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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:54 UTC+1 No.21912977 Report

Mini 14s are just fine.

People who bitch are mall ninjas.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:55 UTC+1 No.21912991 Report

>>21912977
Chauchats are just fine.

People who bitch are yanks.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:17 UTC+1 No.21913210 Report

F 117s are fine. People who bitch are Serbs.
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HoustonTXfag@ 07/11/14(Fri)22:23 UTC+1 No.21913252 Report

Id buy one if it wasnt 700+
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:23 UTC+1 No.21913255 Report

>>21912977
I don't want "just fine" I want "hammers all day"
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:25 UTC+1 No.21913271 Report

>>21912977
>People who bitch are mall ninjas.
Yep.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:28 UTC+1 No.21913316 Report

>more expensive than a mid tier AR
>expensive proprietary magazines
>shitty aftermarket
OP is a commiefornian trying to justify his purchase.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:19 UTC+1 No.21913847 Report

>>21912977
>Mini 14s are just fine.
Mini 14s today have been improved enough that they would have been worth buying back when the AWB was law. Back when the AWB was around, they were pretty shit.

They are not good enough for their price today, when you can piece together a low-mid tier AR for the same price, or a decent AK, or like three SKS.

I can think of no reason other than personal taste to choose a mini 14 over a VEPR in 5.56, or a mini 30 over a VEPR in 7.62x39. The VEPRs have chrome lined barrels, even.


>People who bitch are mall ninjas.

some of 'em. Ruger was a shit though. Ruger still kind of a shit.
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)23:38 UTC+1 No.21914035 Report

Drop the price by $200-300 and I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

ARs are nice, but I like wood stocks and rifle grips.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:38 UTC+1 No.21914707 Report

>>21913847
>I can think of no reason other than personal taste
And? Not everyone needs a bloated aftermarket for every gun they own. The Mini launches bullets as well as the AR or AK, is durable and lightweight to boot - lighter than most AR's, which is kind of funny considering how much aluminum and polymer that platform generally utilizes.
>>21914035
>Drop the price by $200-300
You really expect anyone here to produce a quality Garand-style rifle and sell it for a measly few hundred bucks?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)00:54 UTC+1 No.21914845 Report

>>21912991
They were

For some reason, the American produced ones were shit

I seriously have no idea why
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:01 UTC+1 No.21915548 Report

>>21914845
americans converted it from the its original cartridge and the conversions were done poorly
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)02:03 UTC+1 No.21915565 Report

>>21914707
Isn't it light because of thin barrel profile?
If you were to make a light ar I don't think it would be that different.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:19 UTC+1 No.21916460 Report

They're ok, if expensive. As others have said, there's no real reason to buy one unless you live in a state with an AWB. I'm planning on picking one up after I finish building my AR simply because I think they look cool (and bc I live in the PRK).
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:19 UTC+1 No.21916462 Report

>>21915565
The old ones were pretty thin. Thinner than the original M16 pencil barrel. I measured my 183 series one day and it was thinner than any other rifle I had including my .22lrs. The magazine is longer on the inside than an AR-15 mag though.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:23 UTC+1 No.21916538 Report

>>21912977
I agree, OP.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:56 UTC+1 No.21916983 Report

>>21916538

topkek
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)03:59 UTC+1 No.21917012 Report

This is better
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:22 UTC+1 No.21917264 Report

>>21917012

That is unnatural.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:23 UTC+1 No.21917270 Report

>>21917264

It is sexy.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:25 UTC+1 No.21917285 Report

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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:25 UTC+1 No.21917298 Report

>>21917270

To each his own I suppose, just doesn't feel right to me.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:39 UTC+1 No.21917455 Report

>>21917298

Why
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:41 UTC+1 No.21917479 Report

>>21917298

I wish my SKS was a -D or -M

That said, I won't use tapco mags or try to convert mine, but I still wish I had one
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:45 UTC+1 No.21917509 Report

>>21917479

If I had a shitty chink SKS to throw away, I'd try to have it converted.

Won't risk my Russian though.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:47 UTC+1 No.21917531 Report

This thread literally made me pull out my SKS, now it's chilling in my lap.

>oh the smells

I love you sometimes /k/
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:51 UTC+1 No.21917588 Report

>>21917531

Glorious cosmoline and CLP infusion.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:54 UTC+1 No.21917614 Report

>>21917479
appearently, the -D and -M are late-model norinco shit.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)04:59 UTC+1 No.21917659 Report

>>21917614

But also as far as I know the only ones to accept AK mags from the factory

Also
>>21917588

I've never posted myself on /k/, but the smells made me do it
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:12 UTC+1 No.21917794 Report

>>21912977
I shot one. They're not bad but they're inferior to their most realistic competition.
>more expensive that their competition of relative quality
>not as accurate
>expensive ass magazines
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:13 UTC+1 No.21917804 Report

>>21917659

Ain't nothin' to it

/k/ made me do it
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:15 UTC+1 No.21917822 Report

They perform about the same as a DPMS AR,

They cost more than a DPMS AR.

That kind of fuckery will never get my business.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:17 UTC+1 No.21917849 Report

>>21912977
Anon, I'm sorry but the old ones straight up suck, they're still overpriced, and they don't use STANAG magazines.

The Mini14 should be like $600 and use STANAG magazines, I'd be all over it if that were the case.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:18 UTC+1 No.21917857 Report

>>21914707

>You really expect anyone here to produce a quality Garand-style rifle and sell it for a measly few hundred bucks?

Norinco has been doing it for years, too bad Clinton fucked you on that one.

>the nineties was literally the dumbest 10 years the human race has ever experienced, bar none

Honestly, I'm amazed I even learned how to read.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:31 UTC+1 No.21917989 Report

>>21912977
I mean they're fine, but why would you ever want one though?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:45 UTC+1 No.21918114 Report

>>21917804

Yours a sino-soviet too?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:47 UTC+1 No.21918136 Report

>>21918114

Da. Got it from Classic during their Christmas sale.

