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trades efksf 07/18/14(Fri)10:02 UTC+1 No.669416 Report

Plumber,Carpenter or Electrician? Which is better and why.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)10:15 UTC+1 No.669417 Report

Plumber or electrician. They make more money and can get more work on stuff like repairs. Carpenters are shit-tier in terms of pay and just about any monkey can to basic carpentry. They also generally spend more of their time on new construction. You don't need any certs or anything. On the other hand requiring no certs makes it easier to get into the field. It can really be feat or famine though. If no ones building homes you basically aren't working.

I'd lean electrician as the best all around personally but I'm not scared of electricity like some folks. Less shit too. Plumbers get paid good money but they find it hard to get repeat dates, if you know what i mean.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)10:38 UTC+1 No.669425 Report

None of the above. I suggest pipefitter/steamfitter. Usually we have the highest scale on any given job, plus the work is extremely diverse and challenging. Installing process piping requires serious mechanical knowledge of chillers, boilers, air handlers, etc. It's like if plumbing was more mechanical/technical, required more knowledge of fabrication, and didn't require you to work around literal human feces. If you can weld (really well) you will make crazy money.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)18:57 UTC+1 No.669558 Report

Pipe fitter or industrial plumber would be my first choices.

The only way a carp makes money is if you are a finish and specialty wood carfter. High end cabinets, luxury wood furniture, luxury stairs, and architectural woodwork
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)20:03 UTC+1 No.669572 Report

>>669416
Carpenters can fall from heights. Electricians can get electrocuted. Plumbers have to work in basements all the time.

Make your decision based on these factors.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)22:37 UTC+1 No.669623 Report

>>669416
Electrician leads you to controls.
Controls is best.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)22:54 UTC+1 No.669629 Report

>>669416
electrician here, I like my trade but wouldnt say its better than any other.. tbh we are just like every other trade where the boss makes more, wants more done, and wants to pay less. Often times we are 1st on the job and have to know where and how everyone elses stuff goes in to get anything done.. and when suddenly someone elses prints dont work guess whos stuff they are cutting out of the way to accommodate? change orders are great I guess. When the job is at the end and everyone else ate up the time while you were waiting for them to get done who gets crunched? Which ever you end up in its going to have its pros and cons. One universal con is that there are a ton of 50 yr old trades men that are sitting around jobless because someone a little younger was able to do the job for less money and just a little bit faster. GL with what ever you choose.
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Anonymous 07/18/14(Fri)23:43 UTC+1 No.669644 Report

>top tier
electricians/controls guys
refrigeration
heating techs/HVAC
plumbers/pipefitters
machinists/CNC/welder/boilermaker

>mid tier
carpenters
landscapers
masons

>low tier
stationary engineer
handyman

>shit tier
IT guy
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Anonymous 07/19/14(Sat)00:05 UTC+1 No.669651 Report

>>669417

>and just about any monkey can do basic carpentry

Yeah, but few can do it well
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)01:43 UTC+1 No.670614 Report

>>669644
welder is not top tier by any means
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)02:37 UTC+1 No.670638 Report

>>669644
That list is idiotic. The IT guy has potential to get paid the most while doing the least physical labor with the least risk. Welding as a career sucks.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)03:04 UTC+1 No.670661 Report

>>670614
I'm pretty sure he meant welder certified in exotics like stainless, dissimilars, alum, and titanium, right?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)03:05 UTC+1 No.670662 Report

>>670638
Unless you love doing it.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)04:20 UTC+1 No.670711 Report

>>669425
i've heard every tradesmen on their board claim that their respective trade was the highest paying onsite lol.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)05:14 UTC+1 No.670737 Report

>>670662
I knew a guy that loved sucking the shit out of portable toilets for 9 bucks an hour. Takes all kinds a guess. He didn't have to worry about toxic metal fumes though.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:11 UTC+1 No.670870 Report

Apprentice at something and then go get an institutional job, eg school, hospital. Easy work, expectations are low, and great pay/benefits.

You're also not rushed to get stuff done so you can take your time to learn new things.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:32 UTC+1 No.670877 Report

>>669425
wut? you follow plans. plans made by process engineers. just use the pipe provided by your boss or if you're the foreman/parts picker, you simply look up the right pipe for the pressure, temperature and innertness. if it needs anything special, an engineer will provide it.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:38 UTC+1 No.670878 Report

>>669572
carpenters dont work at heights. they work in well ventilated sheds. you're probably thinking of construction workers, only amerifats call people who staple 2x4s together and slap drywall over it a carpenter.

>>669651
>few can stay sober enough to do it well.
with todays tools its such an easy job the workbench does it for you. the size of wood used for housing construction is set by law. the spacing is set by law. after your apprenticeship you've memorized this. really hard to fuck that up. and then the workbench just requires you to lay the plank, line it up and slice it then you just bash on a plate and play with the nail gun and repeat.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:48 UTC+1 No.670880 Report

Don't do carpentry. Even if you're skilled as fuck, little work comes in.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)15:59 UTC+1 No.670923 Report

Around here the industrial jobs pay the best.

Welding, especially if your certified to weld pipeline pays 40-150/hour, depending on whether or not your contracting or just showing up.

