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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:43 UTC+1 No.21912871 Report

Daily reminder that the police are far more heavily armed and trained than even the most committed of militias. If a police state were declared and all citizens fought as one, they would still be fighting a losing battle.

Any steps taken by the government to control guns, to divide citizens by race or religion or politics, serve only to increase the advantage of those in power.

The likelihood of a police state coming about is debatable, but as it stands now there is no way to stop it if it does come about.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:45 UTC+1 No.21912896 Report

>>21912871
I train more than five days per week, mostly in edged combat but I train in several unarmed styles as well. These styles include hapkido, judo and samba. I think you would be well advised to leave me alone and show some respect before you have to learn it the hard way.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:46 UTC+1 No.21912909 Report

>>21912871
eat a dick Bloomberg you statist cunt.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:47 UTC+1 No.21912918 Report

>>21912896
I prime myself physically and mentally to fight monsters such as this guy.

it reminds me when i took down a 7ft2 black guy who tried to steal my watch I Walked up to him take his hand shake it and say "good luck" with a big puppy dog smile.

Step back to the starting posistion smack your right fist into the palm of your left hand so it makes a loud smacking sound.
The fear may never go away totally but fear is good makes you alert and aware which translates as focus.
If you aren't afraid where's the glory in punching out someone who is basically a punching bag.
Many people take martial arts so they won't be afraid the "fear no man" crapola then the 1st time they have to defend themselves they panic or freeze with fear because by trying to deny it they never learnt it's value and how to use it.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:47 UTC+1 No.21912921 Report

>>21912871
My man portable dildo launcher begs to differ. I'd like to see a standing force try and wield one of those babies
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:49 UTC+1 No.21912937 Report

>trained

Police training is sub par. Most of them would shit their pants in an emergency. People build them up too much. Unless they outnumber a violent offender 50-1, they will be scared shitless.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:49 UTC+1 No.21912941 Report

>>21912871
If only there were strength in numbers...
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Phil Ossiferz Stone 07/11/14(Fri)21:53 UTC+1 No.21912973 Report

>>21912871
American police = 780,000.
Population of Los Angeles = 3.8 million.

All the cops in America couldn't hold down one shitty megalopolis if it decided to chimp out. Much less even one per cent of the general population.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:56 UTC+1 No.21913005 Report

>>21912871
>far more heavily armed

Maybe.

>and trained

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:59 UTC+1 No.21913040 Report

>>21912871
>there is no way to stop it if it does come about
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:01 UTC+1 No.21913051 Report

>>21912871
your forgetting, a hole generation of new vets, fresh from the sandbox who tend to not like the government, police included.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:02 UTC+1 No.21913057 Report

What is gorilla warfare?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:02 UTC+1 No.21913058 Report

>>21912871
hope you realize most police only train the bare minimum because they are lazy fucks.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:04 UTC+1 No.21913082 Report

Doesn't the NYPD have like a 20% hit rate at seven feet?

All I have to do is stand on the other side of the road.
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:10 UTC+1 No.21913144 Report

>>21913082
Wait is this real?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:11 UTC+1 No.21913160 Report

>>21912871
Hello daily reddit poster. You bring much needed drama and excitement to this otherwise dull board.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:12 UTC+1 No.21913169 Report

>>21912871
If it truly was unstoppable they would have done it by now. No there's still hope. Not for the government of course, but that we can still fight them. They know that. That's why they push so hard for gun control. Otherwise they wouldn't care
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:13 UTC+1 No.21913182 Report

>>21913144
You know that it is. Hell, They can't even put a rifle optic on the right way what makes you think they could shoot straight?
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anon 07/11/14(Fri)22:14 UTC+1 No.21913187 Report

>>21912871
I find it entertaining that OP fails to realize that the "police force" that he thinks is going to help create a police state still has to live amongst the general populace.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:18 UTC+1 No.21913216 Report

>>21912871
"They held off the British military from 1922 to 1969, with a skeleton force of sometimes no more than 31 souls."

"What is the IRA Alex?"
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:19 UTC+1 No.21913223 Report

>>21913182
What the fuck?! Are they shooting by the perps feet to make them dance or something? I mean god damn.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:20 UTC+1 No.21913225 Report

>>21912871
There is no situation where a militia would arm itself and make camp like a traditional military then throw itself at a superior force.

Even suggesting that battles would take place constitutes a straw man.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:20 UTC+1 No.21913227 Report

>>21913187
Civil war 2 electric boogaloo would be a fucking slaughterfest that would make Vlad The Impaler shake his head in disgust. No one wins in guerrilla warfare, And the feds dropping bombs on civilian cities is bad for the hearts and minds thing. It's not like iraq where they got away with it because it's thousands of miles away.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:20 UTC+1 No.21913231 Report

>>21912871
You think that if things get bad enough that there is widespread civil violence, lots of cops won't simply walk off the job?

Police and the military are still citizens. If there is a civil war/revolution, some of them will be joining in, no doubt bringing hardware with them.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:22 UTC+1 No.21913241 Report

>>21913182
They don't seem to have any issues hitting a dozen bystanders with perfect accuracy.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:22 UTC+1 No.21913243 Report

>>21913225
He has no concept of how an insurgency works. He probably thinks MRAP's drones and tanks are going to matter.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:24 UTC+1 No.21913260 Report

>>21912871

>implying those vests can stop steel core 7.67x54r
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:24 UTC+1 No.21913267 Report

>>21913225
>traditional military

No fucking shit. We are talking insurgency. For instance, you turn on the news, and they are talking about how a local chief of police got shot in the chest earlier today. Or how an IED went off at the pig farm. etc.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:25 UTC+1 No.21913274 Report

>>21913260
You mean green tip NATO? I like spittng out more than 20 rounds a minute with a rifle that was made in this century, No offense.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:26 UTC+1 No.21913285 Report

>>21913243
MRAPS matter, they mean that you can't demoralize the footsoldiers by blowing them up on the way to work, you have to kill them at home when they are sleeping instead.

They mean that you can't just open up on the troop carrier with a machinegun and cause 100% casualties, instead you have to avoid defending and only attack.

Not a big issue, but still changes the nature of the conflict.

Drones and tanks though?

What the fuck do you even use them for?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:26 UTC+1 No.21913295 Report

>>21913223
>To Protect And Serve
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:27 UTC+1 No.21913297 Report

>>21912918
Oh we have a tough guy here huh....... *unsheathes my twin katanas* Well, let's see how tough you really are! *jumps into the air* TAAAAKE THIIIIIIIIIIIIS *spins around and slashes your face open* Not so tough now, huh????? *grabs you and throws you up* It's time to finish this little charade *holds my katanas above my head* YOU ARE FINIIIIISHEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!! *jumps upwards so that you get impaled on my swords* Heh.... easy.....
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:27 UTC+1 No.21913302 Report

>>21913285
>MRAPS matter
On roads maybe, They handle like a semi truck.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:28 UTC+1 No.21913305 Report

>>21912973
780,000 police would be more than enough to handle a city with 3.8 million , shit it would be more than enough to handle the entire west coast. just think that more than half of that number would be mothers and children. really easy to control with financial incentives and not to mention that the dads would also not want any trouble since they just want to work and support their families. so of that 3.8 million I would guess that military age males with no jobs and no children would be far less than 780,000, and of that population of military age males how many would have firearms and effective training? probably less than 5 percent of the population would be able to put up any kind of resistance
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:29 UTC+1 No.21913326 Report

>>21912918
At first I was like "this guy is full of shit"

And then I was like "this guy knows what's up"

I wrestled in high school all four years.