Also just got done refinishing it, that brown lacquer was ugly to look at.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:49 UTC+1 No.21918156 Report

>>21912977
I agree OP. The first FA my dad let me shoot regularly was an AC556. Never any problems. Ruger even services them if you send them in. Had to rebarrel at ~50k round mark as it was getting sloppy.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)05:51 UTC+1 No.21918179 Report

>>21918136

I got mine from classic as well, but it was about a year ago (June if I recall) I haven't refinished or dicked with my finish because I enjoy it being nicked and beaten, so I don't have to worry about adding one more dent
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)06:03 UTC+1 No.21918312 Report

>>21918156
same poster

The only things I'd change would be the selector mechanic as it took some getting used to, over time the folding stock release would take a lot of force to operate, and my father used it as a truck gun for mowing down coyotes and the bluing didn't hold up as well as other finishes would have.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:02 UTC+1 No.21918914 Report

>>21917849
>should use STANAG magazines
GTFO
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:18 UTC+1 No.21919051 Report

>>21918914

You would rather an asspensive mag that only one gun uses over a basically universal one?
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:24 UTC+1 No.21919098 Report

>>21918156
Ruger stopped servicing them several years ago
they were the last factory supported transferable F/A guns
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:29 UTC+1 No.21919136 Report

the mini-14 series are damn good guns. they just aren't worth what they go for.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:34 UTC+1 No.21919169 Report

>>21919098
Ah, didn't know that. Had it rebarrelled in the mid 90's.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:52 UTC+1 No.21919288 Report

>>21919051
>Muh STANAG mags
Mini-14 magazines are not that expensive. If I want a gun that uses AR-15 mags, that's what I have an AR-15 for. Mini-14 magazines are better anyway.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)07:58 UTC+1 No.21919354 Report

>>21912977
Make it so they accept ar mags and i will purchase one.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)09:13 UTC+1 No.21919891 Report

>>21919288

>Mini-14 magazines are better anyway.

I came here to laugh at you
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)11:05 UTC+1 No.21920462 Report

How hard would it be to modify a standard AR mag to fit a mini 14? They look fairly similar...
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)15:50 UTC+1 No.21921595 Report

But but but I've bought 2 minis for 300 a piece, after sandy hook
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)16:01 UTC+1 No.21921661 Report

>>21921595
Liar.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)16:08 UTC+1 No.21921698 Report

>>21921661
hes not. There were a bunch of police trade ins floating around for a while, and they ran that cheap. I picked up a nebraska parks and game gb for 375 at a police supply store about two years ago. Why I didnt buy every one they had (only three left out of 20) Ill never know
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)16:09 UTC+1 No.21921705 Report

>>21921698
Maaaan. I've been wanting to pick one up for my fuddy dad for a long while now, but don't want to pay 700 for one.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)17:07 UTC+1 No.21922085 Report

>>21920462

You'd have to grind the feed lips to shape, and if you didn't permafuck it it would WASR-10 tier. i.e. horrendous mag wobble and never-ending feed issues.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)17:20 UTC+1 No.21922202 Report

Yugo N-PAPs are just fine.

People who bitch are kebab.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)17:49 UTC+1 No.21922452 Report

>>21920462
Completely impossible. Ruger made sure of that. Not a big deal now that tapco is produching pretty nice polys at the right price.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)17:55 UTC+1 No.21922522 Report

I would love to get a Mini 14 ranch rifle for my father.

He loves the Garand, he loves my Norinco m1a clone. He's a big Ruger fan thanks to my 10/22. He would love a mini 14. Too bad it seems like Keltec is more common than ruger products these days.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)21:45 UTC+1 No.21924783 Report

>>21913252
Buy one used.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)22:24 UTC+1 No.21925151 Report

>>21922202
They will never understand.
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)22:30 UTC+1 No.21925214 Report

>>21912977
No, people who buy mini-14's are mall ninja's.

It's like the people who buy Cold Steel Knives and think they are the shit.

Mini-14's are frequently in the lowest of tier sporting goods store, where serious, actually gun stores don't carry many of them.

I bet you think the shit you bought at Macy's was totally unique and high quality!
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)22:47 UTC+1 No.21925386 Report

>>21922202

I just oredered one today and I am so excited
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Anonymous 07/12/14(Sat)23:55 UTC+1 No.21926021 Report

>>21917509
>If I had a shitty chink SKS to throw away, I'd try to have it converted.

Can be done, go find a cheap Albanian or Yugo throw-away or something, and get to work, or find a gunsmith who knows how.

Then get a bakelite magazine and put it all in a black Tapco stock to make some autist blow a headgasket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOXa_cjeS8E
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)00:28 UTC+1 No.21926363 Report

I don't know why people hate on them, Or why on earth the constantly compare them to ARs.

Its a small rifle you throw in your truck and when you see a varmint or coyote, You shoot it. Its not for engaging enemy combatants from 200+ yards away...
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:02 UTC+1 No.21927303 Report

My mini 14 gets here the 21st.

Its an older 182 series but I have an accu-strut kit on the way as well.

Gotta love that wood furniture and classic action!
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:44 UTC+1 No.21927777 Report

mfw people expect a varmint rifle to perform like an AR.
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TooOldToBeHere 07/13/14(Sun)02:47 UTC+1 No.21927815 Report

>>21927777
quads get.

also, the mini-14 only got popular before AR-15's became more affordable. there is absolutely no reason to get one now when a batter than mil-spec AR can be had for the same price.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:50 UTC+1 No.21927856 Report

>>21927777

these are the same people who bitch about the AK's effective range of 200-300 meters. like really bitch? you expect a carbine-length rifle to do the job of a marksman?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:51 UTC+1 No.21927871 Report

>>21927777

quads confirm
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:55 UTC+1 No.21927919 Report

>>21927815
>when a batter than mil-spec AR can be had for the same price.
is this true tripfag?
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TooOldToBeHere 07/13/14(Sun)02:58 UTC+1 No.21927959 Report

>>21927919
well, considering the mini-14 street price is over $1000, i would say absolutely. you can get a DPMS(which are used as training rifles in the US military) for $650 new. i have seen them for $500 used surplus.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)02:59 UTC+1 No.21927974 Report

>>21912977
I had one got back in the late 90s it was cheaper and more reliable than an AR, accuracy was never as bad as people claim. However today the gun although improved is overpriced for what it is, the fact that it doesn't and can't be converted to use AR15 type magazines is another major downside. The AR mags have become so common that it is full retard to make a proprietary mag with no feasible method of conversion. otherwise as much of a functional weapon as it is it is no longer viable or generally affordable although you can still find old GBs on the market for around $500
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)03:01 UTC+1 No.21927993 Report

>>21927959
>well, considering the mini-14 street price is over $1000
Where?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)04:47 UTC+1 No.21929073 Report

