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Looking to buy my first carry...
Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:36 UTC+1 No.21601256 Report

Looking to buy my first carry pistol. Is there any way to conceal a Glock 19 well enough that I can be absolutely sure of not printing? I want the option of carrying on my campus (entirely legal, but high chance of expulsion if discovered).
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:40 UTC+1 No.21601295 Report

No, and carrying on your campus is absolutely stupid as shit.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:46 UTC+1 No.21601332 Report

>>21601295
Yeah, because only carrying pepper spray in a windy as fuck state is a great idea.

>especially when a guy who's twice your size somehow decided you're an obstacle between him and the girl he's stalking
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:48 UTC+1 No.21601350 Report

>>21601332
Are your campus grounds really THAT fucking dangerous that you need to be packing heat?

Think about this. You WILL be expelled and have a black mark on you for the rest of your life. You'll make the gun community look bad. This just doesn't seem like it's worth it.
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arandomebrownbear 06/16/14(Mon)20:51 UTC+1 No.21601382 Report

OP put it in your back pack, somewhere where it CAN NOT fall out, somewhere where it wont print, and then just dont worry about it anymore.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:53 UTC+1 No.21601403 Report

Not OP. University of Houston here. I would carry if I could on my campus. Its dangerous on campus. Yeah there's a lot of people to mar the statistics but last semester there was a swath of muggings and even an armored car was robbed. Its a ideal feeding ground for criminals.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:54 UTC+1 No.21601420 Report

>>21601350
>Are your campus grounds really THAT fucking dangerous that you need to be packing heat?
You completely miss the point of carrying. Also, see greentext here >>21601332

>Think about this. You WILL be expelled and have a black mark on you for the rest of your life.
1) only if noticed
2) even if noticed I can just leave the campus and drop my gun off
3) other students have managed this just fine
4) even if "black mark" acquired, that's nothing that will stop me acquiring a job
5) the community can't really take much of a hit from this after all that OC crap
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:55 UTC+1 No.21601427 Report

>>21601256
>my campus has an empty holster day where wo OC empty holsters to protest campus CC laws

>The sperging and liberal tears from arts students

Don't do it OP, college campuses are usually lost causes.
Carry in your backpack if you must, but never let that fucking pack leave your direct possession.

Consider getting the longest pointiest blade you can legally carry and then prison shiv your enemies.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)20:58 UTC+1 No.21601459 Report

>>21601382
>OP put it in your back pack
Not a chance. Carrying outside the body is just asking for trouble unless you're the kind of person who NEVER forgets to grab their possessions (I'm not).
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:01 UTC+1 No.21601482 Report

>>21601256
The question is "Glock 19 possible or do I need to buy a Glock 27 or single-stack 9mm like a PPS instead?"

Haven't decided that I will carry on campus or not but /k/'s input on that matter isn't going to sway me. I live off campus (going back to college after time in the work force) so it's not like I'm dealing with roommates and dumb shit like that.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:12 UTC+1 No.21601592 Report

>>21601256
Its a double stack, so theres no sure way to mkae sure it wont print 100%. Alot of it has to do with persoanl info.
are you fat, mediam or skinny, what clothes do you wear, where do you live, ect.
If its really bothering you, Id suggest a single stack
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:12 UTC+1 No.21601595 Report

>>21601427
>Consider getting the longest pointiest blade you can legally carry and then prison shiv your enemies.
Bad advice.

The winner of a knife fight ends up in the hospital. The loser ends up in the morgue.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:15 UTC+1 No.21601638 Report

>>21601592
>are you fat, mediam or skinny, what clothes do you wear, where do you live, ect.
Pretty skinny. Jeans and t-shirt and often a long-sleeve button up shirt. Live in the upper Midwest.