I lost all my matches freshman year.

I lost half my matches sophmore year.

I wone 3/4 of my matches junior year.

I won all but 3 of my matches Senior year.

The thing that changed was my ability to 'embrace' my fear (that and I got better at wrestling). I found if I imagine myself hugging my fear and accepting it I would focus on what I needed to do to win.

In dangerous situations you will fear fear itself. The idea is to accept that you are scared and there is nothing you can do to get rid of it. You must live with your fear and even treat it like your ally.

>>21912918
This nigger knows what's up
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:30 UTC+1 No.21913335 Report

>>21913305
That's one of thousands of big cities. Not even including the hundreds of thousands of small cities and suburbs.
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:31 UTC+1 No.21913341 Report

>>21913305
You don't need to be a fighting age, buff guy. Grab daddy's ol model 70, take aim and pop a cop from a few hundred yards. Hide the gun and act like a normal civie.

>What is vietcong
>What is insurgency in the middle sandbox

Have you not noticed, the US military is shit at counter insurgency? What makes you think some cops will do any better? Hell most cops wouldn't even go along with it, either because they don't believe in it or, mainly they don't feel like having someone kill their family at home.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:32 UTC+1 No.21913348 Report

>>21913243
Where in the OP does it talk about an insurgency or battles? A police state implies no violence, because it's a fucking police state. The OP posited that even if the entire citizenry were to fight the government (which is a bit ridiculous to think that all police agencies and the military are going to be on one side with the Washington fatcats, and everyone else is going to be on the other side; it may have been a worse case scenario sort of thing) that the government would have enough force to quell any uprisings.

Regardless, police state isn't the same as insurgency, and while insurgency might happen in a police state, it wouldn't be such that it was all-out war.

It is vital to protect against this, which is what I suppose was meant by
>Any steps taken by the government to control guns, to divide citizens by race or religion or politics, serve only to increase the advantage of those in power.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:33 UTC+1 No.21913351 Report

>>21913274

No matter how fast you fire with a semi-auto AR, you won't be able to keep up the the rate of the full auto's the police will be using. better to hit and run until they are weak.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:33 UTC+1 No.21913352 Report

>>21913341
the only viable tactic to prevent insurgency is to put the whole population into an internment camp.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:33 UTC+1 No.21913355 Report

Except most cops are just people and side with the people. Yeah there are bad ones but thats in every professions. Speaking as a police officer who knows well over 50, we aren't like brainwashed into having an "Us vs Them" mentality or anything. You certainly dont get into police work for the pay. Most cops are people that just want to help.

inb4 edgy cop haters
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:33 UTC+1 No.21913360 Report

>>21913341
>Have you not noticed, the US military is shit at counter insurgency?

No one ever wins against it, Unless you carpet bomb the entire country with h-bombs. The soviets got their shit pushed in trying to take Afghanistan and their invasion was d-day x100 compared to what we did.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:34 UTC+1 No.21913364 Report

>>21913352
I believe that's called a "police state"
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:34 UTC+1 No.21913365 Report

>>21913351
>implying full auto will hit anything
do you get your information from action movies anon?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:35 UTC+1 No.21913380 Report

>>21913364
no i'm talking about the thing we did in the Philippines back in the day, we literally rounded up all the people and put them in a big fenced off playground with tents.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:35 UTC+1 No.21913382 Report

>>21913351
If you say so.
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:35 UTC+1 No.21913383 Report

>>21913352
At which point, would anyone go along with it? You think the cops would let that happen? Sure, there are tons of bad cops, but there are tons of great cops too. Oh, and you think the rest of the world would stand by? We would have supplies and 'advisors' from everyone that would gain from the US gov collapsing. Plus, you would have the UN sanctioning the US for civil rights violations.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:35 UTC+1 No.21913386 Report

anyone here read DMZ, its bretty gud
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:36 UTC+1 No.21913387 Report

>>21912871
>Police are more trained
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:36 UTC+1 No.21913393 Report

>>21913360
Exactly. Even if we don't have armored trucks, or autos, or riot gear, or drones; counter insurgency is impossible to win.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:36 UTC+1 No.21913394 Report

>>21913351
>attacking
>relying on full auto
>you are ambushing a superior force
>don't ambush a superior force

Plus the full auto guns police have aren't even real machine guns, they are only slightly different in their use than semi auto and most of them will be trained to just use them on semi.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:36 UTC+1 No.21913396 Report

>>21913365
He wants to use the beaten zone argument.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:37 UTC+1 No.21913404 Report

>>21913169
Hurrr gun control is to stop rednecks overthrowing the guvmint
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:38 UTC+1 No.21913411 Report

Anyone have that image someone did as napkin math where they took 10% of all gun owners in the US and included all sorts of wonderful little statistics? been looking for it for a while now
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:38 UTC+1 No.21913416 Report

>>21913383
Just like the US Civil War, roger? Nah, we would be left to our own devices and demise. The world would happily sit back and enjoy the show. Remove those stars from your eyes.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.21913423 Report

>>21913348
You know, I've noticed in these threads that there is a severe lack of consideration of supply lines.

If the gummint decided to start quelling dissent with force is it likely that the good people at Hornady, Gold Dot, Winchester, Remington, and other firearm/bullet manufacturers would discontinue production of ammunition/gun parts/firearms for the police and military. Since the civilian market purchases more firearms and bullets than the government can afford (remind yourself that people may stop paying their taxes and give the IRS a huge headache) these companies would side with the people based purely on financial motivations let alone the moral and ethical implication of supporting a corrupt, authoritarian government.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.21913425 Report

>>21913386
I patrolled the DMZ. Does that count?
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ThePsycho 07/11/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.21913426 Report

>>21913386
I did a dump of that with some anons maybe a year or two ago. Very good, but I hated the ending
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.21913428 Report

>>21913394
Most of them are packing off the shelf AR-15's They don't use fa that much anymore. SWAT was using MP5SD's for the longest fucking time but they are kind of useless outside of raiding houses and crowd control.
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:40 UTC+1 No.21913431 Report

>>21913416
You act like it would be a traditional war. Get fucking real. Think french resistance, or vietcong.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:41 UTC+1 No.21913445 Report

>>21913416
The US Civil War was a conventional civil war and thus is irrelevant to all first world history.