Can the Mini Thirty take standard AK mags? I really want a decent 7.62x39 rifle but it needs to take AK mags if I am going to spend money on it.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)04:49 UTC+1 No.21929095 Report

>>21914845
the americans used their own ammo, which didnt work properly withe the factory ejector
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scumbag tweaker. 07/13/14(Sun)04:52 UTC+1 No.21929119 Report

>>21929073
Just buy a fucking AK then
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)04:55 UTC+1 No.21929157 Report

>>21929119
I live in Commiefornia, not going to happen for an AK unless I build a flat the find a parts kit that is compatible.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:01 UTC+1 No.21929234 Report

>>21929157

You can have pump AKs
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:02 UTC+1 No.21929253 Report

>>21919288
This is my first actual post in over a year. I'm wasting it to make it known to you that you are an idiot.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:04 UTC+1 No.21929282 Report

>>21929196
>>21929234
Sorry but that sounds like the stupidest shit ever. The only way I would ever consider that is if I lived in a real shit hole like aussiland.

I can use a Mini Thirty style stock on an AK no problem. I'm not getting into Cali's bullshit confiscation scheme, I plan to move out of state within 2 years.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:16 UTC+1 No.21929429 Report

>>21917857
>Quality
>Norinco
Those m305's are pretty shitty. Not properly heat treated and most gi parts won't work without being fitted.
>>21917849
>The Mini14 should be like $600
They used to be even cheaper than that. Now Ruger somehow thinks that they're shitting out gold or something now with their new models costing between $650-800
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:16 UTC+1 No.21929445 Report

>>21929429

Bill Ruger might have passed, but his spirit lives on his children's eminent Judaism.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:17 UTC+1 No.21929453 Report

>>21927959
please stop. new 581 series are going for around $680 new. i paid 660.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)05:23 UTC+1 No.21929543 Report

>>21919288
Mini-14 magazines are made very well and are better in that respect to Gi mags. Outside of that, they're garbage tier.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)07:07 UTC+1 No.21930786 Report

>>21929543
>Mini-14 magazines are made very well
>Outside of that, they're garbage tier.
What?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)07:21 UTC+1 No.21930944 Report

>>21929429
>They used to be even cheaper than that.
No shit? How many decades ago?
>Now Ruger somehow thinks that they're shitting out gold or something now with their new models costing between $650-800
Sounds reasonable to me.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)07:47 UTC+1 No.21931246 Report

>>21917012
>>21917285
>>21917455
don't those removable mag SKS have bad feeding issues?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)07:51 UTC+1 No.21931290 Report

>>21929429
>Those m305's are pretty shitty. Not properly heat treated and most gi parts won't work without being fitted.
topkek, are you reading some online post from the States fudd website circa 2002?

since 2004, all the hardening issues have been solved. no more soft bolts.

and the Norc receivers are built from forged parts on original GI tooling amerifags sold them in late 60s, so no, most parts on it are MORE to GI spec and everything you want to replace is a drop-in
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:17 UTC+1 No.21931582 Report

>>21929453
>>21927993
>>21927919
Reminder that TooOldToBeHere is a gun-grabbing dipshit and his tongue is silver, do not trust a word he says.

And for fucks sake, where would you ever find a Mini-14 for 1000 dollars? You'd at best get 1000 dollars for a 2008 NRA Mini-14, but that's stretching it.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:31 UTC+1 No.21931732 Report

Canadafag here. For us, the Mini is a very nice little carbine that we can take anywhere we want. AR's are Restricted class guns up here so we can only bring them to a shooting range. That's it. So the Mini is popular with guys who a fast acting reliable semi-auto for an EDC type rifle.

I owned one for a while last year and it was nice but I had a hard-on for a Tavor so I sold the mini- a vz-58 and a thureon defense carbine just to be able to afford it. I know they run around 2k$ in the states but they're over 3kS here.

Anyway, the Mini is great and if I couldn't afford the Tavor I would have had no problem sticking with the Mini.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:34 UTC+1 No.21931759 Report

>>21931246
No.

The SKS-D and SKS-M are made from the factory to use AKM magazines. The bolt, bolt-carrier, magwell, magazine release and receiver is different from a regular SKS, an AKM magazine will fit and lock in, the bolt will pick up rounds from the magazine and load them into the chamber.

What you're probably thinking about is aftermarket 30 round FIXED magazines for the SKS, these are generally considered to be sketchy, and will largely not perform very well if you attach and detach them regularly.

What can be done, is that you can modify an SKS to accept AKM magazines, it's a fair bit of work, but if you know what you're doing, it can be done. Fun fact is that you can use the stripper-clip guide to empty stripper-clips into the AKM magazines this way.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:36 UTC+1 No.21931781 Report

>>21929429
>They used to be even cheaper than that.
Reminder that old Mini-14's were inconsistent pieces of junk a lot of the time, and that their low pricetag was justified.
580 series Mini-14s are better in just about every way and the pricetag shows.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:46 UTC+1 No.21931878 Report

>>21931246
Those are factory made to take AK magazines. Norinco made them.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:59 UTC+1 No.21931998 Report

Other Canadafag here, Kinda new to /k

Found a gun store by my house that's supposedly has stripper clip SKSs and both the regular and sniper variants of the Mosin Nagants, both going for roughly 200 CAD.

Is this a good deal? if so, which one you guys recommend i get? Still only have my Minor's License, grand father offered to buy the gun with my money, and then register it to my name when i get a PAL. I've had a decent amount of time using his guns, but I need to get a gun in time for the Long Gun Deer Season, because i don't feel like trying to aim through crooked sights again.

Thanks.

[spoiler]Link here: http://www.alflahertys.com/collections/firearms/products/soviet-cccp-mosin-nagant-91-30-7-62x54r[/spoiler]
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)08:59 UTC+1 No.21932004 Report

>>21915548
This. The original French Chauchats were "converted" to from 8x50R Lebel to 30/06 by boring out the chamber with a .30/06 chamber reamer. No alterations were made to the curved magazine, designed for a rimmed cartridge. The .323" diameter bore was unchanged. The bolt, ejector, and extractor were unchanged.