>Its a double stack, so theres no sure way to mkae sure it wont print 100%.
>If its really bothering you, Id suggest a single stack
Yeah, I might well do that. Even with the Glock 27 I'd want to get a magazine grip extender for it so that I can get my pinky on, and then I'm not getting much of an improvement over the 19.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:24 UTC+1 No.21601740 Report

>>21601638
persoanlly I hate the subcompact glocks the most.
glocks themselves are fat, but the subcomapcts are short and fat. there nothing to grab onto and they feel like crap. It may have one of the best capacities for a pocket gun, but that depends on what you consider a pocket gun.
if youre carrying on campus, the biggest id suggest (and I fucking hate these fanboys) is a glock 19, or at least something that size. theres a good lot of pistols in that size with big capacities. or you can just go for max concealment and go for a real pocket gun like a .38 or .380
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:40 UTC+1 No.21601909 Report

>>21601740
Despite me not liking how the idea of a slim Glock just doesn't exist, they actually are really fucking good at being efficient with their size:round ratio.

If not the 19, I figure a PPS or an XDs might be the ticket; they're both a quarter inch slimmer than a Glock.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:50 UTC+1 No.21602022 Report

>>21601295
>No, and carrying on your campus is absolutely stupid as shit.
>And having guns at all is horrible!
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:50 UTC+1 No.21602026 Report

>>21601420
>even if "black mark" acquired, that's nothing that will stop me acquiring a job

You mean the day labor job you'll have to settle for because you won't be able to get into any other school in your state?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:54 UTC+1 No.21602068 Report

>>21601638
Look at ruger compacts, I think the 9mm SR compact holds 10 rounds and are pretty slim, the s&w M&P9c also holds 10 rounds and has a nice grip design.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:56 UTC+1 No.21602095 Report

>>21602026
>you won't be able to get into any other school in your state
Oh DARN. Guess I'll just have to go to another state then, or use my security clearance and job experience to grab a contracting job.

Protip: Just because you might be, doesn't mean everyone else is fresh out of high school with no experience working and no cash in the bank.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:57 UTC+1 No.21602106 Report

>>21602026
Not OP, but soon-to-be-returning-to-collegefag:

I'd rather be expelled than killed in a mugging because I didn't have an effective means of self defense
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)21:58 UTC+1 No.21602121 Report

>>21602068
I tried the SR22 and didn't like it at all, and M&Ps seem cheap compared to XDs/Glocks/Walthers. Thanks though.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:03 UTC+1 No.21602191 Report

What about a lel-kek PF9 (or PF11)?
My mom got one a few months, and even as a human skellington I don't print, even if wearing normal-sized shirts and pants.

The trigger pull is only about a mile long, but its better than nothing.

Or even a small little .38 snub maybe? Like one of the first-gen Charter Arms Undercover or Off-Duty models (which are pretty much the same thing, iirc), or one of those Ruger LCRs, or one of the hundred other snubbies.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:07 UTC+1 No.21602224 Report

>>21602191
Kel-tec did work for the Zim-Zam but they feel too cheap to me. I don't want to cheap out on a carry pistol.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:16 UTC+1 No.21602328 Report

>>21602224
>Cheap
Only if your referring to nothing but the price tag, maybe.
It will do the same thing any other sub-compact rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty, but for like half the price.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:17 UTC+1 No.21602335 Report

>>21602328
you're*
Sorry, must've missed a letter somehow.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:31 UTC+1 No.21602494 Report

>25 posts and nobody answered OP's question

Never change, /k/.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:37 UTC+1 No.21602579 Report

I've given up on trying to conceal my G19 without printing. It's no problem 9 months out of the year. WI here, so I just say fuck it and print like a sumbitch when it too hot for a jacket.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:39 UTC+1 No.21602603 Report

Get a quality iwb holster, maybe a tuckable one, or get a belly band. Pocket carry might work if you have a pocket pistol.

Realistically, most people, especially college kids, aren't observant enough to notice when someone is oc'ing a pistol, let alone cc'ing. Just don't be a dumbass or get searched by campus pd or anything.

Also, get a steel water bottle on a lanyard. It makes a decent club/flail, plus you can stay hydrated. Small flashlights can also be useful.