Conventional war is DEAD. Another conventional war will never happen between nuclear powers.EVER.

Nuclear civil war is retarded, that probably won't happen, if it does who gives a fuck, we are all dead unless we went innawoods, its like zombies or super viruses.

Insurgency may have some similarities to the civil war, but I don't think the politics will be the same.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:42 UTC+1 No.21913456 Report

>>21912871
>more heavily armed
With the increased use of military hardware by even small-town police departments due to endowments provided by HLS, I would be inclined to agree.

>trained
That's where it starts to get debatable. An overwhelming majority of police are going to do the minimum to qual in regards to anything regarding combat. That actually makes sense, as their primary purpose is not combat. I would wager the average police officer is better trained than militia members in police procedure, as that is their primary purpose.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:42 UTC+1 No.21913458 Report

>>21913341
The counter insurgencies in other peoples countries fail all the time. The US will be fighting in its own backyard and there would be no culture or language gap, not to mention that most americans would rather kill the "terrorists" thats what they would be called. than shoot at our men and women in uniform
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:42 UTC+1 No.21913459 Report

>>21913355
This has been my experience as a civilian.

I'm not so much afraid of local police or a quelling of the populace as I am of the Federal government pulling Waco/Fast and Furious/Ruby Ridge shit.

The feds are a different animal than even State police.

I'd appreciate your feedback, and I thank you in advance for being a community policeman and not a "HURR DURR CRIMEFIGHTER EXTRAORDINAIRE"
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:42 UTC+1 No.21913462 Report

>>21913445
I think we would slit up into four different countries should that happen.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:43 UTC+1 No.21913466 Report

>>21913144
no it's something around 40-50% accuracy in shooting incidence.
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ZED 07/11/14(Fri)22:44 UTC+1 No.21913477 Report

>>21913466
Ah that's better I guess. Still pretty shit though. I guess it's different if shots are going both ways..
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:44 UTC+1 No.21913480 Report

>>21913426
agreed. the super liberal lets all just get along bs was really contrived, you could tell he didnt know how to end it or just got tired of making them
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:45 UTC+1 No.21913487 Report

>>21913456
Yeah, it depends on how violent and widespread the insurgency is.

If its just people like James Yeager than they are going to be way better trained than cops.

If it's everyone I could see the cops having a slight edge in a strait up firefight.

Never get in a strait up firefight.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:45 UTC+1 No.21913496 Report

>>21913445
You know, back during the war in Kosovo the great military thinkers of the time (i.e. armchair generals that actually had the rank of general) thought that the US would move further and further from ground wars and closer and closer to precision guided strikes.

All I'm saying is never say never. You cannot see into the future, and taking any possibility off the table is fallacious at best.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:46 UTC+1 No.21913502 Report

>>21913285
MRAPS dislike fire and deep water.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:47 UTC+1 No.21913513 Report

>>21912871
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:47 UTC+1 No.21913515 Report

>>21913502
good thing I carry those things with me 27/7, durr.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:50 UTC+1 No.21913541 Report

>>21912871
>proclaim dominance over community.
>quarter soldiers and their families in same community.
>expect no repercussions for pissing off community.

That's sure to end well...
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:51 UTC+1 No.21913543 Report

>>21913462
The United States should never split up. We'd turn out like Central America. Weak economies and zero industrialism.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:52 UTC+1 No.21913559 Report

>it's simple numbers. We have more

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/law-enforcement-police-department-employee-totals-for-cities.html

19 officers per 10 thousand citizens isn't good odds
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:53 UTC+1 No.21913560 Report

As someone who has been responsible for the "tactical training" (lel) of police officers, including SWAT teams, I dunno what OP is talking about. As someone who has also been part of a "citizens militia" (very lel), you still dunno what you're talking about. My experience with training cops tells me that
1) They are all fat
2)They are all average shooters
3)They cannot be attacked, they can only be the attackers, put pressure on them and they fall apart
4)They don't know how to use most of their fancy gear
5) MRAPS are easily defeated by deep desert dust

Point 3 is the most important. They aren't trained to fight. They are trained to do one of two things: 1) Push your shit in at night when you have no clue and no chance, using massively overwhelming force and gear
2) Wait and call for backup

They can't fight. Don't be worried about cops. 3 staff trainers took out like 20 something officers during a run in our mock combat village, we had no casualties. It was like going up against airsoft kids.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:53 UTC+1 No.21913561 Report

>>21912871
>more trained
>implying I haven't spend 4 years in high school shooting 3P, going to sectionals twice and placing in the top 10% in the state
>implying I don't shoot 3 gun at least once a week
>implying I don't ruck 3 days a weeks and lift 4 days a week
>implying I haven't taken 4 carbine courses in the past 2 years
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:55 UTC+1 No.21913578 Report

>>21913560
LOL

Roger. Most of us vets pretty much guessed that was the case.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:56 UTC+1 No.21913591 Report

>>21913561
Police departments really do need more based HK53s
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:58 UTC+1 No.21913618 Report

>>21913591
The Police SWAT by me aren't OPERATOR enough for HK53s, just COLT LE6920s.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:00 UTC+1 No.21913634 Report

>>21913561
>dat image

All I know is that if this becomes a war of image formatting, we're completely fucked.

Here. Two minutes in photoshop.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:01 UTC+1 No.21913644 Report

>>21913560
>shit pops off in the homeland
>police are unfit overfed and under motivated
>dept of justice calls dept of defence
>"hey Def. since you are scaling down over seas and shit is getting worse over here why dont you send some people our way"
>"sure thing justice, got a few hundred thousand out of work vets with the skills you need, jarheads, rangers and plain jane ol infantry"
>"thanks defense let them know that the pay is better and you can put your hands in your pockets"
>"sure thing buddy."
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:02 UTC+1 No.21913649 Report

>>21913634
I didn't make the image, just saved form here a few months ago. Will used updated version from now on, thanks!
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:02 UTC+1 No.21913654 Report

>>21913543
Lincoln pls go.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:03 UTC+1 No.21913663 Report

>>21913561
>if they don't knock it off pretty soon hurr durr ma nurr
What's wrong with Swat teams using equipment available to everyone?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:04 UTC+1 No.21913674 Report

>>21913654
An actual clever person on /k/...

Glad to have you here.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:09 UTC+1 No.21913728 Report

>>21913663
IT's not about equipment used, it's implying that friendly neighborhood police officers have turned into no more than JBTs who only serve politicians instead of the community. I'm not anti-cop but I'm not supportive of abuse of law enforcement power and excessive force either.
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Phil Ossiferz Stone 07/11/14(Fri)23:09 UTC+1 No.21913730 Report

>>21913634
Senior tech pubs guy here: Nicely done.

/saved
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:18 UTC+1 No.21913824 Report

>>21913591
are those grenades on the ground
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:18 UTC+1 No.21913826 Report

>>21912871
Arm your children, particularly 10-15 year old.

