Report

White rice and cold pickled root vegetables.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:38 UTC+1 No.5498732 Report

>>5498710
those are regular ass stretches, bruh. if that'd tear you up then you belong in the physiotherapy wing of a hospital.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:39 UTC+1 No.5498733 Report

>>5498718
I wonder if i should eat more ginger and seaweed. I already eat a decent ratio of fish.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:40 UTC+1 No.5498736 Report

Why the fuck would you want to extend your life that far? All of your friends are dead. All of your family that you grew up is dead. Your family probably fucking hates you for being alive. Everything you loved as a kid is gone or bastardized forever.

Fuck that shit.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:42 UTC+1 No.5498737 Report

>>5498736

well, you're going to die anyway. eventually.

why not find value in being completely alone?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:43 UTC+1 No.5498738 Report

>>5498736

also

>Your family probably fucking hates you for being alive

that's just a ridiculous thought!
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:43 UTC+1 No.5498739 Report

>>5498670
>don't load everything with sugar
japanese people put quite a bit of sugar into regular food (not dessert)
their main courses are sweeter than most
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:44 UTC+1 No.5498740 Report

>>5498736
you deserve the lifetime given to you anon, some of us actually enjoy life
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:46 UTC+1 No.5498741 Report

>>5498736
yeah, but by then a proper translation of Monogatari Series 2nd Season would be out so it'd be worth it.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:49 UTC+1 No.5498743 Report

>>5498732
>fast moving stretches
why not just crossfit
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:50 UTC+1 No.5498745 Report

>>5498733
if you enjoy it, do it.
add some mediterranean to your diet while youre at it
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:51 UTC+1 No.5498749 Report

>>5498701
god rajio taiso is so fucking creepy.

plus the fact that they broadcast this kind of shit INTO YOUR HOUSE via those wall-hanging announcement systems.

I'd rather live in a fat society where I don't have the town hall passive-aggressively telling me when to get up, when to eat my goddamn lunch, and when to go to bed.

But the fact that Japanese people willingly install them and are happy about this marks why they function so much better as a society. They WANT to fit in like this, and being skinny is part of fitting in.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:55 UTC+1 No.5498752 Report

>>5498739
let's not forget things with so much salt that they taste like seawater.

the type of japanese food that people post online is NOT what they eat in their homes. Just like americunts don't actually eat lasagna and burgers every night. Though I'd say that portrayals of american food actually come closer to "home cooking" than portrayals of Japanese food.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:56 UTC+1 No.5498755 Report

>>5498752
what do they eat then?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:59 UTC+1 No.5498758 Report

>>5498743
because crossfit is retarded.

>>5498749
>plus the fact that they broadcast this kind of shit INTO YOUR HOUSE via those wall-hanging announcement systems.
what?
it's an NHK broadcast. public radio and television, like PBS or BBC.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)12:57 UTC+1 No.5498837 Report

>>5498752
>the type of japanese food that people post online is NOT what they eat in their homes
I'm not sure, there are only so many ways of eating gohan desu.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)13:07 UTC+1 No.5498850 Report

>>5498743
>why not just crossfit

Ewwwww.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)13:48 UTC+1 No.5498869 Report

>>5498749

I agree that having a mass media device pumping garbage into your living room is creepy, but why are you singling out Japan?

If you have a television at all, you have no room to talk.

For the record I do not own a television, but I'll bet you do. Fat society bro.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)15:53 UTC+1 No.5499020 Report

>>5498664
Studies have proved that populations that eat fish regularly live longer
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:17 UTC+1 No.5499041 Report

>>5498718
The Okinawan diet consist of low-fat, low-salt foods, such as fish, tofu, and seaweed. Okinawans are known for their longevity. Individuals live longer on this Japanese island than anywhere else in the world. Five times as many Okinawans live to be 100 as in the rest of Japan, and the Japanese are already the longest-lived ethnic group of them all.[18] There are 34.7 centenarians for every 100,000 inhabitants, which is the highest ratio worldwide. The possible explanations to this fact is the diet, low-stress lifestyle, caring community, activity, and spirituality of the inhabitants of the island.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:19 UTC+1 No.5499044 Report