Additionally, getting fit will probably be a major asset not only in defending yourself, but life in general. Take advantage of your school's gym if they have one.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:40 UTC+1 No.21602612 Report

>>21602095
>use my security clearance to land a contracting job

Take it from me kiddo, no one gives a fuck about the secret clearance you got because you were attached to a special ops battalion as an admin clerk.
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muslimbro 06/16/14(Mon)22:42 UTC+1 No.21602634 Report

>>216012
I carry one in a galco kingtuk without printing unless I'm bending over. I'm 6ft and 185lbs , not chub but not ripped either if that gives you idea.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:48 UTC+1 No.21602689 Report

>>21601256
>No chance of printing
shoulder holster.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:49 UTC+1 No.21602708 Report

Why do a lot of people warn against CCing with a revolver? I was gifted a .38 revolver from my father, but everyone I have asked told me to keep it at home without explaining why I can't carry
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:52 UTC+1 No.21602735 Report

>>21602708
Probably because it's a sub par weapon compared to most modern semiautos. There's nothing inherently wrong with carrying one though. What sort of revolver is it?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:53 UTC+1 No.21602749 Report

>>21602612
Cool story, bro. There's plenty of intel jobs out there even with the cuts if you know where to look, and they pay well if you've got the right qualifications. Just because you spent your enlistment unclogging toilets doesn't mean the rest of us wasted our time.
>not that I'm seriously implying that you ever spent time in uniform
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)22:57 UTC+1 No.21602803 Report

>>21602579
Hmm. You're close to me, so that's solid advice. Tbf, in the summer I'm not as concerned about printing. If you don't have a problem from fall to spring maybe I'll give the G19 a shot.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:03 UTC+1 No.21602856 Report

>>21602735
It's a .38 Charter Arms, police trade-in according to my dad, and it's a solid little gun. I know it wouldn't be as good as some sort of semi-auto .45, but I already have it so I would rather use something I have then go buy something new
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:03 UTC+1 No.21602861 Report

>>21602749

>spent time unclogging toilets
I'll have you know that those toilets were used by colonels and generals. Now get in parade rest before I give your ass a page 11.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:05 UTC+1 No.21602897 Report

>>21602861
>top kek
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:12 UTC+1 No.21602979 Report

>>21601909
single stack glocks dont exst, but there a few guns that are just like them that do. those two that you named, the M@P series, some ther walthers, ect. all stiker fired polymer single stacks with the same function as a glock but different feels and prices. depends on what you want
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:12 UTC+1 No.21602991 Report

>>21602803
>Upper Midwest
>Close to WI
Are you a fellow UMD student? If so we should shoot sometime. Maybe do some work to decriminalize carry on campus.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:14 UTC+1 No.21603018 Report

>>21601909
I have pretty big hands so the glock 19 is the bare minum smalles gun I can use and even then its not the most comfy. I will admit its fucking fantastic all it can do along with its size but its like buying a pair of shoes. you have the find the kind that fit you specifically
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:15 UTC+1 No.21603044 Report

>>21602991
I'm not, no.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:19 UTC+1 No.21603100 Report

>>21602856
dont listen to >>21602735
theres nothing wrong with revovlers. they even have some advantages over semi autos. theyre just a different machine so you can really compare the two. some of the usual drawbacks are
>if it has a hammer, it can snag
>lol .38
>lol 5-6 rounds
a lot of this is subjective though. If you carry a larger frame revovler vs a snubbie for example. diffrent loads, different kinds, ect
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:20 UTC+1 No.21603107 Report

OP is insecure edgelord asking how to break campus policy in one of the worst firearm communities on the Net
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:21 UTC+1 No.21603121 Report

>>21603107
>how to break campus policy
If it's legal, who cares?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:21 UTC+1 No.21603124 Report

>>21601256
Yes, it is easy to carry. I'm 6'0 145lbs and carry it easy. I'm looking to get a G26 for obvious reasons.
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Trippin' Cannonballs 06/16/14(Mon)23:23 UTC+1 No.21603139 Report

>>21601256

Wait, you guys don't carry Glocks in your messenger bags?
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:26 UTC+1 No.21603192 Report

>>21601909
If you can go for the M&P Shield, the no safety model comes out now and is shipping.