You think they'll shoot your kids who were defending their home?

At worst they'd be marytrs who cause everyone to rise.
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not what you were talking about 07/11/14(Fri)23:22 UTC+1 No.21913870 Report

>>21913411
over 30% of households in the us have guns

the us population is around 315 million

let's say 2/3 of gun owners are hardcore statists and would let the government shoot their chilluns in front of them (lol), leaving us with 10% of the population as potential insurrectionists

10% of 315,000,000 = 31,500,000

the us military has an active personnel numbering less than 1.5 million (this figure presumably includes every fat fuck at a desk job and 4 star general in the final stages of type 2 diabetes, but let's assume it doesn't)

the reserves are around 850,000. we'll assume they are all crack operators willing to fight for uncle sam.

police employees number around 1.1 million. again, we are ignoring the fact that probably 90% of these are fat people with a ged.

but wait, what about all these crack snipers and undercover operators at the irs and the bureau of land management and whatnot. the federal government employs 4.3 million people, give or take. that includes the military we've already counted, but fuck it, we're doing this live and counting them again.

so we're now at a little under 7.75 million on the government's team (literally counting the military twice)

how many insurrectionists did we say there were?

oh yeah, 31.5 million

31,500,000 vs 7,750,000

I don't know, I think the civvies might have a shot
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:24 UTC+1 No.21913886 Report

Eurofag here the only weapon I have here is a AR-15 airshit rifle.
Still I doubt that the police here would stand a chance in a full blown riot with the "drink tea with the terrorist" mentality. And I think that I would be able to handle a gun better than the average police officer.
>>21913274
Those vests are rated on pistol rounds if I remember correctly.
Something like a 5,56NATO round should be able to penetrate it.
Or just attach bayonets and charge.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:24 UTC+1 No.21913887 Report

>>21913674
>yfw I'm the op of this thread, several shill on both sides so far, and a few tripfags as well
>yfw there are only 6 people on /k/
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:25 UTC+1 No.21913898 Report

>>21913870
if those 31.5 mil people could get organized
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:26 UTC+1 No.21913910 Report

>>21913870
fuck, I forgot to subtract the government numbers from the insurrectionists to make the point that much stronger. should be

23,750,000 vs 7,750,000
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:28 UTC+1 No.21913934 Report

>>21913887
I know Its good for /k/ to discuss these things though.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:30 UTC+1 No.21913955 Report

>>21913898
Holy shit, I just realized that it's likely that Evangelicals make up a lot of the number of gun owners quite likely (there are 90 million evangelicals in the US).

The most likely segment of the American population to rise up and take over everything and establish an oppressive theocracy is also the most able to do so.

>mfw this should be the pro-gun sales pitch to the left
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:30 UTC+1 No.21913959 Report

>>21913898
you don't need anywhere near that many to get organized to fuck over the government.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:33 UTC+1 No.21913981 Report

>>21912871

the police are the milita in many instances

http://operatorchan.wikia.com/wiki/Manifesto_of_An_Armchair_Militiaman

tl;dr be friendly with the police and if you can't be than move into an area where you can be
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:33 UTC+1 No.21913985 Report

>>21913955
>implying all christfags are evangelicals
>implying that there are a lot of christfags that aren't constitutionalists
>implying evangelicals wouldn't be BTFO by said constitutionalists
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:34 UTC+1 No.21913991 Report

>>21913870

That's still some pretty good math there. It is probably pretty tough to throw in the military deserting due to the moral dilemma of, I don't know, having to shoot your friends, coworkers and family just trying to survive.

It would probably be the equivalent of a dwarf fortress temper tantrum cascade.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:34 UTC+1 No.21913994 Report

>>21913981
>Acid Man

Nigga are you on crack?!?!
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:34 UTC+1 No.21913996 Report

>>21913981
> brain washed

The police are the enemy
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:37 UTC+1 No.21914021 Report

/thread
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:37 UTC+1 No.21914028 Report

>>21913996

how? Most Sheriffs (actually all) are elected, and most police departments are only interested in maintaining social stability

I don't see how any of this is incompatible with muh freedumbs. Every revolution ever got at least some assistance from a recognized police force, even in fucking France they were able to get the military to oust their leader and behead people until Napoleon came along.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:38 UTC+1 No.21914045 Report

>>21913994

what the fuck are you even talking about?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:39 UTC+1 No.21914055 Report

>>21914021
>/thread

Ditto
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:41 UTC+1 No.21914079 Report

>>21914045
Acid Man from OPERATORchan wrote the Manifesto of an Armchair Commando. His threads are borderline Alex Jones tier crazy most of the time except his threads on explosives which actually can be pretty cool.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:42 UTC+1 No.21914098 Report

>>21913991
Yeah, the numbers are meant to be an absolute worst case scenario sort of thing, so obviously it'll actually be much better. For instance, besides what you pointed out, I measured by households with guns and put that percentage into the total population. If you're insurrecting, you're arming every man woman and child you have control of, which means those people with guns are coming with other people with guns.

The only way to take over the US is through the political system, not through warfare. The US population is largely apathetic about such things, so the trick is for those who want a police state or whatever to "boil the frog slowly" as it were. If they can do that, they are home scott free and we'll be 1984 before we know it. The problem is, I think they may be moving a little bit too fast. If they wake up the sleeping beast, it's going to be hell on fucking earth. There's a part of me that wants it to happen (hence why I'm on /k/), but at the same time I really don't want to see what happens when the US becomes fucking Iraq. Nobody wins that situation.

I know this talk of "they" is some tinfoil shit, but in truth I think of it more as a symptom of our diseased political system rather than "the jews" or whatever.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:44 UTC+1 No.21914112 Report

>>21914079

noted

I don't go to opchan that much, but someone's been spamming the link to the manifesto in /pol/
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:46 UTC+1 No.21914131 Report

>>21913981
>http://operatorchan.wikia.com/wiki/Manifesto_of_An_Armchair_Militiaman
What is this garble? Fuck your shit's and deal with it's? Who wrote this unintelligent trash?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:46 UTC+1 No.21914144 Report

>>21914112
Probably Acid Man himself, just looking for more self gratification because he wrote a half baked manifesto and craves attention.

>>21914131
Acid Man from OPERATORchan
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:48 UTC+1 No.21914156 Report

>>21912871
>police are far more heavily armed and trained than even the most committed of militias.

No they're not. Armed about the same, with small arms. Police agencies have some armored vehicles and the like, but they do not have the logistic tail to support them. If an ied takes one out they don't have a half dozen more back at base.

Police are trained in law enforcement, not counter insurgency. They have some training in riot control, but that's useless when your opponent refuses to cooperate by having a convenient riot.

