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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:16 UTC+1 No.664059 Report

how to do /diy/
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:17 UTC+1 No.664060 Report

http://gregklassen.bigcartel.com/

selling for $5,800

can you make it for a lot less?
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:19 UTC+1 No.664062 Report

>>664059
Yes.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:23 UTC+1 No.664063 Report

>>664062
fuck you pal
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:24 UTC+1 No.664065 Report

>>664059
>>664060
Depends. Do you already have the tools needed? You'll need a heavy duty power planer, a heavy duty jointer, a set of paring chicles, an oscillating sander, maybe a router. A lathe if you want to turn your own legs like in the second pic. Probably a drill press too if you want to be able to drill at an angle accurately. Plus whatever glass cutting tools you'll need, which is out of my area of expertise.

How many failures to you expect to make before success? Do you have access to huge pieces of old growth timber at wholesale prices? Also, do you know the trick thats keeping the second table from falling apart? Lastly, do you have the skills to operate these tools and do the work necessary?
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:26 UTC+1 No.664070 Report

>>664063
Ask a stupid question...
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:27 UTC+1 No.664071 Report

>>664065
now that you mention it the second table looks like it's suspended solely on the strength of the glass

what's the trick
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:28 UTC+1 No.664074 Report

>>664070
your a question not me
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:32 UTC+1 No.664077 Report

>>664074
How can I be a question? I'm a person...
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:34 UTC+1 No.664078 Report

>>664077
dont ask dont tell
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:49 UTC+1 No.664087 Report

>>664071
I assume the table is angled in that pic so you can't see the cross beams.

Note the red circles. See how you can't see through the crack.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:51 UTC+1 No.664091 Report

>>664087
Forgot my pic.
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Ellie 07/08/14(Tue)00:55 UTC+1 No.664095 Report

>>664059
>how to do /diy/
Weld up a frame, grind it smooth, and powder coat it.
Have some fantastically beautiful wood custom cut at a sawmill. These look like they were cut from the stump of a forest giant.
Kiln dry the wood to get the moisture down.
Run it through a massive surface planer, and jointer.
Attach the slabs to the frame by driving screws from underneath.
Place a piece of MDF on top of the table and mark it as a pattern from underneath, offsetting it one inch from left to right.
Refine your pattern to smooth it and take out the largest peaks. (like in the picture on the pointy parts in the left plank)
Cut the MDF out.
Invert the MDF and use it as a router template to mill the rabbit in each log edge.
Take the template to a custom glass shop and have a piece of tempered glass cut.
Painstakingly sand and hand scrape the slabs to perfection.
Finish the table as desired. (If you use anything other than a natural oil the wood gods may plant you in your sleep.)
Install the glass.
Set the Glass in place.

The art is in picking the logs, making the pattern, and finishing it so beautifully. The carpentry is straightforward.

The round table's halves are joined by thin metal rods. You can see it in the other photo from his site.

They are beautiful.

(Answering rhetorical questions since 1979.)
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)00:59 UTC+1 No.664098 Report

>>664095
Thank, I guess I will stick to Ikea. I plan to move out of my Mom's basement one day soon.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)01:06 UTC+1 No.664106 Report

>>664098
would that be before or after you stop impersonating other people whenever you get butthurt?
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)01:09 UTC+1 No.664111 Report

This would be phenomenally difficult to do without a waterjet.
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Ellie 07/08/14(Tue)01:15 UTC+1 No.664116 Report

>>664098
>Thank, I guess I will stick to Ikea.
Don't give up so easily. ;)

Southeastern Salvage in Nashville, Tennessee has some lovely Acai slabs. They might be nice for this. I think they are pre-planed too. ~$300 each? The are darker and red-brown-er than these pieces.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)01:44 UTC+1 No.664125 Report

The glass would be the worst part about this, you would either need to water cut it or laser cut it, I don't know if that's expensive but I could see it being so. If the glass breaks at any point then you gotta spend all that money again.

Personally I would just fill the gap with resin. I'd build a mold around it and wrap it in a vacuum bag to get any bubbles out and to make sure the resin goes everywhere. That would eliminate the need for the support rods too I would imagine.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)03:30 UTC+1 No.664179 Report

The class would need to be laser, water or computer cut, before temper.

Honestly if I were doing by it I would have 2 it three pieces made at the same time, because good help you if one breaks.