The PPS and XDs do the same job just as well, but the Shield runs around $350-400 vs the $500+ for the others.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:31 UTC+1 No.21603252 Report

>>21602494
>first gun
>inexperienced at CCW
>everyone tells OP to go for a single stack.

That's perfectly good advice. Even if you want a Glock 19, you should always have a small pistol that can be viably carried no matter what.

For his situation, a Glock 19 isn't really the best idea to start off carrying with, especially at a college campus
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:33 UTC+1 No.21603283 Report

>>21602856
What model?
Also on the side of the barrel there will be the name of the town it was made in, that'll tell you the generation.
I've heard anything besides 1st generation is garbage, especially the newest stuff.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)23:36 UTC+1 No.21603309 Report

>>21603192
I held the Shield and the XDs, and while the grip on the Shield felt way better, the XDs felt and looked like far better quality machining. Still trying to find a PPS to inspect/hold.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)00:04 UTC+1 No.21603619 Report

>>21603283
Says it's from Shelton Connecticut, what difference is there between the 1st generation and later ones?

>>21603100
I know .38 is a fairly worthless round like the 40 short and weak, and it's only 5 round capacity, but it's a short revolver and easy to conceal, and the way I see it anything is better than nothing
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That Guy 06/17/14(Tue)00:05 UTC+1 No.21603635 Report

>>21601256

If you need deep carry, get something for deep carry. A Glock 19 does not fit that bill. I recently had to come to terms with the fact that my P30 runs an unacceptable risk of printing where I 100% can not afford to print.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)00:06 UTC+1 No.21603638 Report

>>21603619
>anything is better than nothing
This is definitely true.
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That Guy 06/17/14(Tue)00:09 UTC+1 No.21603676 Report

>>21603619

.38 has performance is on par with 9mm. Speer Gold Dot .38 was designed at the request of NYPD to mimic the terminal ballistics of their 9mm Glock 19s throwing 124 grain Gold Dot. Yes you're losing capacity, and yes your snub is going to be a nasty thing to shoot. But everything you need in terms of projectile to kill a man is there.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)00:45 UTC+1 No.21604088 Report

>>21603619
I found this from a quick Google search, just search "Charter Arms Generations" for more info

>http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-484135.html
Go about halfway down the page, there's a wall-o-text detailing the generations.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)00:47 UTC+1 No.21604107 Report

>>21602856
>>21603619
I found this from a quick Google search, just search "Charter Arms Generations" for more info

>http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-484135.html
Go about halfway down the page, there's a wall-o-text detailing the generations.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)00:53 UTC+1 No.21604158 Report

Sorry about the double post, my phone is acting up.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)03:40 UTC+1 No.21606312 Report

>>21601256
no
well, I mean it depends. I print a little with mine, but its not even that noticible unless youre trying to find it. I dont thinky thyre as brick like as people say either. My advie would be try a bunch of different holsters in clothes you normally wear. if you live a seasonal area, bring a set for each season.
the hoster is just as important as the gun and just like the gun there is no single right answer for everyone
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)03:45 UTC+1 No.21606359 Report

>>21601256
How about you just dont do it? Gun and campus in the same sentence to some people will spark wrong assumptions to some. Do you have a reason why you want to?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:01 UTC+1 No.21606591 Report

>>21606359
ill take ever last school shooting for 800 alex

seriosuly, if I could I (and a lot of other people. I asked) said if they could theyd bring something with them to campus. not just for shooters but for muggers, rapists, druggies and all that stuff they leave out of the college tours. Its not that I dont feel saf, but I dont feel 100% certain that something could never happen in a place thats entirely populated by frat boys, future drug addicts and alcaholics and the occasional city thug coming down to party and get some pussy
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:06 UTC+1 No.21606666 Report

what the hell is with everyone bitching about OP carrying on campus. If its legal, who cares?
I thought we wanted to implicate more carrying across the US
>b..but college kids will fuck it up
you are now aware there are colleges right now that allow students to carry and theres never been an issue. meanwhile all the anti gun campuses are getting shot up while the deans work from behind a desk a few miles away from where it happened. they dont give a fuck about my saftey, they give a fuck about my money. my saftey is my responsilibty
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That Guy 06/17/14(Tue)04:07 UTC+1 No.21606683 Report