>>5498869
if your television turned itself on and started playing music at 7am to passive-aggressively keep anyone from being "anti-social" by keeping a different schedule.... then you'd have a point.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:21 UTC+1 No.5499045 Report

>>5499041
It's also of note that their staple starch is a sweet potato with bright purple flesh that's expensive as fuark (In the US, not in Okinawa obviously) but really tasty.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:24 UTC+1 No.5499051 Report

>>5499045
>staple starch is a sweet potato

>not rice
nigga you even trying
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:25 UTC+1 No.5499052 Report

>>5499045
I've never even seen purple flesh sweet potatoes before. I fucking love orange flesh ones, how do they compare? Like how white flesh has a more mild creamier taste than orange.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:27 UTC+1 No.5499054 Report

>>5499051
Okinawa eats a lot less rice than the rest of Japan and much more sweet potato. This could be also part of why they tend to live longer than the rest of the Japanese.

>>5499052
I love them, in my experience there's a slight berry taste to them.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:28 UTC+1 No.5499056 Report

>>5499044
>what is an alarm clock

Is there some law that says Japanese people have to have one of these inside their home? Last time I spent any extended time in Japan I was a little kid and I hadn't developed all these edgy feelings.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:30 UTC+1 No.5499059 Report

>>5499054
oh I confused osaka with okinawa.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:31 UTC+1 No.5499060 Report

>>5499041
Also avoid those fad diets that promise to make you live longer than any other diet.

I mean, if it haven't been tested for hundreds of years how can they be so sure that it really makes people live for one hundred of years?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:35 UTC+1 No.5499062 Report

>>5498670
japs put sugar in savory things.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:38 UTC+1 No.5499065 Report

>>5499045
My grandfather is from Okinawa but spent most of his life in west. Despite his alcohol abuse and smoking historic he lived to 90 with no hypertension, cardiac or other health issues. He ended up dying by lung cancer (seems like no diet can protect you from smoking)

Sweet potato wasn't our staple diet, rice was.
I think the diet helps but people tend to ignore the low-stress lifestyle, caring community, activity, and spirituality part. Stress and loneliness kill way more than people account for.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:40 UTC+1 No.5499067 Report

>>5499062
The reason why I dislike Japanese curry. Onions and carrots (and maybe some apple) are enough to sweeten it. No need to make it sweeter!
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:49 UTC+1 No.5499073 Report

>>5498664
Attacking others through sneak attacks, rape, and pillage?
That's your J diet.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)16:58 UTC+1 No.5499084 Report

>>5499073
Tested and approved way to live forever!
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:11 UTC+1 No.5499097 Report

>>5498696
Eating more calories than you expend makes you fat.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:13 UTC+1 No.5499100 Report

>>5499097

but anon, that sounds complicated. I want to blame all of my problems on just one thing, not my habits. So it's carbs. carbs are the problem.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:15 UTC+1 No.5499102 Report

>>5498696
So just eat protein and fat!

OR, you could get up and exercise you lazy fuck! I was healthier when I was in Japan eating a lot of complex carbs and exercising on a daily basis.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:19 UTC+1 No.5499109 Report

>>5498679
You are amazing for this reference,
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:21 UTC+1 No.5499111 Report

>>5499097
>>5499100
Both are ignorant simplistic views that don't take into account nutrient digestion and absorption, interactions and food effects in the body.

Low calorie diets tells your body that food is scarce. So to keep you alive during scarce food times it will do its best to make you eat at any chance and store all the fat it can.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:24 UTC+1 No.5499113 Report

>>5499111

Eating low calorie diets lowers your metabolism but it's not that dramatic, it's not like eating a low calorie diet is going to make you fat.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:27 UTC+1 No.5499119 Report

>>5499113
Them problem is when the diet ends. You get all your weight back with interest. It is a survival mechanism.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:27 UTC+1 No.5499120 Report

>>5499111
people always overblow the effects of 'starvation mode' lol
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:29 UTC+1 No.5499126 Report

>>5499120
People never study physiology and think they know everything they need to know about nutrition by reading tables and labels.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)17:40 UTC+1 No.5499137 Report

>>5499126
Sounds like you just want to justify your worthless degree.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:03 UTC+1 No.5499167 Report