The Belgians built the Chauchat under license in 7.7x54mm Belgian Mauser and those actually worked--because they redesigned the bolt and magazine and used a barrel of the appropriate caliber. In the 1920s and 1930s they sold them off to the Poles, who converted them to 8x57mm Mauser, and had no problems with them.
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Same as ^ 07/13/14(Sun)09:01 UTC+1 No.21932013 Report

>>21931998
>Spoilers didn't work when i crtl+S
mfw
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:03 UTC+1 No.21932043 Report

>>21917794
This is true.

Remember that the Mini-14 was designed in the early 1970s, to be sold to police departments who liked M1 Carbines but knew the cheap government surplus .30 Carbine ammo was drying up, and who liked the 5.56mm cartridge but didn't want to pay Colt prices for an SP1 (they were way expensive back when Colt had no competition). Some also say that police departments wanted a wooden-stocked semiauto carbine in 5.56mm because they felt the general public had a very negative view of the "sinister looking" AR15, possibly associating it with the very unpopular war in Vietnam.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:04 UTC+1 No.21932053 Report

>>21917989
For some people it's a personal preference. I know some guys who were in the Army or Marines back when they still issued the M14, and they like that Garand type safety on the Mini.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:06 UTC+1 No.21932065 Report

>>21919136
A month ago I was in a gun store and saw a used one for $479, including a cheap Chinese scope.

The new ones are way too much money, I agree. But you can sometimes find used ones at good prices.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:10 UTC+1 No.21932095 Report

>>21931290
>and the Norc receivers are built from forged parts on original GI tooling amerifags sold them in late 60s

>Norinco
>in Red China
>buying US M14 tooling
>before Nixon opened relations with them
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:13 UTC+1 No.21932118 Report

>>21931781
the old minis balanced better and felt lighter changing the barrel profile made it shoot better and handle slightly worse
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:15 UTC+1 No.21932130 Report

>>21931998
A mosin will get you out a little further but an SKS is fine for deer under 100 yards. The cartridge is capable at killing much further than that but SKS's aren't exactly renowned for their accuracy. 4 moa at 100 seems standard. The mosin shoots a more powerful cartridge and can really knock a new guy around. It's more because of the shape of the stock than anything. The sniper variants generally go for around 600$ and they've got a shitty WW2 fixed power scope on them. Not worth the money if you're not a collector. Get the normal one if you don't want to waste your money.

Anyway, either one will be good for deer and chances are if you're hunting in southern Ontario you won't be shooting much, if any, farther than 100ish yards. Al's is good to deal with from what I hear. You've got your minors permit so go in with your grandpa and get him to ask to check them out. He can hand them to you and you can shoulder them, see which one fits best. Then, get him to go back the next day or next week and get the one you wanted. That way you'll know you're getting something you like and it doesn't look like he's buying it for you in front of the store clerk. Also, the long gun registry is dead. You won't need to register it. Cheers and good luck. Always nice to see younger guys getting into hunting.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:18 UTC+1 No.21932152 Report

This guy used a Mini 14 and it jammed on him:

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25664647/listen-chilling-audio-by-killer-minnesota-teens

Also what weapons would you use to defend your home from such an attack? I prefer a pump shotgun.

>home broken into several times
>guns stolen
>afraid they are coming back yet again and might be armed
>be in own home
>shoot intruders
>have proof and audio record of the break-in
>nobody contests the fact the buglers broke into the house
>be convicted of murder

What can we do to stop the Liberals from getting their way in cases like this?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:19 UTC+1 No.21932155 Report

>>21932130
Oh and I forgot to mention. If it's a dedicated hunting rifle you're looking for, you might want to look into the savage axis and ruger American line of rifles. Both will shoot inch groups at 100 yards and aren't much more expensive than the mosin/sks. They're great introductory rifles for a young hunter.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:22 UTC+1 No.21932173 Report

>>21932152
simply shoot and shut the fuck up
audio record doesnt help when you sound like a creepy fuck and its obvious you executed the second one
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:25 UTC+1 No.21932189 Report

>>21932173

>Ruger mini 14 jams
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:27 UTC+1 No.21932203 Report

>>21931246

Mine runs fine, even with absolute garbage ProMag plastic magazines
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:30 UTC+1 No.21932213 Report

>>21932130
Thanks.

I was looking around on the site a bit more, saw a few other rifles that i might be interested in, But i only have $500 at the moment and i'm saving up for a new PC, because i'm on a 5 year old laptop and it's really crapping out on me now and i need it for schoolwork. So i might go with the SKS, if it doesn't have as much kick as the Mosin. my grandpa told that the kick on larger caliber weapons hurts like a mofo. When i have enough cash for the Mosin later, I'll probably get it when i'm more accustomed to shooting. I'd probably be hunting up by Parry Sound/Sudbury, so a little north of Toronto because there's only a week of shotgun hunting down here in the middle of bow hunting. Also i didn't know the registry was dead, was this recent?

Thanks for the advice though.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:33 UTC+1 No.21932243 Report

>>21932152
Self defense is justified when your life or grevious injury is imminent. Subduing and executing does not fall under a plausible self-defense plea.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:42 UTC+1 No.21932278 Report

>>21932152
This is another problem we used to see a lot with the Mini.

The factory 20 round mags for the Mini are well designed and well made, and are good to go. Some factory 30s are spotty in some guns, but there aren't a lot of factory 30s out there and never have been.

Back before Bill Ruger died, Ruger had a policy of selling those 20 and 30 round Mini mags to law enforcement only. So the guy who bought a Mini for SHTF was generally stuck with aftermarket mags if he wanted something holding more than five rounds and didn't luck into some used LEO tradein mags at a gun show.

And 99% of aftermarket Mini-14 mags were absolute turds. It's not a complex mag design and it shouldn't have been difficult to make mags that worked, but--

There were transparent plastic Mini mags from Ram-Line and Eagle. They didn't work. There were steel mags from USA Magazines. They didn't work. There was one company called PMI, Precision Magazine Incorporated. Their mags looked exactly like Ruger factory mags, including having the little locking block at the rear a solid piece of metal that was welded or brazed on, instead of a little hump punched out of the sheet metal tube from inside, like the USA mags. There were rumors that PMI (not to be confused with Pro-Mag) was the contractor that made real Ruger mags. Their mags were usually pretty solid, in most guns, and if they didn't work in yours, you could probably hard fit them to your gun and make them work by brazing on a bit of extra metal at the bottom of the rear locking block and filing it down until it just locked into place, raising the rear of the magazine, or welding a little bead on and filing it down bit by bit. Unfortunately PMI went out of business during the 1994 Klinton Ban.

