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hey guys, I want to build a...
Anonymous 05/07/14(Wed)23:58 UTC+1 No.635448 Report

hey guys, I want to build a shed in my backyard.

Now I can select between 2x4s from freshly cut trees, or from wood which has been lying around some time so it's rather dry. But those cost more than twice as much.

I know that fresh wood tends to twist, but would it really do that when plywood panels are screwed onto those from the inside and outside?
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)00:16 UTC+1 No.635456 Report

>>635448
>plywood will be screwed on from both sides
you make it sound like plywood is good for structure. imo you'd be better off with the dry 2x4s and shitty plywood. but a lot of people do use green wood in building sheds and other forgiving structures that dont require perfect measurements and seams.

are 2x4s really that expensive where you live?
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)00:35 UTC+1 No.635457 Report

What structural advantage is there by screwing on the plywood from both sides? Thats just silly
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)00:50 UTC+1 No.635465 Report

Use the dry ones because the plywood will do very little to prevent the studs from warping.
If you want to save some money use OSB instead of plywood or use utility grade plywood like that other guy said.
screwing from both sides won't do anything.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)01:41 UTC+1 No.635491 Report

>>635457
Maybe he wants something other than bare studs on the interior for aesthetic reasons - Although I think drywall is actually cheaper than plywood if he was sure it wouldn't get wet.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)01:51 UTC+1 No.635495 Report

>>635448
i have built many sheds. what type are you building? what will you use it for? do you deal with winter? whats your soil like? i dont recommend rough cut lumber for first time builders. you are going to need a variety of lumber to work with, not just 2x4s
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)04:42 UTC+1 No.635557 Report

>>635495
>shed expert here
>youre gonna need to consider the climate, measure soil ph and density....


jesus man. its a fucking shed. one of the easiest structures to build on the planet.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)05:08 UTC+1 No.635570 Report

get rough sawn treated timber. this is cheap. it wont get moldy or rot if its gets wet.

if the wet raw wood was free then I would choose that. if it costs you more than a dollar, then why spend money on something you dont want to last very long?

I also presume you mean its pine. if the fresh green wood isnt pine but is some kind of hardwood then it should be OK to use.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)06:13 UTC+1 No.635603 Report

>>635448
buy the cheap stuff, and buy a tarp, stack it and let it dry for a while..
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)06:53 UTC+1 No.635625 Report

>>635557
> implying the amount/lack of persistent ground moisture, including pH, doesn't come into play when choosing your foundation materials, be it gravel, cement, concrete etc.
> implying average annual sunlight, rainfall and snow don't factor into the materials you build the shed from, and how you preserve and weatherproof them.
> implying you know what you're talking about.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)08:13 UTC+1 No.635658 Report

>>635557
>its a fucking shed. one of the easiest structures to build on the planet.

http://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/1bgbfc/build_to_fail_fail_to_build_what_is_this_i_dont/
Not to everyone, sadly
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)16:20 UTC+1 No.635767 Report

>>635658
>http://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/1bgbfc/build_to_fail_fail_to_build_what_is_this_i_dont/

Just to save everyone the pain of needing to navigate through fucking reddit just to get to the actual link.

http://www.bcsportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php/146566-Build-to-Fail-Fail-to-Build.-What-is-this-I-don-t-even.....
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)22:07 UTC+1 No.635878 Report

>>635456
>are 2x4s really that expensive where you live?
The dried ones are aout twice as expensive. 300€ vs 600€ for a 3x4m shed. It's not that I want to build it as cheap as possible; but if there is no big difference between fresh/dry wood then I don't see a reason to pay more.

>>635457
>What structural advantage is there by screwing on the plywood from both sides?
What >>635491 said

>>635465
Okay, I'll replace plywood with OSB then

>>635491
>Although I think drywall is actually cheaper than plywood
Yeah, I could use it for the inside. But I thought about playwood/OSB because it seems to add more support to the structure than drywall.

>>635495
I want to build something where I can store my chairs/table during winter. I want to keep it rather nice (adding a window or two) so you can use it for an occasional party too. That's also why I want to cover it from the inside and outside so I can stuff insulation in between. It will be a little less perfect than an actual little house so I just call it a shed (I have another one for the "dirty" gardening tools, like lawnmower etc). Also, no soil, but a solid fundament.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)22:59 UTC+1 No.635902 Report

>>635878
>if there is no big difference between fresh/dry wood then I don't see a reason to pay more.

There is no difference. Wood dries itself out over time anyway. The fresh/dry distinction is just a marketing ploy.
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Anonymous 05/08/14(Thu)23:58 UTC+1 No.635923 Report

>>635902
No, there is a difference. Fresh or "green" wood is sold at a cheaper price because it has yet to change into a better dry wood. dry wood is preferred because it has matured and will retain it's shape years and years into construction, it's moisture variable is gone. green wood can be cut into planks but because of the moisture it contains it WILL warp slightly. That said it's still okay for a shed because it's a forgiving structure, but since OP does want plywood on both sides he should go dry for his 2x4 supports.

That's like saying wine from every year should be the same value.


2/10, got me to reply.
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)01:47 UTC+1 No.635958 Report

>>635902
>There is no difference
yes there is.
some studs will turn into hockey sticks when they dry out
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)02:35 UTC+1 No.635963 Report

>>635448
would it be possible to buy a bunch of fresh wood and dry it out? I'm imagining stacking the 2x4s and then binding them tightly with bungee cords to let them dry out and not have them warp while they dry.
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)03:51 UTC+1 No.635978 Report

>>635963
If you air dry wood it takes months at least, years at most depending on the climate. Too many unknowns for a project you want completed soon. The bungee cords might work fine, but the traditional method is stack and sticker. Then adding weight to the top. Shown here.

http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/drying-wood-at-home/
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)04:03 UTC+1 No.635986 Report

>>635963
no, you have to create air space around each 2x4 or it won't dry.
plus when you release the bungee cord they'll bend in the direction they want.
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)04:49 UTC+1 No.635999 Report

>>635878
unless you plan to heat or cool the shed full time, insulation is a waste
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Anonymous 05/09/14(Fri)21:40 UTC+1 No.636208 Report

>>635999
>unless you plan to heat or cool the shed full time, insulation is a waste
Actually, the insulation I already have. There are dozens of rolls of glass woll stacked in my attic, as well as moisture barrier. They've been there for years now. Might as well use that.

I'll go with the dried wood then. Thanks guys.
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