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Hindsight is 20/20 but why was...
Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:07 UTC+1 No.20535570 Report

Hindsight is 20/20 but why was the Ukrainian military so unprepared for a Russian bitch slap?

What would have happened if the bases had fought back against the Russians?
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:08 UTC+1 No.20535587 Report

Why were they unprepared? Gee I dunno I guess having no functioning government and being in the middle of a revolution might have had something to do with it.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:09 UTC+1 No.20535595 Report

maybe because their economy is in the pooper and they're going through a revolution?
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:13 UTC+1 No.20535640 Report

>>20535570

Yanukovych drastically cut military spending while he was in office, then stole $70 Billion from the state treasury when he fled the country.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:14 UTC+1 No.20535659 Report

>2 days after a semi-violent coup and transition of federal power
>permanent Russian military presence in Crimea allowed for easy deployment of Russian assets in the field
>both respective militaries use/used similar equipment, so confusion and plausible deniability slowed military and international response
>Ukrainian's command structure was in doubt and was never given a mobilization order
>by the time mobilization was granted, Russian forces were already in a position to kill Ukrainian military brigades in their own bases
>general incompetence and underfunding
>the fact that, in the end, Ukraine was allowed to walk away with the majority of their men alive and some of their Crimean equipment intact
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:15 UTC+1 No.20535668 Report

>>20535587
i get that but the revolution didn't seem like it really affected the military

you think they would have had more of a presence to have a substantial military force considering they weren't a part of NATO and were right next door to fucking russia
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:16 UTC+1 No.20535675 Report

>>20535640
>implying they ever had that much money to begin with
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XTX-/k/opp 03/25/14(Tue)00:17 UTC+1 No.20535688 Report

>>20535640

>then stole $70 Billion from the state treasury when he fled the country.

And i suppose you've got a source for those numbers, right?
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:18 UTC+1 No.20535712 Report

>>20535668
>the revolution didn't seem like it really affected the military
>A third of the military defects and declares they support the deposed President and not the transitional regime
>Not an effect of the revolution
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:20 UTC+1 No.20535735 Report

>>20535712
is that from mainland ukraine or the crimea?
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:22 UTC+1 No.20535772 Report

Their economy was in shambles. They've been selling off their equipment for over a decade. We even paid them to destroy their TU-22Ms rather than sell them, for non-proliferation reasons. The only reasonably-funded military installations were those jointly operated with Russia, like Sevastopol.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:29 UTC+1 No.20535863 Report

>>20535688
>>20535675

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/new-ukraine-leader-yatseniuk-says-ousted-government-stole-70b-n40076

http://www.voanews.com/content/washington-react-fbi-helps-ukraine-recover-billions-stolen-by-former-regime/1868097.html

http://news.sky.com/story/1218041/ukraine-treasury-stripped-by-ousted-regime

http://euobserver.com/tickers/123302

>Implying this isn't old and obvious information

Fuck off.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:29 UTC+1 No.20535869 Report

It was Russia. Russia was who they were dealing with you shithead. I don't care if they were geared way the fuck up, their population is a third of theirs and their military is much weaker than just that.
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XTX-/k/opp 03/25/14(Tue)00:31 UTC+1 No.20535892 Report

>>20535863

>Fuck off.

Shut the fuck up homo faggot. Thanks for the effort for all those sources though, i appreciate it.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:34 UTC+1 No.20535932 Report

>>20535892
russiaapologist plz go
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)00:39 UTC+1 No.20535987 Report

>>20535932

Nothing wrong with asking for sources, anon.

>>20535892

Who you calling a faggot, faggot?
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)01:42 UTC+1 No.20536848 Report

>>20535668
There were suggestions from some people that Yanukovych intentionally weakened the Ukrainian military during his time in power, either to stave off a coup or to prove to the Russians he wasn't a threat to them.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)01:44 UTC+1 No.20536872 Report

>>20535735
Mostly Crimea. Either way, it represented a significant portion of the Ukrainian military.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)01:49 UTC+1 No.20536948 Report

>>20535570
Their entire command and control structure was in chaos. No one was giving orders and the soldiers on the ground were too worried about starting a war to do anything.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)01:57 UTC+1 No.20537086 Report

Ukraine disarmed its self with promises that other countries would defend them.

that worked well. not.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)02:01 UTC+1 No.20537141 Report

Ukraine's goverment was dysfunctional
Russia already had a strong military presence on Crimea
Crimea and other parts of eastern Ukraine have Russian majority populations
those Ukrainian soldiers who weren't ethnic Russians anyway knew resistance is pointless, that they would just die for nothing while trying to stop the inevitable
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)02:03 UTC+1 No.20537154 Report

>>20537086
except that's nonsense.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)03:32 UTC+1 No.20538637 Report

>Yanukovych put the military in the crapper

Well, that's convenient.
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Anonymous 03/25/14(Tue)03:57 UTC+1 No.20538988 Report

>>20536872
1/3 of the Whole military of Ukraine or 1/3 of the military forces in Crimea? All Media outlets fuck with statistics to make things look better for their side.
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