Nowadays you can go into gun stores and they have Ruger factory 20 round mags for $27.99 in big bins. But back in the day, if you wanted to use a Mini for self-defense, you had to use the factory 5 rounder or else pray a lot.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:43 UTC+1 No.21932283 Report

>>21932152
You again? Fuck off with your ghoulish shit, nobody, and I mean NOBODY in their right mind sides with that creepy fuck.

>inb4 libruls
Not liking a creepy old fuck literally executing a neutralized threat while they're begging for mercy, while recording it and pitching one-liners, does not make you a liberal, it makes you a regular fucking person.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:48 UTC+1 No.21932312 Report

>>21932213
The Mosin-Nagant uses a pretty powerful Russian cartridge, the 7.62x54mm Rimmed. It can belt you a good one, especially in a short, lightweight firearm like an M44 carbine. A 12 gauge shotgun will probably feel like it kicks more, though, especially if you are using the heavy ammo like slugs or buckshot. I don't know if you're experienced with shotguns.

The SKS uses the same 7.62x39mm cartridge as an AKM. It is about as powerful as the .30/30 Winchester and can be used to hunt the same game animals, if you get decent quality softpoint ammunition. Recoil is pretty mild, and you may find the SKS more pleasant to shoot than a Mosin-Nagant for that reason.

I am a Murrican and don't have any reliable information about your firearms laws or your firearms registry up that way, however.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:49 UTC+1 No.21932321 Report

>>21932278
I found pic related to be relatively handy.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)09:59 UTC+1 No.21932401 Report

>>21932321
>
Thanks for the picture.

One other problem that is common with the older Mini-14s with the old style rear sight was that the rear sight aperture was a stamped piece of sheet metal and not especially well fitted. On many Minis you can put your fingertip on the aperture and under very light finger pressure it will wobble freely a millimeter or more from side to side. This is not conducive to accuracy.

Williams used to make, and maybe still does, a rear sight designed to drop into the old-style Mini sight base. It has 1/4 MOA click adjustments and actually holds zero, and is threaded for interchangeable apertures. And properly installed, it doesn't wobble side to side. This all by itself can improve accuracy significantly, especially for those individuals who have what some might call an irrational attachment to iron sights.

It is also generally mentioned in Mini threads that some of the older Minis got shipped with visibly crooked muzzle crowns. Getting a gunsmith to shorten the barrel to 16" or so, to stay legal, and recrown it will make it more rigid, improving accuracy. Also, while we're working on the barrel, the Mini's gas block is attached with four Allen screws, which are often cranked down to visibly differing tensions; I have seen Mnis where one corner was cranked down so hard that the gas block was visibly crooked. Taking those screws out and putting them back in again to an even torque all the way around also helps the Mini's accuracy.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)10:01 UTC+1 No.21932416 Report

>>21932312
Ah, I see. This one firearms place a few towns over said that even a 20 gauge would probably have the same kick as a 12 gauge due to the weight difference and the size of the shot. Getting the firearms shouldn't be hard, as long as i have all the proper stuff it shouldn't be a problem, finding ammunition for a Soviet era center fire rifle may be though. Ak's have been illegal to own in Canada without a prohibited license since the 90's, so i'm not sure if they stopped the importing of the 7.62x39mm ammunition or not.

I'll double check the long gun registry stuff for up here later, It's like 5:00 am here and i've been up since 8 working in a crowded ass deli. might go to bed, maybe.

But again, Thanks for the advice, I'm gonna see about trying to get into a gun club soon so i can use a range as soon as i buy the rifle.

[spoiler]Will probably come back here after with pics[/spoiler]

Meanwhile, Have a pic of my first goose hunt i guess. twas fun, bagged 3 on the first day. also fuck did i look retarded then.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)10:02 UTC+1 No.21932428 Report

>>21932416
Why does spoilers hate me?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)10:04 UTC+1 No.21932446 Report

>>21932428
[spoiler]I think spoilers only work on certain specific boards.[/spoiler]
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)10:06 UTC+1 No.21932465 Report

>>21932446
Oh.

Might as well fuck up as a newfag to /k, it'd be more embarrassing to screw up a spoiler if i'd be on here for a while.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)11:58 UTC+1 No.21933012 Report

>>21932465
Eh, everyone fucks up at first. Just make sure to learn from your mistakes.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:04 UTC+1 No.21933030 Report

>>21933012
Will do, I'm surprised though, This board seems pretty relaxed compared to others. I figured i would see something like:
>lel
>newfag
>aren't you too young to gun?

after saying i only had a minor's license. But no, you guys showed me otherwise, It's good to see that no one's gone full retard over the tumblr vs 4chan thing.

Defiantly gonna see about the SKS though, i just finished composing an email inquiring about whether or not it and the Mosin would be classified as Restricted or Non Restricted Firearms, because if it's the former, then i'm screwed until i get a PAL and a restricted license.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:09 UTC+1 No.21933049 Report

>>21933030
/pol/ leaks in through a crack in the ceiling occasionally, but generally, most people around here are always interested in spreading hobbies and rights.

We like fun, we like defense, and we like curious examples of firearms history. Largely a libertarian board, freedom for everyone.

Three of the objects in this picture are magazines, the rest are clips, can you identify them?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:10 UTC+1 No.21933050 Report

>>21912977
>has never held an AK-74 or compared the recoil to an AR-15
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:11 UTC+1 No.21933052 Report

>>21913316
this
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:12 UTC+1 No.21933058 Report

>>21925386
underfolders are awesome guns, I hope you enjoy removing many paper target with it
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:12 UTC+1 No.21933060 Report

>>21913316
>>21933052
Maybe he just thinks the rifle is nice to have and shoot? I know an AR is better in most every regard, but there's so few rifles like the Mini-14, I like that about it.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:14 UTC+1 No.21933065 Report

>>21933049
The curved magazine on the left, possibly for an AK or an M-4, the handgun magazine, front right, and the rifle mag in the back. The rest are stripper clips i think.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:15 UTC+1 No.21933067 Report

>>21932095
pretty sure foreign countries have lots of American gun tooling
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:18 UTC+1 No.21933077 Report

>>21933060
I'm getting bad vibes from that particular rifle's construction, look at the fucking screws holding the hand-guard retainer together?