I would think that the modeling for the glass was farmed out to someone with a digital point abd measure setup to get true 1:1
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)04:11 UTC+1 No.664189 Report

why not just make it out of plexi instead of regular glass... or acrylic.. knock a grand off the price and be done with it.. can't you cut that sort of material with a router? ... and if yes then use a bearing guide and use the same guide and a flat bit to route the channels in the logs...
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)04:45 UTC+1 No.664196 Report

>>664111
REally? i have a waterjet available. The tricki part get the wood, nice wood and to draw the thing to be cutted
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)06:26 UTC+1 No.664223 Report

>>664095
That's a board that was resawn, the "river" effect is the glass going over the natural edge of the wood planks. You can see the grain running horizontally in the picture you provided.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)06:50 UTC+1 No.664232 Report

are you niggers serious?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zlIygRnLSA
a scribe can cut glass in irregular shapes.

with a little practice, those curves could easily be made and then the edges buffed.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)06:55 UTC+1 No.664235 Report

>>664196
>REally? i have a waterjet available.

...this may have actually been the absolute last response I would have expected.

Uh...yeah...if you have access to one this should be pretty easy. Set up the wood how you'd like it, then take a picture and trace the outline of where you want the "river" edges to go, in a vector format. Most CNC software should be able to use your lines to come up with some gcode.

If you also have access to a CNC router, you can use that to cut the recess into the wood. If not, best I could suggest is trace the glass and route by hand short of the line. Then spend some quality time with a chisel to bring the recess to it.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)06:57 UTC+1 No.664236 Report

>>664232
>a scribe can cut glass in irregular shapes.

Yes, but cutting curves that extreme and that long will be extremely difficult, if not outright impossible.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)07:02 UTC+1 No.664239 Report

>>664236
what makes you think a single cut is necessary?
that much glass is like 20$ at most. so what if it takes three tries.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)09:21 UTC+1 No.664300 Report

I think it's possible to cut plate glass like that without a water jet. In fact it might be easier. Water jet tends to leave a lot of roughness on the edges and sometimes chips up the face a bit, making it more work to smooth it out. I'd just make a template and score, then break with a pair of running pliers on each end of the piece. Might take more than one try if you're not experienced. A diagonal shear would be a massive pain in the ass. Either way, much grinding. The best way to do this would be to cut the glass first. You'd have a 1/2" tolerance on either side of the ideal, then run the router along the interior edge of the wood using the glass as a template.
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)10:26 UTC+1 No.664307 Report

>>664095
Clearly not cut from a stump of a "forest giant"

Kiln drying is not necessary although would speed the process.

The use of a jointer and surface planer is also unnecessary.

Do you have any practical woodworking experiece?
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)16:58 UTC+1 No.664391 Report

>>664307
not that guy, but how exactly would you make it so perfectly flat without a surface planer?
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)18:11 UTC+1 No.664420 Report

>>664060
that junk is selling for 5800?

i'd rather spend 5800 for an Abyss table http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/07/layered-glass-table-concept-duffy-london/
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)03:27 UTC+1 No.664633 Report

First nobody is going to cut your tempered glass with anything. It will shatter like all glass in every car crash you have ever seen.

The easiest way to cut the glass would take it to a stain glass shop or someone who restores stained glass windows in old buildings churches etc. They will probably rough it out with the $1.99 glass cutter and use a water grinder bit for the sharper curves. Then a router on the wood. You could do it wood then glass but you are going to waste a lot of glass.

If you are very good with a wet tile saw and have a large work area you could probably come close with the glass
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)04:37 UTC+1 No.664657 Report

>>664232
Not tempered glass
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)04:41 UTC+1 No.664658 Report

I wish I had a band saw that would handle wood that thick. I could do this, glass would be an issue but there is a local company that does custom shelf and table glass that could temper it.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)04:42 UTC+1 No.664659 Report

>>664420
none of this shit is worth the sticker price...especially that bulky chunk of crap in your image. As for "selling" who knows.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)05:07 UTC+1 No.664675 Report

>>664307
>Kiln drying is not necessary although would speed the process.
>The use of a jointer and surface planer is also unnecessary.
>Do you have any practical woodworking experiece?

Yes, it is entirely possible to finish the edges and top of a slab like this with a table saw and a hand plane. You can even do it without drying it, if you don't mind waiting a year or two for the moisture to come out of it. You could even use a rabbet plane to cut the rabbet for the glass.
-but-
The woodgrain in that piece is moving in 9,000 different directions, and it will tear out all over the place unless you are planing with an absolute razor and Kung fu. Instead a jointer and surface planer can knock it out in a half hour. So would a 24" wide belt sander for that matter. Which one of these is more likely to be doable DIY?