>>5499041
Completely impossible there could be a genetic component, of course.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:09 UTC+1 No.5499180 Report

>>5499137
Do you have idea on how ignorant you sound?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:10 UTC+1 No.5499183 Report

>>5499111
Hence the less than you expend part. Go run fatty.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:10 UTC+1 No.5499184 Report

>>5499167
Just check Japanese populations on western diet. They get fat and heart disease like all other fat westerns.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:12 UTC+1 No.5499186 Report

>>5499184
Exactly. That's what makes the chance of any genetic component whatsoever completely impossible. This is how good science is done, of course.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:50 UTC+1 No.5499250 Report

>>5499186
Genetically speaking the only population with a strong link between genes and longevity I can remember are the inuit. Even with low heart disease and other stuff they don't have a huge longevity (but western diet do give them obesity, hypertension and heart disease so it is definitely worse for them too)
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:56 UTC+1 No.5499269 Report

>>5499056
No, it doesn't turn it's self on.
It's a very good way to keep your children and family active without upsetting them.
It's a very motivating start of the day for some people.

Japan isn't THAT much different from some European places...
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:03 UTC+1 No.5499287 Report

>>5499186
you're probably a fat fucks who blames his genes on his obesity
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:03 UTC+1 No.5499290 Report

Okinawa is definitely the province to take diet advice from. Very little meat/dairy, lots of healthy plant foods. Their sweet potato isn't the same as our orange one though. The purple pigment in their sweet potatoes is the same as what you find in blueberries; phytochemicals called anthocyanins that act as powerful antioxidants and also can prevent certain cancers and prevent cognitive decline in old age. Orange sweet potatoes are great too, just not AS good
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:10 UTC+1 No.5499302 Report

>>5499250
Aren't Mediterranean on the top somewhere?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:30 UTC+1 No.5499336 Report

>>5499020

Most populations in the world eat fish though
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:46 UTC+1 No.5499370 Report

>>5498664
The Japanese diet atleast for people I know over 25 is

Breakfast
>Natto and rice
or
>Ham and an egg

Lunch
>Instant noodles
>Onigiri of some kind
or
>Rice with tendon, chicken, or fish

Dinner
>Whatever you want but not a lot of it
>Beer, if its the weekend drink enough to make yourself pass out
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:52 UTC+1 No.5499381 Report

they dont eat cheese. they also eat a great diversity of things but all in small portions, so its a good balance. lots of seafood and rice.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:57 UTC+1 No.5499390 Report

>>5499381
You'll be hard pressed to find anyone under 50 that doesn't eat cheese atleast once a week
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:07 UTC+1 No.5499405 Report

>>5499370
>tendon
what
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:13 UTC+1 No.5499409 Report

>>5499405
what is google
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:19 UTC+1 No.5499418 Report

>>5499302
Yes, both Japanese and Mediterranean diet seems to have a positive effect on longevity, probably fish is one of the factors.

There was an extensive study where they compared the mortality rate of different diets: people who eat meat often, occasional meat eaters, fish eaters, vegetarians and vegans. The group with highest longevity was the fish eaters followed by occasional meat eaters and vegetarians with meat eaters and vegans tied in last.

Turned out that the said benefits in longevity usually attributed to vegans don't come from veganism but instead comes from other healthy habits adopted by these groups like stop smoking, exercise, etc.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:20 UTC+1 No.5499419 Report

>>5499409
Eating rice with tendon is like eating pasta with mac and cheese.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:21 UTC+1 No.5499421 Report

>>5499409
shove it up your ass
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:22 UTC+1 No.5499423 Report

>>5499390
>>5499381
Japanese do like cheese but don't eat much. You don't get cheap cheese there as you find in western countries.

My grandma don't like cheese. It is not something that she was used to when she was little so now it makes her gag.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:22 UTC+1 No.5499424 Report

>>5499419
>Implying people don't get extra rice out here
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:31 UTC+1 No.5499438 Report

>>5499370
>tendon
When you said it I thought you were talking about this (see pic) and not tenpura donburi.

As much as I know tendon, gyudon, etc already have rice included so "rice with tendon" sounds strange.