>If a police state were declared and all citizens fought as one, they would still be fighting a losing battle

You don't get out much, do you? Look at every incident of civil unrest that's happened in the last 50 years. The police tactic is to contain and wait for it to burn out. In a true insurgency, the police forces would be under seige. They would be swamped and dead as soon as their ammo ran out.

>Any steps taken by the government to control guns, to divide citizens by race or religion or politics, serve only to increase the advantage of those in power.

You're a real master of the obvious, aren't you?

>there is no way to stop it if it does come about

Sure there is. In the traditional and customary manner. Armed uprising. It's the go to method for changing government on this planet. You're new here, aren't you?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:50 UTC+1 No.21914200 Report

>>21912871
You clearly don't know shit. Time and time again wars are won by groups with far less advanced technology and limited weapons. Who has won the wars in the middle east? The militias and terrorist groups. Who won in Vietnam? The vietcong militias. Who won the American Revolutionary War? The continental militias. Which war caused the greatest number of casualties and who put up the hell of a fight against the US? The American Civil War and the southern militias.

Time and time again, the small backward militia has won.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:51 UTC+1 No.21914212 Report

>>21913225
I have a suspicion that OP is very young and inexperienced.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:51 UTC+1 No.21914213 Report

>>21914098
Don't worry about the "they" bit, I usually surf /pol/ and /tg/ so it isn't exactly much of a jump for me to use an unspecific they.

I can see what you mean by through the political system, rather than warfare. In all honesty I think it wouldn't be too tough for any schmuck with a good support base to run with a, "We aren't the other guys" kind of platform and have a chance of winning at this point.

It wouldn't exactly help to imagine the negative press bombing your own soil would cause. If shooting a couple of civilian's in the Middle East causes protests, imagine the butthurt bombing a neighborhood to make sure you stop a few guerrillas would cause. And you couldn't exactly cover up such a thing, considering any child above the age of five has a piece of electronic equipment with a camera.

I'm just glad most American's have a good enough head on their shoulders to realize that banning firearms that are used more for self defense and recreation than for actual criminal violence is a ridiculous idea.

Here's hoping that changes for the positive out here are made, one way or another.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:53 UTC+1 No.21914231 Report

>>21913634

If American cops don't knock it off...you'll all become British snipers?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:54 UTC+1 No.21914243 Report

>>21912871
>thinking the police actually know how to use their weapons other than magdumping into dogs

TOP LEL
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:54 UTC+1 No.21914250 Report

>>21914213
>Here's hoping that changes for the positive out here are made, one way or another.
Insha'allah.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:57 UTC+1 No.21914277 Report

>>21912871
Most soldiers and police officers will always side with the civilian population.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:58 UTC+1 No.21914291 Report

>>21913005

This. The local oinkers train at my club and they never cease to amaze me with their utter mediocrity.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:00 UTC+1 No.21914308 Report

>implying that 100% of the american people will actuall fight their government

This has never happened in history. Revolutionary war? Only a small % of colonists were in the militia or continental army. Sure there was wide spread support, but not everyone was out there fighting...you literally cant have everyone fighting. Who is going to produce food and keep the infrastructure running?

Any attempt to rise up against the government will result in the same thing that has always happened : they are branded as domestic terrorists/extremists, and the rest of the population will believe it and cheer the authorities on.

Even the ones who support you will mostly do nothing but write angry stuff on /k/ or facebook. They wont pick up a gun and drive down to fight with you.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:00 UTC+1 No.21914309 Report

>>21913302
They'd be taken out in the first week. Symbol of oppression and all that. Whole towns would be targetting them. And police don't have the neverending well of replacement parts that the military does.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:01 UTC+1 No.21914324 Report

>>21914309
There's a well of replacement parts?

I must find it's location and claim it for myself!
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Hunter 07/12/14(Sat)00:02 UTC+1 No.21914329 Report

>>21913082
The hit rate is between 17-28% overall. It increases to a 38-43% hit rate if the suspect is 6' away or less. (Yes, six feet.)
Supposedly, they train more often now, but, it's debatable if it has had any help.
All this from supposedly one of the best trained, and best equipped police forces in the nation.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:03 UTC+1 No.21914348 Report

>>21914309
That's a good point.

In every revolution going back to the french there is an interesting relationship between the organized fighters, the mob, and the people.

Each can do things the others can't, and when they work together they become quite powerful.

There are things that a big group of angry citizens can do that a small group of well armed fighters can't, and there are things that everyday people can do that neither can do, like simple sabotage and passive support.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:06 UTC+1 No.21914377 Report

>>21914348
It would take one guy to steal all the charging handles and BCGs from a whole police department, and he could probably do it several times before he got caught.

If any vehicles are kept lightly guarded they can be hit by militants, covered in disposable thermite charges and demo'd.

I don't think it's possible for a modern government to survive a first world populace, we are simply too clever and too well armed.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:06 UTC+1 No.21914379 Report

>>21914308
GTFO, OP. This is our thread now.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:08 UTC+1 No.21914395 Report

>>21913644
Talking to my ranger friend a few months ago.

Hey dude, humor me on this. SHTF and Civil War 2:The ReHappening starts off, what will you and your unit do?

>Start fucking kicking in politicians doors. You?

Kicking in the back door to the same building. Teach me how and I'll teach you how to weld.

>Deal.

Capcha: citeuv operators
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:11 UTC+1 No.21914423 Report

>>21914308

>a cop stopped me today and demanded to look in my louis vuitton handbag, dumped everything in it on the ground, and ripped the handle! #endtheocupation #revolution2018
x 10,000

We will ride to freedom upon a towering wave of incessant bitching.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:12 UTC+1 No.21914433 Report

>>21914308
Only 3% is needed.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:13 UTC+1 No.21914456 Report

>>21914433
>3%

>doubles
>33

Truth spoken.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:14 UTC+1 No.21914461 Report

>>21913305
Your first error is in the numbers. LA isn't a tidy little city surrounded by countryside. The whole LA basin is one huge urban sprawl. The only way you know you're leaving one city and entering another is by the discreet little signs posted on the sidewalk. The population of the LA basin is 18 million, and those 3/4 million cops would disappear in there overnight.

Your second error is assuming that only mitary age males will be fighting. It's pretty obvious that you've never been to LA. While we're on this error, not all of those 3/4 million cops are military age males.

Are you even American? I'm getting a vibe that you don't know much about the US or our culture.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:15 UTC+1 No.21914472 Report

>>21914423
This is why the beast will never awaken.

But if it did.

Oh God, if it did.

Imagine a nation of insurgents who have a sense of entitlement never seen in any citizenry ever. It would be a fucking nightmare scenario for anyone who caught the ire of the American people.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:17 UTC+1 No.21914492 Report

>>21914433
what was the % of colonists who picked up arms to fight?
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HoustonTXfag@ 07/12/14(Sat)00:18 UTC+1 No.21914510 Report

>>21914028
most president and congress men are elected as well.
Also most sheriffs dont care about throwing flashbangs into cribs and lighting an infants face on fire.