Pipe fitting, scaffolding, hvac, and sheet metal all pay 40+/hour as a journeyman. You just have to move where the work is.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:06 UTC+1 No.671064 Report

>>670878

Pretty sure we call the former "framers" and the latter "drywall guys".
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:46 UTC+1 No.671083 Report

concrete carpenter here building a office tower ask me anything
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:52 UTC+1 No.671086 Report

>>671083

What do you guys bring for lunch typically? I'm looking for ideas.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:54 UTC+1 No.671089 Report

>>671086
I pretty much eat 2 peanut butter and strawberry preserve sandwiches a day idd like ideas too
I was thinking about sausages in a Thermos
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)00:48 UTC+1 No.671127 Report

>>671089
I bought a larger lunch box for $10 at walmart, then I freeze a 20 oz water bottle. 3 bananas for break/breakfast honey roasted peanuts, salad kit from the grocery store for lunch and 2-20oz water bottles that were chilled in the fridge over night... I sometimes make some egg salad sandwiches and store that in the cooler, and turkey sandwiches too.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:09 UTC+1 No.671143 Report

>>671127
are you non union? they have to give you water bottle for my union its like no real written rule but we will raise hell about it till we get it and since we produce they want us to stay happy
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:55 UTC+1 No.671168 Report

>>671143
Water is always on site, its one of the 1st things done, but yeah union isnt worth a damn around here unless you like being unemployed half the year or traveling to other states for work. Thats ok my company is awesome. Paid all my school and books, company tuck, above average pay for my area, 2 weeks paid vacation, tons of OT, health and dental, 10 paid holidays, xmas bonus, Group buys for tools and classes, paid my osha 30 hour, paid cpr, july bbq paid... really is an awesome company.. unless you are a fuck up then we just fire your ass lol.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:58 UTC+1 No.671175 Report

>>671168
i get all that plus its not locked to a company
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:05 UTC+1 No.671181 Report

>>671175
Thats cool, but I like my company I wouldnt want to leave for any reason... nobody is locking me to that.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:08 UTC+1 No.671184 Report

>>671181
but your company could go belly up at any time and there goes your pension
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:10 UTC+1 No.671185 Report

>>671184
lol no
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:03 UTC+1 No.671242 Report

>>670661
>I'm pretty sure he meant welder certified in exotics like stainless, dissimilars, alum, and titanium, right?

There are guys who call themselves welders who look like welders to people who can't weld.

Then, there are guys who are certified in structural/pipe/exotic welding who look at the first group and see a pack of clowns.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)06:21 UTC+1 No.671879 Report

>>669417

>be me
>be 32
>be union carpenter in seattle
>already made over $1 million in wages over 14 years
>will retire comfortably at 48 and choose new profession for my golden years

have fun threading pipe at 60 fuckwad
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)13:08 UTC+1 No.671974 Report

electrician. recognized in all countries. No floating terds. No sandpaper dust.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)13:30 UTC+1 No.671978 Report

>>671974
Yeah, well, electricians have to deal with winding these back together.
If there's one thing I learned by working as a electrician for 27 years, it's that this fucker is the worst. I just get the tubes with the wires already in them whenever I can.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:47 UTC+1 No.672069 Report

>>671978
Dies this cause you anguish or relief?

300ft can be spooled up in like 30 seconds.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:56 UTC+1 No.672074 Report

>>672069
Forgot pic
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)20:53 UTC+1 No.672137 Report

been building these stairs for the last few weeks I have 6 more floors to go
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)02:01 UTC+1 No.672290 Report

Currently a signal electrician (railway) electricians are alot better if you specialise in something, you can get jobs were your paid for what you know not just the work you do. Its alot different and better then throwing cable and doing powerpoints.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)02:41 UTC+1 No.672301 Report

While carpenters gain a ton of skills from their craft, including experience in both plumbing and electrical work, the shit pay and sacrifices they make with their bodies is not worth it. You'll get paid little for the grueling work you put in, and at the end of the day you'll have a shit back, arms, legs, everything.

Carpenters are also some of the nicest people I've ever met.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)03:25 UTC+1 No.672329 Report

If you want to eventually move into a college education, go CNC machinist.

I'm currently programming million dollar 5-axis machines and making $40/hr and going to school for mechanical engineering. You get into the high-tier CNC programming/tooling/fixture building and you're already leagues above anyone else going for the same degree.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)03:39 UTC+1 No.672336 Report

>>672301
Or some of the most arrogant assholes on earth... There can be a lot of ego in carpentry because your work is constantly being judged. But there are some really chill carpenters.