Also these people seems to have pretty shitty diets. It is not hard to get a good meal in Japan, even convenience store meals are surprisingly good there.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:06 UTC+1 No.5500051 Report

>>5498664
>What are the basic fundamentals/components of a Japanese Diet?

Lots of social stigma against fatties.

In Japan even being a little bit over weight is completely unacceptable and people don't over eat due to that.

A western diet is fine, just cut out sugar and limit alcohol.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:21 UTC+1 No.5500080 Report

>>5500051
Funny how much they love Sumo
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:23 UTC+1 No.5500081 Report

>>5499418

No matter the diet, the thing that matters most is the quantity and quality of plant foods. A "fish eater" can eat 3 ounces of fish a week and have an otherwise plant-based diet full of whole grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables while you can call someone a vegan who eats nothing but white bread, oil, and soy meat. Other people brought up the centinarians of Okinawa, but if you look at their diet, they're practically vegan. 15 grams (half an ounce) of fish a day isn't what allows them to live so long, it's the reliance on sweet potato for the majority of their calories and a healthy intake of green and yellow vegetables.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:28 UTC+1 No.5500090 Report

>>5500081
How about inuits? Healthy hearts, no hypertension and almost no vegetables at all and their not so high lifespan was proved to be due to genetic factors, not diet. They get all the western people problems if they eat western diet too.

Also
>almost vegan
>Eats fish, pork, chicken, crustaceans, mollusks...

So I'm almost vegetarian because I eat more meat than an almost vegan?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:35 UTC+1 No.5500102 Report

>>5500090

The difference is sugar.

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Yes the video is over an hour, some things cannot be explained in sound bites.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:35 UTC+1 No.5500103 Report

>>5500090

The Inuit are not, and never were, a healthy group of people

http://plantpositive.squarespace.com/blog/2012/3/25/tpns-27-28-the-eskimo-model.html

If your diet is 98% plant foods, you may as well consider yourself vegan (though probably not in an ethical sense)
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:36 UTC+1 No.5500107 Report

>>5500102

>obese, uneducated man claiming he knows what causes obesity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vybw1PpO2GY
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:37 UTC+1 No.5500109 Report

>>5499438
eating tendon wouldn't hurt either, all that collagen
best part, it's damn delicious
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:38 UTC+1 No.5500113 Report

>>5500103
there is a difference between eating a vegan diet and being a vegan
Being a vegan is being those annoying loudmouthed cunts who bitch at everyone who ever thinks of eating an egg or some cheese
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:40 UTC+1 No.5500119 Report

>>5500113

That's why the term "plant-based diet" is becoming more popular
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:46 UTC+1 No.5500134 Report

>>5500103
>PLANTPOSITIVE
>Making the Case for Plant-Based Nutrition

I have the impression your source might be biased.

Here, have some scientific article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8871682

>>5500119
Every diet I know besides Inuit diet is made mostly by plants.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:49 UTC+1 No.5500139 Report

>>5500134
>>5500103
Another scientific study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2736000

And since you probably never had scientific education here is something easier to read.
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:50 UTC+1 No.5500141 Report

>>5500134

>smokingisbad.com
>exerciseisgood.com
>CLEARLY THEY'RE BIASED

The guy doing these videos came to his conclusion because it's what the majority of scientific data, including the data he's presenting, leads to.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:51 UTC+1 No.5500143 Report

>>5500139

Dyerberg, the guy who wrote that article, is also mentioned in the plantpositive video.

>To whatever extent they may have been protected from heart attacks, Bang and Dyerberg said it was likely because of the extremely high levels of omega-3 fatty acids they consumed. They thought the price for this protection was their higher rate of stroke, which Cordain fails to mention.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:55 UTC+1 No.5500151 Report

>>5500141
You are falling in the pseudoscience trap.
State things that the readers would agree with and them make any conclusion you want.