You don't have that shit on serious war implements.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:28 UTC+1 No.21933114 Report

>>21933065
Curved magazine is a M1/M2 Carbine 30 round magazine. The pistol magazine is a 1911 magazine. The rifle magazine is I'm pretty sure is for an SMLE.

>>21933077
I think there's aftermarket alternatives available, but the regular Mini-14 was never intended as a warzone weapon.

Pic related is an AC-556k in a tacticool stock, much better suited than a regular Mini-14, but still maybe questionable.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:32 UTC+1 No.21933131 Report

>>21933114
would need better photos of it's construction
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:33 UTC+1 No.21933134 Report

>>21931290
>original GI tooling amerifags sold them in late 60s

Stop spreading this shit we sold the tooling to taiwan you fucking retard.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:35 UTC+1 No.21933148 Report

>>21933114
Ah, I've never been good at identifying magazines for weapons. Not too shabby at identifying guns.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:43 UTC+1 No.21933186 Report

>>21933131
It's a Clyde Armory SCAR stock-set.
Seems to only weigh 1 pound by itself, but you still have those screws at the front for the handguard, just the nature of the Mini-14 I guess. Still, if I were to tactical an actual AC-556k, this would be the stock I would use, with the Galil/FAL style folding-stock on the AR style mounting bracket, like on that first pic.

Mini-14's are largely pretty reliable though, usually cycle well as long as you use factory magazines.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:46 UTC+1 No.21933202 Report

For me it's not what minis are but rather what they're not.

They're not an M1 Carbine
They're not an M14
They're not an M1 Garand


If I want a 100 yard gun I'll get a carbine.

If I want something that will reach out further I'll get an M14

If I want a gun for aesthetic purposes or just because I think it's cool I'll grab a Garand because some can still be had for cheaper than a Mini.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:49 UTC+1 No.21933222 Report

>>21933202
Mini-14 has longer range than a Carbine, also cheaper ammo.
It's lighter than an M14 or Garand, and also cheaper to shoot.

That's not to say I don't love all these guns, but I think it's so goddamn neat.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)12:57 UTC+1 No.21933246 Report

>>21933222
I just personally don't see the point. From a performance perspective ARs are better. For the aesthetic/cool factor I'd rather have a Garand, Carbine, or M14.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)13:03 UTC+1 No.21933278 Report

>>21933246
So you both agree to disagree and keep on shootin and buying what y'all both like.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)13:07 UTC+1 No.21933302 Report

>>21933278
Yeah pretty much. I'm not one of the people who spergs out over guy liking minis. I can understand why some people like them they're just not my personal choice.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)13:09 UTC+1 No.21933309 Report

>>21933222
While I agree it is a neat family of rifles, as soon as money is concerned, AR-15 all the way baby.

Plus aftermarket, and different manufacturers.
All the top-tier MFGRs are probably making AR-15s.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)13:12 UTC+1 No.21933332 Report

>inferior to AR-15 in every conceivable way
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)13:14 UTC+1 No.21933341 Report

Shoot what you like to shoot and whatever you shoot well.

All other opinions are fucking useless.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)14:05 UTC+1 No.21933625 Report

>>21933341
What if someone think it's a great idea to shoot a smoothbore singleshot .25ACP slamfire gun?

It'd work, and it might just kill a man, but would you advise it?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)15:50 UTC+1 No.21934223 Report

>>21912977

They're shit, even today they're shit.

The accuracy of these things drop dramatically as soon as the barrel gets hot, yes it can be fixed with aftermarket parts and such, but it is no where near worth the price.

The only real market they're applicable to is the Canadian market, where ARs are restricted and these are non-restricted.

But even still, the mini-30 doesn't compare to an SKS or a VZ85, and the mini-14 isn't worth it if you can get a T97 which can accept AR mags and be far more accurate.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)16:07 UTC+1 No.21934362 Report

>>21917012
>inb4 Ivan Chesnokov
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)16:18 UTC+1 No.21934472 Report

>>21934223
>The accuracy of these things drop dramatically as soon as the barrel gets hot
They aren't pencil barrels anymore grampa.

>>21934362
>Chinese SKS-D
>Comes from the factory ready to use AK mags
>Ivan
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)16:27 UTC+1 No.21934549 Report

>>21932152
>>21932283
>two unarmed teenagers who've been led to believe they're entering an unoccupied house
>threat
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)16:45 UTC+1 No.21934694 Report

>>21932283
Liberal gun grabber you are
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:46 UTC+1 No.21935179 Report

>>21932152

why would anyone buy a Ruger Mini 14 after reading this?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:51 UTC+1 No.21935215 Report

>>21934694
It's Funny, If you had asked me before I started firing guns, I woulda told you Gun control was what america needed to keep firearms out of the hands of dangerous people, but after a highschool project, getting my gun license and actually seeing what it's like to go to a gun store and firing a few gun at range, That problem shouldn't be with the system. Concealed Carry helps people would otherwise be overpowered in a situation get out of it, they don't even have to fire it. Responsible gun owners are the ones fox news and the like rarely bring to light, Always the ones who have enough guns for everyone in their family and then some, and that the only guns that ever get stolen are the ones that are just left lying in plain sight for anyone to grab.

It's funny how perception can change once people put down their earmuffs and listen to what's actually going on.

have a mosin too
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:54 UTC+1 No.21935242 Report

>>21934694
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:56 UTC+1 No.21935263 Report

>>21935215
>gun license
Idk where you love but get fucked commie. The gun community is awful because of you types. The niggers got into the country club.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:57 UTC+1 No.21935277 Report

Stop with this thread necromancy
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:58 UTC+1 No.21935290 Report

>>21935263
>implying i'm not just a canadafag.
>implying i don't think regulations here are really damn strict
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:59 UTC+1 No.21935297 Report

>>21935277
Most of the threads on this board are garbage.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:00 UTC+1 No.21935307 Report

>>21935179
Creepy fucker probably used Tapco or ProMags.
Makes my bones chill, hope he gets raped in prison.

>>21935263
He should fight for his rights indeed, but he has to make the best out of the situation he's in.

>>21935277
>implying there's any rules against bumping threads
Get out newfag.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:03 UTC+1 No.21935336 Report

I'd agree with you.

If they were $200 cheaper. Charging the same amount for a mid-tier AR that is better in every way, in a time where the AWB is little more than a bad, distant dream, is retarded.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:03 UTC+1 No.21935338 Report

>>21935307
>killing a home invader makes you a creepy fucker now

Just like Zimmerman standing his ground made him a creepy CRACKA
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:07 UTC+1 No.21935381 Report

>>21935307
>Creepy fucker probably used Tapco or ProMags.