Specialty high-end Carpentry is pretty cool, and it's less abusive on the body and the pay is not to shabby..
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)01:21 UTC+1 No.673690 Report

took this at work
ohio river valley from 10 story's facing west
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)01:22 UTC+1 No.673691 Report

>>673690
wow wtf its the right direction everywhere else but 4chan
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)01:54 UTC+1 No.673704 Report

Welder
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)04:39 UTC+1 No.673762 Report

>>673691
Posting from your phone, right? Yeah, don't post from your phone. Phones do weird shit to photo orientations.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)17:40 UTC+1 No.673980 Report

>>670878
Nigga. I dont know where you are from, but in my country you need 4 years education to even be called a carpenter. All family houses are made completely of wood, so basically theres unlimited amount of jobs for me for the rest of my life. But i mainly work with restauring old buildings nowadays, and that shits both time consuming and expensive to do. I live very comfortably.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)18:13 UTC+1 No.673991 Report

>>673980
4 years of education to operate a nail gun? Why? Maybe you have a different definition of carpenter over there. Historically they don't even need to know how to read. You're just banging bits of wood together while someone getting paid a lot more than you sits in an air conditioned trailer, coming out every few hours to make sure you haven't nailed yourself to the ceiling or something. I know people that are literally retarded that do this job.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)19:26 UTC+1 No.674008 Report

>>673991
oh god I cant stop laughing but only because its true.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)20:55 UTC+1 No.674030 Report

>>672329
>>672329
How does one start down this CNC track?

As far as education: is mechanical engineer a good route? Are there courses that you would recommend beyond the normal ME classes?
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)22:43 UTC+1 No.674065 Report

>>673991

Carpenter =/= framer
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)02:22 UTC+1 No.674160 Report

>>674065
>Framer: a carpenter who assembles the major structural elements of a wood-framed building called the framing. -Google

>Carpenter: a person who makes and repairs wooden objects and structures. -Google

>Joiner: a person who constructs the wooden components of a building, such as stairs, doors, and door and window frames. -Google

>Cabinet Maker: a skilled joiner who makes furniture or similar high-quality woodwork. -Google

>Master Carpenter: The highest level of carpenter under the apprentice system. One level above journeyman, which is itself one level above apprentice. There is no certification or education requirement in the United States to become a 'master' carpenter -Wikipedia, summarized

So, yes, framer == carpenter. There is no education level between any of these jobs. They are all experienced based. You don't "go to school" to become a joiner or cabinet maker nor do you need a degree to call yourself any of these things. Bear in mind these are definitions in the US. Many other countries have different terms and requirements but, as always, things are always lost in translation. That said, this is a US board, we're using American English, so what happens in other countries isn't really on topic.

Picture, as always, unrelated.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)04:38 UTC+1 No.674226 Report

>>674160
what the fuck?? I just scrolled by this thread and the logic, or lack thereof, made me furious.

The two professions are not the same. Carpentry extends beyond houses. Framing does not. You can be a carpenter and never touch a house in your career. Is that so difficult to understand or are you literally retarded?

>That said, this is a US board, ...

What a crock of shit. You've no basis to say we're using american english anymore than british english. Furthermore, language or country doesn't dictate what is relevant.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)05:07 UTC+1 No.674239 Report

>>674226

Your foreigner is showing.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)06:12 UTC+1 No.674267 Report

>>674226
Dude, I'm a union carpenter. I frame, I install doors and cabinets, siding, shingles. I form up for concrete. I install hardwood flooring. I build scaffolds. I've made cabinets when necessary. 'Carpenter' might have meant something different 100 years ago, but nowadays it means anything working with wood, basically. Anything excepting the mechanical trades.

The United Brotherhood of Carpenters employs about half a million carpenters, and it makes no distinction between framer, floorcoverer, scaffold builder, etc. We are all carpenters and can move from job to job at will.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)06:16 UTC+1 No.674270 Report

>>671168
Fuck yeah, that's good for you bro. I'm union myself, but as long as they're treating you right like that then there's no reason to try to go union. Unions are unrealistic in many parts of the country.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)11:58 UTC+1 No.674344 Report

>>669417
>Plumber or electrician... can get more work on stuff like repairs...just about any monkey can to basic carpentry

god knows they create more repairs; improperly cutting structural support and the likes.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)13:14 UTC+1 No.674365 Report

>>674344
this horrified me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFYze2kYcUI
plumber coring out structural beams in a straight line through several alligned beams for running pipe inside a wall.

If i built a house I would be watching the plumber like a hawk to watch out for this kind of crap. In australia there are no guidelines or building codes for coring out structural beams for electrical and plumbing. the only guideline is to "be careful not to drill too much".
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)14:04 UTC+1 No.674377 Report

>>674365
To be fair, its not a load baring wall he does it to. Seeing as how its only about 4 feet tall in might be there just for running the pipes and wires so you don't have to drill in the main wall.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)22:46 UTC+1 No.674517 Report

>>674365
uhh dude thats standard practice.. how else was he going to get the pipes inside the wall? as the other anon said, the walls werent supporting a load so no worries, even if they were its usually fine as long as you arent butchering the entire wall. I personally stay away from microlams because those are always structural and you are only allowed to drill through the middle 3rd or something like that. If I get a chance and this thread is still around I will take a picture of where the sprinkler fitter was forced to drill through 3 I-beams in 13 different spots and it was all ok'd by an engineer. On the same site I had an apprentice drill through a bar joist and tbh I ended up firing him because its pretty sad when a 36 yr old doesnt know any better.

>>674270
Thanks dude. Glad you seem to understand that as long as your employer is good there is no reason to be in a union.
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