Sodium is a very reactive metal capable of bursting in flames in contact to water, chlorine is a highly toxic substance capable to kill you if inhaled.
Therefore sodium chlorine is extremely dangerous and you should never get near it.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)00:58 UTC+1 No.5500159 Report

>>5500151

Your example is different in that it has no support. If you were to present evidence that sodium chlorine was extremely dangerous, you would be justified in saying that. The guy in the video is proving everything he says.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:00 UTC+1 No.5500167 Report

>>5500080
Sumo wrestlers are an exception.
The general lifestyle of a sumo wrestler is very strict actually
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:04 UTC+1 No.5500178 Report

>>5500167
Cause and effect.
Do they don't have fatties because they don't like fatties or do they don't have many fatties so the few fatties stand out and since their culture valorizes harmony standing out seems like a bad thing.

Anyway obesity is rising in Japan too thanks to western diet.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:05 UTC+1 No.5500183 Report

>>5500159
Fine, I will look for the original scientific data supporting your side latter and have a look at what it says.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:06 UTC+1 No.5500185 Report

>>5500134

http://www.plantpositive.com/blog/2012/3/26/vegan-propaganda.html

Guy's response to people claiming bias and propaganda
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:10 UTC+1 No.5500196 Report

>>5500178
either I am high as fuck.
or YOU are high as fuck.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:11 UTC+1 No.5500199 Report

>>5500185
I don't resort to blogs or youtube videos as scientific sources. You don't need to be peer review to make a blog post.

It will be easier if you offered links to the studies he base his arguments instead.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:12 UTC+1 No.5500202 Report

>>5500196
or WE are on 4chan.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:13 UTC+1 No.5500205 Report

>>5500199

The articles are clearly visible throughout the presentation. If you want to ignore contradictory data for arbitrary reasons, you're just forfeiting your opinion
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:15 UTC+1 No.5500212 Report

>>5500202
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:19 UTC+1 No.5500221 Report

>>5500205
Just give me the links so I can read the originals dude. Nowadays scientific data is available online and reading the article is more accurate than reading what some guy understood about the article.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:20 UTC+1 No.5500225 Report

>>5500178
They don't have fatties because they hate fatties AND because there are so few fatties they stand out like a sore thumb so you have girls who are American size 2 complaining about how they need to lose weight, because they are starting to stand out.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:20 UTC+1 No.5500226 Report

>>5500212
Exactly!
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:26 UTC+1 No.5500247 Report

>>5498736
Check out the movie "She."
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:29 UTC+1 No.5500255 Report

>>5499065
That spirituality meant so much when they sneak attacked the USA at Pearl Harbor.

Piss off with the bullshit.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:32 UTC+1 No.5500264 Report

>>5500225
But since there are fetishists everywhere wouldn't a fat girl be rare and valuable?
http://youtu.be/OvswAzb7_t8
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:33 UTC+1 No.5500268 Report

>>5499184
Good. Less of them to sneak attack the USA.
Pardon me while I order a pizza!
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:33 UTC+1 No.5500272 Report

>>5498736
I think machines will surpass humans in future. I want to see that.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:34 UTC+1 No.5500277 Report

>>5499044
What on earth makes you think Japanese TV's do that? Because they don't.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:35 UTC+1 No.5500279 Report

>>5500268
The ones on western diet usually are the ones raised in west.

Proportionally you see much more fat Japanese people around here than in Japan.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:36 UTC+1 No.5500284 Report

>>5500264
No fat girl would be fat and no one would want that.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:36 UTC+1 No.5500286 Report

>>5500277
Schizophrenia.

>but I swear that the TV turned on by itself and was talking to me!
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:46 UTC+1 No.5500306 Report

>>5500284
I dunno, I know at least one Japanese guy into meaty girls, he is married to my cousin's aunt.

Also e-hentai have a lot of material under the tag bbw
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:47 UTC+1 No.5500310 Report

>>5500306

meaty =/= fatty
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:48 UTC+1 No.5500312 Report

>>5500306
Does he live in Japan or America? People who leave their country usually are a little bit different.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:55 UTC+1 No.5500325 Report

>>5500310
In his case he was into fatty. I also found fat porn in my uncle's computer too. But he was raised in west so I can't use him as an example of Japanese guy.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)01:57 UTC+1 No.5500332 Report

>>5500312
He lives in Japan, my cousin's aunt was raised in west but went to Japan to work and ended up marring him. She is fatty and ditzy.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:00 UTC+1 No.5500338 Report