>defending home
>creepy

>speculating on mag use when you don't know
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:09 UTC+1 No.21935398 Report

>>21932152
Creepy old fucker wasn't right in the face.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:11 UTC+1 No.21935415 Report

>>21932152

why did she go in after hearing the gunshots

also i bet she was letter her cousin come insider her
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:14 UTC+1 No.21935428 Report

>>21935381
>dragging a still breathing criminal to your basement
>executing her with stupid one liners and a .22
>wrapping the bodies in tarp
>staying with them all night before telling the police
>not creepy

>tapco and promags
>most widely used aftermarket mags
>notorious for not feeding well
>his gun jammed
>implying that's not a good guess
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:15 UTC+1 No.21935442 Report

>>21935381
>>21935338
>records himself speaking oneliners
>waits for them to show up
>shoots them down
>then proceeds to execute then when they're down
>suspect is pleading for her life, any threat, real or potential, is neutralized
>murders her

He was in his rights to shoot them down, but not to fucking execute them.

I'm fucking sick of you posting your edgelord bullshit, fuck off to >>>/r9k/ with your fucked up shit.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:15 UTC+1 No.21935443 Report

>>21935415
>why did she go in after hearing the gunshots

ummm, how do you know that?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:18 UTC+1 No.21935466 Report

>>21935442
>waits for them to show up
So if I'm sitting in my house and someone breaks in I'm waiting for them to show up? And the dude said the girl raised her hand up he thought she had a gun so he shot again.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:19 UTC+1 No.21935471 Report

>>21935466
What about the other guy? did he raise his hand too?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:19 UTC+1 No.21935474 Report

>>21935466
>lied waiting for them
>keeps the bodies in his basement for an entire day while going on about his business
The entire thing reeks of pre-meditation, didn't he even admit it?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:21 UTC+1 No.21935496 Report

>>21935471
No, he killed him cleanly. Y'know, because the kid broke into his fucking house.

>all these communists on /k/ who think private property is public property
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:24 UTC+1 No.21935517 Report

>>21935496
Why the fuck are you defending this dude?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:25 UTC+1 No.21935536 Report

I wouldn't mind having an ac 556 that has been upgraded to a better barrel
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:27 UTC+1 No.21935560 Report

>>21935517
Because I believe when someone breaks into your house to steal or do you harm you have the right to use deadly force. Even if you do like to spout off one liners while you do it. No matter how weird you are you have that basic human right.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:31 UTC+1 No.21935595 Report

>>21935536
Yeah, like a bull barrel or something.
Actually, I'd love one specced after more modern Mini-14 rifles, better gas system and junk.

>>21935560
Deadly force? Sure, but he shot them down, and then shot them again when they were down and neutralized, they had seized to be a threat, he's not a judge, jury or executioner, we're not living under Sharia law you fag, we don't chop off the hands of thieves after the fact because we're not sundamaged psychopaths.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:33 UTC+1 No.21935619 Report

>>21935560
>Because I believe you have the right to murder anyone who tries to steal from you
>You have that basic human right
>Basic human right
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:33 UTC+1 No.21935624 Report

>>21935595
most parts are interchangeable, so that's not out of the realm of feasibility.

Perhaps you can find just the registered parts of an ac556 and build a full one with modern mini14 components
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:34 UTC+1 No.21935633 Report

>>21935624
Like the receiver and sear pack? I guess.
Then maybe throw it into one of these stocks.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:35 UTC+1 No.21935636 Report

>>21935560
The threat had long since been neutralized. He then proceeded to execute them.

That's bad form, through and through.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:35 UTC+1 No.21935638 Report

>>21935595
>they had seized to be a threat
>seized
>Implying they were a threat to begin with
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:35 UTC+1 No.21935641 Report

>>21935595
He killed the boy cleanly. Girl raised her hand up and he thought she had a gun so he neutralized the threat. Go fuck yourself Jew
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:35 UTC+1 No.21935643 Report

>>21935595
wonder if there is an adapter to use stanag mags in it
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:38 UTC+1 No.21935664 Report

>>21935641
>lying on the ground, wheezing, several holes in her, crying, begging for mercy and barely alive
>guy points gun at her
>raises her hand because GUY POINTS GUN AT HER
>OMG SHE MUST HAVE HAD A GUN EVEN THOUGH HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE AND COULD CLEARLY SEE AND HAD ALREADY DRAGGED HER TO THE BASEMENT
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:38 UTC+1 No.21935674 Report

>>21935638
Yeah yeah I had a brainfart, but they could be construed as threats, depending on his local defense laws.

>>21935641
>Jew jew jew
Clearly you are some kind of fucking Muslim, get out of here ISIS.

>>21935643
No, you'd have to modify the receiver, magwell, mag-release, bolt, and bolt-carrier to do that, though apparently some guy on here is working on doing just such a gun, will be nice to see whenever it's done.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:40 UTC+1 No.21935692 Report

>>21935664
>I watched the MSNBC special on this I was basically there and know exactly what he saw even though he claims he thought she had a gun and hasn't been dragged down yet
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:42 UTC+1 No.21935706 Report

>>21935674
I really want JIDF to go

>silly goyim, people breaking into your home aren't threats! You don't need guns!!!

>oy vey you're a dirty Muslim if you disagree with us!!!
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:43 UTC+1 No.21935717 Report

>>21935706
>literally strawmanning this hard
How's that cognitive dissonance working for you, Edgehog?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:43 UTC+1 No.21935723 Report

>>21935692
There are videos you cocky little inbred. Every account says he straight up executed the girl. That is a big no-no. Then he moved the bodies. Another huge no-no. Then he doesn't call the cops for a day. Yet another huge no-no. The only way this man could have fucked up harder was if he sodomized the corpses on camera. Stay stupid. Stay inbred.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:44 UTC+1 No.21935735 Report

>>21931781
Sorry man, changing the barrel profile doesn't increase the cost of the firearm by $200
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:45 UTC+1 No.21935747 Report

>>21935717
Dude literally said people breaking into the guys home wasnt a threat. But hey enjoy those big terms you learned at community college ;^)
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:46 UTC+1 No.21935757 Report

>>21935641
>he thought she had a gun so he neutralized the threat
By bending down, pulling her head up by her hair, and sticking the gun under her chin? Do you seriously think that will fly as a "self-defense action" in court? How are there people on this board who are this retardedly ignorant on how to handle a home intrusion scenario? It's like you idiots want to get jail time.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:50 UTC+1 No.21935805 Report

>>21935735
They also changed the gas system, sights, tooling, manufacture, etc.