Instead of hand planing it, use a power tool, get done, and spend the time scraping it instead. Maybe there isn't enough craftsman in me?

>Clearly not cut from a stump of a "forest giant"

I am willing to admit when I'm wrong, and I might be about this. Most of the growth rings in the left piece are concentric vertically. Is that not a horizontal cut from the tree? If not, then I'm wrong. I have not seen any natural edge slabs that have that jagged an edge on them. Is it a vertical slice from a truly fantastic tree? I don't know.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)05:27 UTC+1 No.664685 Report

I honestly want to know who would buy that shit...
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)06:23 UTC+1 No.664705 Report

>>664657
I know its tile. What is your point. Non tempered glass is cut the sameway.

There is no need for the glass to be tempered unless you are trying to mass market this or you are planing on crashing into it.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)07:05 UTC+1 No.664721 Report

>>664391
Same way it was done before the use of planer became popular.

>>664675
Its quiet presumptuous to think that just because you are using a surface planer you will have no tear out, like you said the grain is irregular.
I would suggest a stroke sander, if any industrial equipment.

If you look at the natural edges under the table, you can see the direction of growth
Those growth ring are from bough that have grown from there
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)07:35 UTC+1 No.664728 Report

>>664059
the only hard part about that table is the glass.
the wood is easy, just a slab of wood routed freehand by the looks of it.
I'm willing to bet some type of CNC watejet machine cut the glass.
Not a diy job though.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)14:31 UTC+1 No.664817 Report

>>664728
>>664657
it's as if you've never heard of google.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJm93F3BfeM

and for the sake of simplicity, why not a layer of colored glass with a much thicker layer of tempered safety glass on top?
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)17:43 UTC+1 No.664912 Report

>>664179
could be that they do the glass first at a random pattern like that an then rout out the wood to match the glass..using it as a template.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)17:52 UTC+1 No.664915 Report

>>664912
It has to be the other way around, the wood is a rough sketch for the glass
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)17:54 UTC+1 No.664917 Report

>>664059
Get your wood cut and planed. Dam the bottom and ends, pour light blue, then clear resin. Polish to a mirror finish.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)19:51 UTC+1 No.664991 Report

>>664817
Sorry kid. That's a video of a guy making a straight cup in untempered glass.
Cutting round shapes in glass by hand is virtually impossible.

Unless you can post a video pertinent to OPs project, take a walk back to facebook where you belong.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)20:00 UTC+1 No.664995 Report

>>664991
http://youtu.be/xN9tKWgXLI4
Freak cutting glass
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)20:13 UTC+1 No.665002 Report

>>664995
he's right about tempered glass not taking such sharp edges.

buuuut...
its not tempered glass in that table.

http://gregklassen.bigcartel.com/product/river-console-table

>beautiful live edge elm slabs
>modern black steel legs
>hand-cut blue glass
>silky smooth finish

>hand-cut
knew a person who fell through a plain glass shower. shards in abdomen, very bad injuries and weeks in hospital. THIS TABLE however, doesnt present an injury risk like that because you can't even possibly throw yourself through the table. its just a thin decorative sliver.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)20:32 UTC+1 No.665009 Report

>>665002
>>hand-cut
Careful with these marketing terms. Some manufacturers have very loose definitions for "hand made" and the related terms.
Reminds me of one company which sold "hand made" ceramic mugs. In reality, only the very first mug was made by hand and all the others were made by a robot which replicated the potter's work.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)22:17 UTC+1 No.665045 Report

>>664995
That's pretty cool.
Thin untempered glass like that aint worth a shit as far as op's project is concerned, but cool nonetheless.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)22:26 UTC+1 No.665047 Report

>>665045
He doesn't need tempered glass. Cut it, apply blue tint film on the underside if emergent care is a concern.

People that pay five grand for a table like this don't have children and never let any in their homes, ever.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)22:30 UTC+1 No.665049 Report

>>665047
tempered or not it has to be much thicker than >>664995
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)22:52 UTC+1 No.665057 Report

>>665049
Please excuse my dear Albert, he couldn't find a YouTube video demonstrating the cutting of curves in glass to the exact thickness of your liking. He tried.

Yours,

Mrs. Groovelstien
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)23:16 UTC+1 No.665070 Report

>>665057
no problem.
If you do find a video pertinent to the project, feel free to post it.
No one is paying $5k for a table made from craft glass.
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Anonymous 07/09/14(Wed)23:53 UTC+1 No.665087 Report

Jesus... I used to cut curves in thick plate all the time. Some of you act like this is strange and mystical, others act like thick float is shitty and weak. Really? Ever dropped an old coke bottle?