>inb4 edgy

Most cops atleast where i live in my experience are not there to help people, they are the ghetto high school kods given a gun and a "i can do whatever i want badge".
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:18 UTC+1 No.21914512 Report

>>21914461
Lol at the nigga you replyin to. LA is probably one of the few cities that has proven in recent memory that it does not give fuck number one about chimping the fuck out. Every goddamn race. LA is probably the safest place in such a scenario because they are guaranteed to CHIMP. THE. FUCK. OUT. You can't handle a chimpout. Not if you're the US government, whoever you are. The chimpout is your fucking doom.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:19 UTC+1 No.21914524 Report

>>21912871
All cops except city cops are out of shape cock swabbers.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:20 UTC+1 No.21914544 Report

>>21913351
Police don't have the deep supply well that the military has. As soon as they run out of ammo, they die. And they don't have a deep well of reinforcements to call on when they get in trouble.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:23 UTC+1 No.21914571 Report

>>21912871
>Daily reminder that the police are far more heavily armed and trained than even the most committed of militias.
They have more equipment and more training because they have more equipment, but most police forces have only the combat training that former military members brought them.

Their war fighting skills are lacking. Even the basics of marksmanship are strange and alien to them. The SWATs are limited in the scope of their training to a degree that even large open spaces in buildings confuse them.

What the police are trained for is niggers holding pistols sideways, and having overwhelming numbers, with ROE that would get any military force in the world hanged for war crimes.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:26 UTC+1 No.21914608 Report

>>21913416
Britain and a few other countries were giving significant assistance to the South during the Civil war. And the UN didn't exist back then, but you knew that. Right?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:26 UTC+1 No.21914611 Report

>>21913870
lets do a little more math shall we.

less than one percent of the United states population is involved in the production of food (farming) and even less is able to practice medicine

the federal government has control over 100 percent of all hospitals pharmaceuticals ,commercial food production and agricultural land (that is what the BLM and FDA are for)

the US gov uses its manpower effectively to not police the cities and chase down suburban /k/ommandos but to take over and guard all the nation's hospitals , food supply and water supplies

most preppers have several months to a year of food supplies, war starts and the feds use their most loyal and highly trained forces and drones to constantly protect the food supply.

food lines form in cities and towns across the nation, malnourished people start crying out for help. daddy goverment says that you can have food and medicine but the only way to pay for it is to accept a sub dermal chip that will allow you access to your food and medical benefits.

all the malnourished holdouts will eventually have damaged immune systems, thats when the sicknesses start going around. waves of deadly diseases that the government seems to instantly have cures for start wrecking the population

get in line loyal citizens for your medicine and enjoy your food courtesy of your loving government who wants nothing more than peace and health for all. And ladies please guess what your chip comes with free birth control

within a half century the US population is less than half of what it was pre war, europe takes its lead and enstates the same procedures along with asia. the environment is saved and human population is kept to a manageable maximum of 2 to 3 billion.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:28 UTC+1 No.21914631 Report

>>21913423
You also need to consider that the police state will nationalize the means of production.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:29 UTC+1 No.21914640 Report

>>21914611
>muh left behind series
Kill yourself, roleplayer.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:29 UTC+1 No.21914644 Report

>>21914492
Three at any given time.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:33 UTC+1 No.21914669 Report

>>21913515
How about replacing a manhole cover with a cardboard mock up? Bam! Broken axle or damaged wheel. Disastrous for a police department that doesn't have anywhere near the budget to maintain military gear.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:34 UTC+1 No.21914683 Report

>>21912896
>>21912918
How has no one called either of these people autistic sperglords yet>
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:38 UTC+1 No.21914714 Report

>>21912871
there are more gun owners than cops
hell, i'd be worth 10 cops if i have my proper incendiaries and thermite
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:42 UTC+1 No.21914740 Report

>>21913644
It gets to the point that Posse Comitatus is suspended, adding DOD to the mix won't help. First off, you're gonna have desertions. Military will have to stay out of it because they know they'll have a total meltdown if they do get involved.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:44 UTC+1 No.21914760 Report

>>21914683

Because there is literally no-one in this thread that did not realize that?

Seriously, why did you post?
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Hunter 07/12/14(Sat)00:46 UTC+1 No.21914771 Report

>>21914544
Remember, a lot of the smaller departments were critically low on ammunition when the big shortage began. Remember, it's not much better now, typically they just have what they need for daily operations, and not much surplus because it's just not in their tiny budgets.
I heard of individuals donating to local departments just to give patrolmen ammo to have for duty.
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Tn Arms Co 07/12/14(Sat)00:49 UTC+1 No.21914789 Report

>>21912871
>If a police state were declared and all citizens fought as one, they would still be fighting a losing battle.
lol
just no.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:51 UTC+1 No.21914809 Report

>>21914771
>it's just not in their tiny budgets
maybe if they hadn't switched all their cars over to dodge chargers for no reason they'd have a few tax dollars left over for important things like ammo and paying their officers.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:53 UTC+1 No.21914834 Report

>>21912871
>Population of Edmonton alone: 730,000
>Number of all RCMP forces through all of Canada: 28,000
One city alone has 28 times as many people as Canada's gestapo, they wouldn't stand a fucking chance even if the citizenship was completely unarmed.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:55 UTC+1 No.21914857 Report

>>21914789
Reminder: so not use your trip unless you absolutely need to aka your own thread, otherwise you become a tripfag
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:57 UTC+1 No.21914874 Report

>>21914611

>We will carefully delegate our perfectly-loyal forces to protect ALL THE FOOD, ALL THE TIME
>Not to mention ALL THE MEDICINE
>Oh, and we can't forget ALL THE WATER
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:59 UTC+1 No.21914892 Report

>>21914857
THIS! I post with a name+trip when starting a thread, when posting in a thread involving my own state, or posting original content such as a picture in an arsenal thread.
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Hunter 07/12/14(Sat)00:59 UTC+1 No.21914893 Report

>>21914809
Want to know why they got Dodge Chargers?
Because they got them for next to nothing for the package that they get. Between $22,000 and $29,000 for what would be a $35,000+ vehicle
Dodge was able to write off the price difference as a donation to law enforcement organizations, and they lobbied hard to get departments to switch with a FLEET service plan included for maintenance of vehicles - thereby relieving the city of some of that upkeep cost burden.
That's why they switched to Chargers. May not have been economically feasible in the short run, but it was supposed to make it up in the long run.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:00 UTC+1 No.21914902 Report

>>21912871

Daily reminder that the military is far more heavily armed and trained than even the most committed terrorists. If a war were declared and all dune coons fought as one, they would still be fighting a losing battle.

Any steps taken by the government to control guns, to divide citizens by race or religion or politics serve only to increase the advantage of those in power.

The likelihood of American dominance in the middle east is debatable, but as it stands now there is no way to stop it if it does come about.