>>5500325
>>5500332
Just to clarify, we have two fat lovers here. One 100% Japanese and one raised in west. None of them are directly related to me, the 100% is the one who married the fatty, the one raised in west married my aunt who is not fatty but not slim either.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:17 UTC+1 No.5500367 Report

>>5499119
>thinking a diet "ends"
Dieting is all about lifestyle changes. Even when you transition from losing weight to maintenance, you should be eating less than you were and you should do the transition slowly. The only weight you should gain is the weight of the excess food in your digestive tract.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:24 UTC+1 No.5500392 Report

>>5500306
Just because the shota fucker has big tits doesn't make her a fatty.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:35 UTC+1 No.5500420 Report

Okinawans live the longest in Japan

Hari Hachi Bu: its basically calorie restriction; they eat large amounts of pork, like a lot and not once a month like some fucking books say, nah -often-

There is also the eating of kelp large amounts and surprisingly a lack of fish.

Sweet potatoes are claimed to help but like honestly it was a food that broke a major famine and as people know child born from periods during famine live longer and have less illnesses if they aren't dealing with malnutrition/malaria/viruses after birth.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:39 UTC+1 No.5500434 Report

>>5500392
Oh, that girl cosplaying also have a nice plumply belly. I just couldn't post the pictures showing her delicious lard because it was too NSFW for this board.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:39 UTC+1 No.5500435 Report

>>5500420
>child born from periods during famine live longer and have less illnesses

That's the exact opposite of the Dutch famine study conclusions.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:43 UTC+1 No.5500448 Report

>>5500420
Yes, they eat a lot of pork. My grandfather used to love bacon (although they prepare it with soy sauce instead of making crispy bacon).

Fish were not as common as In Japan but I'm not sure how much of it was western influence or real Okinawan culture.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:44 UTC+1 No.5500450 Report

>rice
>fish
>ginger
>noodles
>soy sauce
>kelp
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:44 UTC+1 No.5500451 Report

>>5500420
It would probably be helpful to explain what "hara hachibu" means. It literally means 80% stomach, meaning you eat to 80% fullness. But this ideology isn't unique to Okinawa; it's used throughout Japan.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:53 UTC+1 No.5500474 Report

>>5500420
>Implying pork is bad.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)02:56 UTC+1 No.5500483 Report

>>5500448
By the way, a lot is not the same as a lot means for others. A lot I mean every week and not that they overeat it.

They used to more eat bacon than me but in a single meal I can eat more pork than they eat in a week. I just don't eat pork every week. They ate more rice than me though.
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Smith the CIA Agent 06/08/14(Sun)03:11 UTC+1 No.5500529 Report

>>5500225
>>5500178
Not claiming to be an expert on this but I wonder it's also a cultural perception on the causes of being fat.

The rise in trying to justify obesity's cause as purely genetic is much more a Western (American/European) concept than an Asian one. The Asian (with particular reference to the South-China and East Asia) is that while genetics may influence who you are, it is ultimately still in your control. Being genetically more prone to becoming doesn't give you a free pass to let you become fat, it just means that you need to try harder to maintain your body.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:15 UTC+1 No.5500543 Report

>>5498664
that guy look comfy as fuck.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:18 UTC+1 No.5500557 Report

>>5500529
Also the ones in west blaming genetics are mostly just finding excuses. Obesity epidemic is a very recent thing so it is more related to changes in lifestyle than genes.

Like: Your great grandfathers weren't land-whales, do you want me to believe that this gene popped up in the last 50 years all over America out of nowhere?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:42 UTC+1 No.5500645 Report

>>5500277
it's not the TV. It's a community announcement system run by city hall.

Wow, I can't find ANY mention of it online. I'll have to take a picture of it next time I'm in a house that has one.