Anyway: circle. That's about as challenging as it gets for thick float.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-84Sdq7jaE
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:16 UTC+1 No.665114 Report

>>665070
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:27 UTC+1 No.665121 Report

>>665114
>a video
>>665087
post up the curved glass you've cut, i'd love to see it
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:31 UTC+1 No.665126 Report

/diy/. Where everyone knows how to do everything, yet no one can prove it.
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:42 UTC+1 No.665132 Report

>>664078
>>664077
>>664074
>>664070
Best laugh I've had all day. Thanks /diy/
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)01:45 UTC+1 No.665134 Report

>>664189
>why not just make it out of plexi instead of regular glass... or acrylic.. knock a grand off the price and be done with it.
That's a good point, while you're at it why not use plywood as well? Shave another couple thousand off the price, plus if you screw up you can just get another 8X4 sheet and try again.
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)02:24 UTC+1 No.665155 Report

>>664065
>heavy duty power planer
>heavy duty jointer

no.

>mfw i've made tables of this size bigger with a no 7 bailey jointer and no 4 bailey smoother.
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)02:29 UTC+1 No.665157 Report

>>665126
I see that he makes a fiberboard template for some tables' inserts and some he draws on the glass with instructions in the margins. That tells me he may not be the one hand cutting the glass. He states that he is a one man shop and that he makes one thing at a time. Therefore he doesn't need to write notes about "keep grinding outside of crayon marks" if he is just going to carry that glass to the back of his shop and cut the glass...
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)12:18 UTC+1 No.665386 Report

Why not just cut the wood curvy like the glass, and insert the glass in the wood?

It would look like a canyon. And it would be easier to do.
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Anonymous 07/10/14(Thu)14:38 UTC+1 No.665427 Report

>>665386
>>why not just print a photo, laminate it,
>>lay it over a few milk crates and call it a day...
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:58 UTC+1 No.666124 Report

That glass is not tempered. I don't care what anyone says. I have a concrete and glass bench outside with 1/4'' float outside for two years and its fine. I find old glass at thrift stores on old tables. Unless you plan on crashing through it or some government regulation demands; float glass is fine.

If you want I can cut the glass for you if you are near new jersey. I would take the cheapest tile grinder I could buy probably a $50 dollar wet saw. I would count on destroying it. Not ruining the motor or the blade but the arbor getting bent. Then I would grind out the spots I felt uncomfortable cutting. I would prefer to cut the glass first and someone else cut the wood later. But with two pieces of glass I would be confident that one would survive. The hardest part of the glass cut would be supporting the glass not supported by the wet saw. The weight of the glass bends the glass and creates weak spots prone to breakage. Once you start a cut its very hard to stop.

I honestly can't speak to how hard the wood part is but I am sure many are exaggerating it. Just the nature of the board
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:50 UTC+1 No.666164 Report

>>666124
This is a very sound approach. Just get a helper to support the piece while you rotate it as you grind. I also do not think a project like this is as difficult as people make it sound. It just takes medium level skills in three different media.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)22:43 UTC+1 No.666579 Report

I'm going to make one of these, I swear it
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)01:45 UTC+1 No.666633 Report

>>665114
the oposite sides of both planks look better for that work.

Do a smaller, but nicer table with top 2/3rds of right plank and medium 2/3rds section of left plank.
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Ellie 07/13/14(Sun)09:52 UTC+1 No.666884 Report

>>665114
I love the bow ties to stop the checking. 9,000 points! :D
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Anonymous 07/15/14(Tue)02:12 UTC+1 No.667768 Report

>>665114
It looks like a vagina.
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Anonymous 07/15/14(Tue)03:13 UTC+1 No.667796 Report

>>666124
>for two years and its fine
yeah. the purpose of tempered glass isn't to add strength to the glass, it's so that when or if it does break, the glass turns into tiny harmless particles instead razor sharp shards that can injure you
It's more of a safety thing.

I have several pieces of glass furniture in my house including a dining room table, all of which I know for a fact is tempered glass.
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Anonymous 07/15/14(Tue)04:55 UTC+1 No.667832 Report

>>667796
I know the purpose of tempered glass.

How do you know for a fact?
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Anonymous 07/15/14(Tue)05:04 UTC+1 No.667835 Report

>>667796
yes, that's important. for solid glass tabletops and windshields and anything a human can fall through. that strip of glass is barely wide enough to fit an arm through so not a health hazzard.
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