>>21606666

>It's legal

You can also be expelled from the school for carrying a gun.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:10 UTC+1 No.21606715 Report

>>21606683
then thats up for OP to decide if he wants to risk it. If he does then its one him if he gets caught but its not like any legal action could be taken and we have another "crazy kid taking an assault pistol to aschool of chilluns" story on CNN
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:14 UTC+1 No.21606761 Report

if you're gunna get fucked use something thats way more concealable than that dammit.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:16 UTC+1 No.21606781 Report

>>21601256
why not just get a glock 26?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:18 UTC+1 No.21606808 Report

>>21606761
samefag here. i carry this. Sig P938. i know for a fact i can conceal it pretty fucking well. Glock 19? not so much. but i went to a community college so not absolutely necessary. before i got that holster i used the stock one which sucked so friends knew when i carry. some friends judge me over it but fuck them. now i don't worry at all. If i went to a college like toledo, i'd carry every fucking day.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:22 UTC+1 No.21606869 Report

>>21606808
well yea, with toledo's campus locale carrying should be required
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:34 UTC+1 No.21606981 Report

>>21606666
>>b..but college kids will fuck it up
The other thing is that some "college kids" are in their late 20s after doing military first. Shit, some guys in my class are in their late 40s.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:40 UTC+1 No.21607044 Report

>>21606591
>ill take ever last school shooting for 800 alex
>seriosuly, if I could I (and a lot of other people. I asked) said if they could theyd bring something with them to campus. not just for shooters but for muggers, rapists, druggies and all that stuff they leave out of the college tours. Its not that I dont feel saf, but I dont feel 100% certain that something could never happen in a place thats entirely populated by frat boys, future drug addicts and alcaholics and the occasional city thug coming down to party and get some pussy
This.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:45 UTC+1 No.21607126 Report

>>21601295
>>21601350
>no one has ever shot up a college campus
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:48 UTC+1 No.21607163 Report

>>21607126
>what was Virginia Tech
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:51 UTC+1 No.21607206 Report

>>21607163
and Oikos University too
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:54 UTC+1 No.21607244 Report

>>21601295
>>21601350
>went to Marquette University
>two blocks from gangland
>5-10 armed robberies on campus per semester
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:56 UTC+1 No.21607273 Report

>>21607244
Isn't that in the Twin Cities? Lucky it's only 5-10 if so.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)04:57 UTC+1 No.21607287 Report

>ITT:

>you don't NEEEEED to carry a gun!
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)05:01 UTC+1 No.21607329 Report

>>21607244
it's in milwaukee
i stayed in a hotel when touring the school then saw it later that year on gangland
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Sage 06/17/14(Tue)10:31 UTC+1 No.21610112 Report

What a bunch of faggots in /k/ now, smells of summer.

OP, concealed means concealed, now that said I usually carry a G30 (or did at this time, 2005 was graduation, now its a 30S) but I downsized for convenience and absolutely no printing.

I carried a J-frame for 4 years despite having the same issues as you. Noone ever noticed... I also carried a couple speed strips on my person too.

The only way anyone should ever know is that if Cho shows up and you have to either shoot him or get shot, or some fine African gentleman decides to culturally enrich you and check your privilege.

Concealed means Concealed.

Keep your Fucking Mouth shut (this is key, tell no one admit nothing deny everything).

Go to a smaller gun if your at all concerned about size (J-frame, PPS, Shield, XDS, LC9, Taurus 709 etc.)

You should be fine with your G19 though, I would have been with my 30, but due to paranoia I downsized.

Also clothing.

Don't dress like a metrosexual/faggot. No to skinny jeans, yes to button down shirts.

I like Comp-tac for my leather/kydex needs (Minotaur holster/Kydex reinforced gunbelt) buy a good gun belt though... it really helps a lot.

>>21601595

Fucking this.

Fuck knives.
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