Do you see the problem now?
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Tn Arms Co 07/12/14(Sat)01:04 UTC+1 No.21914934 Report

>>21914857
Reminder: No you
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:07 UTC+1 No.21914969 Report

>>21914857
>>21914892

Reminder: Just have a normal conversation with the tripfag, without acknowledging that they're a tripfag, lest they and several other people flip the funk out and completely shit up the thread.

Like some sort of weird chinese ghost that politely tries to have tea with you, but if you even acknowledge that they're always pointing their gaping butthole at you, they'll call over some other ghosts and they'll pour jugs of cat pee over all your stuff.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:14 UTC+1 No.21915040 Report

>>21914969
Words of wisdom. Someone screen cap please
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:15 UTC+1 No.21915051 Report

>>21914512
Word. Last Tuesday morning I drove the length of the LA basin from the Grapevine to south of Camp Pendleton. It took me over an hour, at 80 MPH. Very early morning, and my heart was in my throat the whole time. It's one big ass city. Yesterday I made the return trip, and noticed that the locals are already starting to do urban camo. Here's a pic.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:24 UTC+1 No.21915162 Report

>>21914611
>the federal government has control over 100 percent of all hospitals pharmaceuticals ,commercial food production and agricultural land (that is what the BLM and FDA are for)

A few thinking errors here. Regulating the use of is not the same as having control of. Government agencies regulate the use of 100% of motor vehicles on public roads. We all know how well that works out.

Securing large tracts of land would be a nightmare for the gov forces. Controlling the means of production and distribution is a valid tactic, but it also forces them to concentrate their forces at a known location against a numerically superior foe. Gov forces have superior tactical mobility. Your plan would have them giving that up. It won't end well.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:29 UTC+1 No.21915199 Report

>>21914760
His autism forced his hand. It happens.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:33 UTC+1 No.21915254 Report

>>21915051
err... not sure if joking or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_mule
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:41 UTC+1 No.21915328 Report

>>21915051

>urban camo

Yeah, no. That's a prototype or test vehicle. They often wrap them in crazy patterns or even rivet hunks of metal on to disrupt and conceal the lines of the design before it becomes public. Nice use of your imagination though.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:43 UTC+1 No.21915344 Report

>>21915254
Just happened to be driving up the I-5 and saw that. Handed my phone to my son for pic. It does look like it could have some advantages in the urban setting. Hard to focus on, among other things. Beyond about 100 yards it probably looks light gray or silver.

It's a light utility vehicle for off-axis urban recon probes.

Translation: car for drive bys.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:48 UTC+1 No.21915395 Report

>muh police state
>police gonna kill all the rebels
>confirmed for knowing nothing about revolutions
You know police have families, friends and their own political ideologies, they're not fucking robots who do what they're programmed too. Just look at what happened in the Ukraine when the revolution occurred, the police and army splintered like a shattered mirror. Revolutions aren't as simple as hollywood told you.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:49 UTC+1 No.21915405 Report

>>21915328
>Nice use of your imagination though.

Wait... You telling me I imagined the whole thing? But I got a pic! I'm not crazy! I swear to doG. Pic related- doG
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:52 UTC+1 No.21915440 Report

>>21915405

Are you completely retarded? I was referring to you imagining that it was "urban camo".
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:57 UTC+1 No.21915504 Report

>>21915405

your entire post is like an email my grandfather would send. are you 60 years old or what
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)01:58 UTC+1 No.21915513 Report

>>21913826
>You think they'll shoot your kids who were defending their home?
Yes.
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Kurd Guy 07/12/14(Sat)02:04 UTC+1 No.21915576 Report

>>21913260
Those are riot suits they will not stop a .32 ACP. The only ballistic protect we have in a riot is are our standard soft armor vests.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:05 UTC+1 No.21915589 Report

>>21912871
> implying the police would murder revolutionaries in the name of niggerbama
> implying most police wouldn't join the ranks of men fighting for a new, better America
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:13 UTC+1 No.21915648 Report

>>21915504
Close. 55.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:18 UTC+1 No.21915696 Report

>>21915440
Welp, based on the replies and the actual use of the pattern, an argument could be made that it is urban camo.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:18 UTC+1 No.21915697 Report

>>21914377
>I don't think it's possible for a modern government to survive a first world populace, we are simply too clever and too well armed.

They know this. No violent insurgency has ever been won. That's why they are pushing for "institutional" changes. Societal changes.

No oppressive government can win a fight against free men. So they try to raise a generation of slaves, dependent on government. The idea isn't to break our will, but to create a populace who honestly believes they are better off being ruled and controlled and unable to fend or think for themselves.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:22 UTC+1 No.21915739 Report

>>21912871
>there is no way to stop it if it does come about
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:23 UTC+1 No.21915748 Report

>>21915697
>Vietnam
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:24 UTC+1 No.21915765 Report

>>21912871
>but as it stands now there is no way to stop it if it does come about.

Our military lost a 10 year long war against the fucking jihadists, MILITARY.

If you really think the cops could win it out against our citizens you are dead wrong piggy.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:26 UTC+1 No.21915779 Report

>>21915696

It stood out enough for you (or the op of the photo) to take a picture of it, over all the other cars on the road, so I'd say no, it's not. Urban camouflage is about blending in subtly and not standing out in the normal urban environment
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:28 UTC+1 No.21915796 Report

Lets see how well those fancy guns, training, and equipment stands up against hit-and-run attacks and IED's.

Guerrilla warfare nigger.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:29 UTC+1 No.21915801 Report

>>21915748
>Vietnam

Yes, what about it?

I'm saying we're fighting an ideological battle. The government cannot win in a violent revolution, so it is changing tactics.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:31 UTC+1 No.21915822 Report

>>21912871
Using the skills I've aquired in the M.E., I could give them a run for their money
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:32 UTC+1 No.21915833 Report

>>21912871
>If a police state were declared and all citizens fought as one,
u wot m8? citizens outnumber police so heavily that we could win with nothing but rocks
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:34 UTC+1 No.21915863 Report

>>21912871
>implying the police aren't citizens and they would all side with the government
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:41 UTC+1 No.21915947 Report

Something I've never seen discussed here: How many foreign fighters do you think would cross the southern border if the habbeding happened?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:43 UTC+1 No.21915964 Report

>>21915947
Freedom fighters? You mean the cartel members trying to fill the power vacuum?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:58 UTC+1 No.21916192 Report

>>21915779
But I didn't notice it until we were actually passing it. It's hard to focus on, and it fades quickly in the mirror. It's also pretty hard to determine its speed relative to yours- who's passing who?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:01 UTC+1 No.21916221 Report

>>21915833
>Implying the citizenry would ever fight as one
>implying the citizenry would fight
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:08 UTC+1 No.21916313 Report

>>21913644
Jesus christ m8, even sand nigger militaries knew to back off when the revolutions starting popping off.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:09 UTC+1 No.21916318 Report

>>21916221
Don't move the goal posts.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:10 UTC+1 No.21916331 Report

>>21913826
Yeah? They do that already.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:11 UTC+1 No.21916344 Report

>>21914021
>>21914055
but muh machines guns, muh drones, muh tanks and jets!
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:12 UTC+1 No.21916363 Report

>>21914200
>Time and time again, the small backward militia has won.
>Confederate militia's
u wot m8
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RickyRecon 07/12/14(Sat)03:20 UTC+1 No.21916484 Report

>>21912871
>Daily reminder that the police are far more heavily armed and trained than even the most committed of militias. If a police state were declared and all citizens fought as one, they would still be fighting a losing battle.
Think you're forgetting how many police there are in this country. Think you're also forgetting how many of them are vehemently pro-gun and not particularly fond of the federal government; hell most of them subscribe to similar political ideologies as you do.