At 7am and 9pm, they broadcast music through the whole town. At lunchtime they have announcements. If there's an "emergency" (someone's house caught fire 12 miles away) there is a loud as fuck alarm.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:43 UTC+1 No.5500657 Report

>>5500645
I know they have speakers throughout town, but I've never seen one in a private household.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:45 UTC+1 No.5500670 Report

>>5498664

Radiation
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)03:46 UTC+1 No.5500672 Report

>>5500645
Maybe this is something specific to your town... Or you are crazy.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)04:14 UTC+1 No.5500770 Report

>>5500670
Radiation gives you atomic rays, not longevity.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)04:21 UTC+1 No.5500795 Report

>>5498696
I know that people generally (widely) don't like to talk about or see them, but how do you explain pic related if carbs make you fat? Especially considering they don't burn off more calories than they eat (3500+).
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)04:22 UTC+1 No.5500806 Report

>>5500795
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)04:35 UTC+1 No.5500851 Report

>>5500795

Or the entirety of Asia and Africa. Everywhere in the world that has a high carb and low fat consumption, you find the skinniest people on the planet
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MEESTER SMEETH 06/08/14(Sun)04:37 UTC+1 No.5500857 Report

>>5500770
Somehow it makes me want to eat train cars
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)04:44 UTC+1 No.5500871 Report

>>5500857
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)09:55 UTC+1 No.5501477 Report

>>5500806
Aahh, Freelee and Durianrider. Great people, adorable couple.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)10:17 UTC+1 No.5501509 Report

>>5498701
Is this what the IJN and the IJA did before pearl harbour and the invasion of nanjing?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)10:20 UTC+1 No.5501511 Report

>>5501509
no, that's a group of highschool students warming up before a sports festival.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)10:33 UTC+1 No.5501534 Report

>>5500871
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)10:41 UTC+1 No.5501546 Report

Op here, What the fuck happened in this thread?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)10:44 UTC+1 No.5501550 Report

>>5501511
Cheerleader tits or it didn't happen
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:04 UTC+1 No.5501576 Report

>>5501550
cheerleaders are dudes in japan.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:08 UTC+1 No.5501580 Report

>>5501576
what a messed up place that is
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:15 UTC+1 No.5501582 Report

>>5501576
I forgot the pic, I'm off to a good start on a beautiful Monday morning.

This chick makes me want to be a cheerleader!
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Tongue my anus 06/08/14(Sun)11:26 UTC+1 No.5501589 Report

>>5501582
Hayden Panitierre
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:36 UTC+1 No.5501597 Report

>>5501589
Sunday morning, I know.
But you're wrong on the spelling.
It's Hayden Panettiere.

Maybe google and imdb are both wrong?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:44 UTC+1 No.5501609 Report

>>5500286
The dog told me to do it!
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)14:38 UTC+1 No.5501854 Report

>>5498664

Lean meats and lots and lots of vegetables. Soy too.

Tokyo homeless are the best homeless.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)17:40 UTC+1 No.5502166 Report

>>5498670
>better access to health care
They really don't. In the U.S., if you have cancer, the doctor will at least tell you. In Japan, the doctor will consider the cost to the national health system and your likelihood of survival, and may refuse even to tell you about the cancer.

Not joking, they let a friend's mother die. She didn't even know why she was so sick until she went to Singapore to get a real medical opinion.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)17:56 UTC+1 No.5502195 Report

>>5498664
>trusting asians.
>wanting to live like asians

Pls stop.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)18:23 UTC+1 No.5502231 Report

>>5502166
that's a pretty common thing in the east.

you put a russian in an american hospital and tell him he's going to die, he'll be furious at you for telling him and making him worry about his last days.
they prefer that "ignorance is bliss" thing on the whole.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)18:24 UTC+1 No.5502236 Report

>>5501576
Wut?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)18:28 UTC+1 No.5502244 Report

>>5502195
nips aren't part of the asian continent
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)19:01 UTC+1 No.5502343 Report

>>5499045
I've never seen this in any of my animes
I call bullshit
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)19:03 UTC+1 No.5502351 Report

>>5502343
Its Okinawan food. Apparently it just taste like sweet potatoes
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Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)08:15 UTC+1 No.5503424 Report

>>5499045
purple yam is cheap in southern california
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Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)08:55 UTC+1 No.5503486 Report

They have their own bacteria culture that their intestines are more used to than europe/murrica.

They can consume lots of soya everyday for their whole life without a problem, if you did it you would probably get some kind of cancer after 10-15 years.

Find a way to work with the food within your own food culture, instead of being a plebian who thinks japanese food is healthier than our own, stop going to fast food places is a good start.
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