>but as it stands now there is no way to stop it if it does come about.
>>Thinking that the number of armed citizens in this nation, including a plethora of combat veterans, wouldn't be able to stomp what little police force would actually attempt to carry out some draconian bullshit.
OP, pls
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:21 UTC+1 No.21916505 Report

Daily counter reminder that there has been a "police state" in the hoods for decades over the war on drugs yet gangs still control most of the territory in their hoods.

It's a perfect analogy. In hoods there is a hostile local population , armed men of the neighborhood and any outside force trying to move in on them is imminently spotted so they can blend back into the population.
Classic guerrilla warfare.
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anon 07/12/14(Sat)03:22 UTC+1 No.21916528 Report

>>21912871
I could not agree more. I mean just look at how all the wars in the last 70 years have gone. America had so much better fire power we steam rolled Vietnam. And Russia those high powered bad asses rolled right threw the middle east.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:25 UTC+1 No.21916554 Report

>>21913404
Not exclusively no, but you're the inbred trailer trash if you honestly don't believe that's a legitimate reason why they do it.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:30 UTC+1 No.21916639 Report

>>21916505
More like gorilla warfare.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:52 UTC+1 No.21916929 Report

>>21914309
plus, think about what happens if you break the axle of one of those things. somebody is going to show up to help, or the chewy center comes out of the candy shell to see whats up, and boom
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:03 UTC+1 No.21917059 Report

>>21913351
if you dont have fully automatic weapons on the first day of the revolution, you will on the second.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:07 UTC+1 No.21917106 Report

>>21916192
So why don't you remember all the grey Accords you passed? Why no pictures of them?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:30 UTC+1 No.21917346 Report

>>21912871
No problem. First we take the police stations. Now we're nicely armed. When the national guard mobilizes to retake the police stations, we leeroy jenkins their asses and take the national guard armories while they are out playing with their toys. Now we have tanks.

The silly thing about arming the police to the teeth is it makes it so much easier for us to rebel. I can drive less than three miles up the road and pick up all the weapons, ammo, and armor I could ever ask for.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:31 UTC+1 No.21917365 Report

>>21914277
>side with the civilian population
Yes, they'll be defending the civilian population against heavily armed, radical terrists. :^)
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:34 UTC+1 No.21917394 Report

>>21912871
Daily reminder that in the event of a civil war, American militias will be armed by Russian and Chinese agents to hasten the collapse of America so they can move in.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:35 UTC+1 No.21917402 Report

>>21916505
this guy here knows. If one person sees a cop in a hood, word gets around faster than a wildfire in California. Whole groups of people start dodgin into garages, into sheds, all kinds of stuff just straight up disapears or ends up looking like normal "legal hood activity".
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:35 UTC+1 No.21917408 Report

>>21917106
Didn't pass any gray Accords. It was weird. A white one, and a couple silver ones, but no gray. You'd think there'd be at least one in 750 miles, but nope. Nada.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:38 UTC+1 No.21917437 Report

>>21912871
Police states are never just "declared". Obama isn't going to just call a press conference and declare himself dictator-for-life tomorrow. They creep. They take a little more from the common man every year and it won't really get acknowledged or talked about because it happens so slow you won't notice until it's already past the point where armed resistance is feasible. At that point, there COULD be a sudden, sharp decline, but as long as we can still fight tyranny must creep silently through the shadows.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:41 UTC+1 No.21917471 Report

>>21912918
COINTELPRO pls go.

Seriously though, you guys need to be more subtle. This is ridiculous
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:42 UTC+1 No.21917487 Report

>>21913644

The moment US soldiers start showing up to wage war on portions of the populace is the moment that the US government has lost the conflict

this is essentially a fact. It may be long, brutal, and bloody, but once a government starts making its population the enemy, that government is doomed to fail without some massive foreign aid
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:46 UTC+1 No.21917522 Report

>>21913644
Oh yeah? Well if you join the insurgency you can do all the coke you want and you don't even need to wear pants.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:46 UTC+1 No.21917526 Report

They're untrained farmer peasants they'll never put up a fight.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:48 UTC+1 No.21917543 Report

>>21912871
>the police are far more heavily armed

Please explain?

Do they have the ability to fire frag grenades at people? Can they call in air strikes? Artillery? No? Then I think its really about equal, actually.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:48 UTC+1 No.21917547 Report

>>21917526
Where there is a will die there's a will to win.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:49 UTC+1 No.21917548 Report

>>21914611
That sounds like revelations but with science instead of magic.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:49 UTC+1 No.21917550 Report

>>21916929
Best part is, the recovery vehicle shows up and you light that up. Now they have to rescue that. Rinse, repeat. It's like the VC used to do when they'd set ambushes for helicopters
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:49 UTC+1 No.21917555 Report

>>21917522
>Well if you join the insurgency you can do all the coke you want and you don't even need to wear pants.

SIGN ME UP. I HATE PANTS.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:53 UTC+1 No.21917600 Report

>>21917543

purpose built armored vehicles, more destructive weaponry (explosives, FA, etc), air support (helicopters, drones), much greater funding, it goes on

not that it matters because they're pig cowards who are incapable of fighting in anything but the absolute best of odds (no knock raids at 2AM by squads that outnumber the suspects 10:1)

the moment they had to start worrying about their car blowing up when they turn the key, or their families getting murdered while they were at work, or that they might get shot at during the day, they'll start bailing in droves.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:49 UTC+1 No.21918157 Report

>>21917548
Ha, reminds me of that old 70s movie they kept showing us back when I was a pentacostal Christian. I think the movie was called Thief in the Night and it scared the shit out of me when I was 12. I kept thinking that most of my family would get raptured and I would get left behind because I masturbated. The movie was ridiculous, all the people left behind would have to get a tattoo of 666 written in computer code in order to buy or sell stuff. Those that didn't would get killed.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:52 UTC+1 No.21918191 Report

An insurgency would kill a lot more civillians than cops but that doesn't mean the cops would win.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)06:35 UTC+1 No.21918641 Report

>>21918191
Just look at Russia for example.

Quantity always beat quality.
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