Not just the barrel. Do they overcharge? A bit, but the kind of action the gun is built on is inherently fairly expensive, that's just the nature of things.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:53 UTC+1 No.21935845 Report

>>21935674
Nice Mini.

Who makes that odd looking mount the Aimpoint is on? Also, I think I recognize a what looks like a Choate front sight/flash suppressor that's had the flash suppressor cut off, the stub threaded, and a Smith Enterprises muzzle brake installed, but what that extra stuff is that's attached to the gas block--the rod with the cuts near the forward end, and the object on the left side of the gas block?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:54 UTC+1 No.21935867 Report

>>21935747
>Dude literally said people breaking into the guys home wasnt a threat.
They weren't.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:54 UTC+1 No.21935872 Report

>>21933222

>Thinks the mini-14 is neat
>turns it into that.

what, exactly, do you even find neat about it?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:55 UTC+1 No.21935883 Report

>>21935867
>people who break into your home aren't a threat

Good goyim.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:55 UTC+1 No.21935885 Report

>>21935757

>>21935757

He would not have been forced to do that had is Ruger Brand Mini-14 not jammed leaving him only his sidearm

Ruger

not even once
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:57 UTC+1 No.21935901 Report

>>21935747
>could be construed as threats
>ceased to be a threat
I never said they were NEVER a threat you mouthbreathing mongoloid, I said that they could be interpreted as threats, depending on local laws, such as maybe castle laws, thing is, once he shot them down, and they were out and down for the count, he didn't call 911 and ask them to pick up the bodies/injured home invaders and then make a statement for the police, he fucking shot them again once he noticed they were still alive, even as one of them were pleading for their life, after he had done this (while recording himself, which suggests premeditation), he wrapped them in tarps and kept them in his basement for an entire day.

After he shot them the first time, he did everything wrong he possibly could. Had they died the first time he shot them, and had he called 911 after that, then I would not have argued, you are literally fucked in the head if you're not getting this, Edgenstein, I'm sick of seeing you on /k/ whiteknighting a person who committed two accounts of First Degree Homicide.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:59 UTC+1 No.21935938 Report

>>21935872
I'm not sure really, I figure it's a trash stock, but the shape and look of it is just rad to me, along with the thin barrel sticking out. At the same time, you still have that wonderful feel and noise of the charging handle being worked, something you don't get on modern guns.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:01 UTC+1 No.21935959 Report

>>21935757
If I were on the jury, it would. :D :D :D :D :D

If you choose to break into someone's home, don't be surprised if your choice leads to consequences. Yes, I know. "THEY WERE JUST KIDS, A BLOO BLOO BLOO" "MUH BABBY DINT DO NUFFIN" Some of us are really sick of hearing "hang dat creepy ass ol' cracka, dass beez racisms" every time the flourishing criminal careers of some "diverse urban yoots" get interrupted by a dose of lead sleeping pills administered by a guy they tried to rob and murder.

Also, I'm still puzzled as to why the individual's chosen implement matters to--well, anyone.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:02 UTC+1 No.21935975 Report

>>21935885
Use shitty aftermarket mags, any firearm can malfunction. Even an AK.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:03 UTC+1 No.21935983 Report

>>21935975

in the trial it said they were ruger brand mags

look it up
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:03 UTC+1 No.21935987 Report

>>21935901
Some homicides are a public service.

Also, quicklime is cheap. Just sayin'.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:04 UTC+1 No.21935998 Report

>>21935959
>I'm still puzzled as to why the individual's chosen implement matters to--well, anyone.
>Why does a man's method of killing people matter?
It's official. You want to go to prison.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:04 UTC+1 No.21936002 Report

>>21935983
Got a link?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:05 UTC+1 No.21936007 Report

It worked fine for anders so I can't argue
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:05 UTC+1 No.21936011 Report

>>21935959
>"THEY WERE JUST KIDS, A BLOO BLOO BLOO" "MUH BABBY DINT DO NUFFIN"
Which literally nobody is saying in this thread you nigger, we're all saying they could be threats, and he was probably justified in shooting them down, but he found that they hadn't died, and then made sure they did.

You don't execute someone after they have stopped being a threat.

What part of this is hard to understand for you?
Is he your husbando or something? Are we mad because we're calling him out for the wannabe Hannibal Lecter that he is?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:06 UTC+1 No.21936021 Report

>>21936011
>shot a couple of niggers who broke into his house and tried to rob him, possibly intending worse
>"Hannibal Lecter"

Stay edgy there, kiddo.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:08 UTC+1 No.21936062 Report

>>21932152

it's probably the most jam prom firearm from any major company that comes with 20 round mags
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:10 UTC+1 No.21936078 Report

>>21936007

what kind of mags did he use

i heard he had to clear a few jams
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:10 UTC+1 No.21936086 Report

>>21936062
...that's not my experience with the platform.

A few years back Hotaru Maniac posted a great deal of material about his experiences with Minis. I seem to recall he also found them to be quite reliable, with factory mags.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:11 UTC+1 No.21936099 Report

>>21936086
This, Mini-14's cycle blanks flawlessly for one.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:11 UTC+1 No.21936104 Report

>>21936011
>You don't execute someone after they have stopped being a threat.

Because no one, anywhere, ever, has been shot, stumbled, and gotten back up, right? It never happens on TV!
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:12 UTC+1 No.21936111 Report

The new mini 14s shoot great. Dont understand what the bitchin is about. Great alternativ for people who wants a semi with high capacaty mags and cant get ARs or other scary guns.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:13 UTC+1 No.21936121 Report

>>21917479
so you wish you had the D?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:15 UTC+1 No.21936139 Report

>>21936104
If they start getting up, you tell them to stay down or you will shoot. If they keep on, you MIGHT have a case for shooting them again. A clearly subdued/incapacitated intruder no longer warrants lethal force, by even the loosest of self defense laws throughout the nation. This is in the letter of the law. You may want to go to prison, but don't try to get others to join you in your black anal rape fantasy world.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:18 UTC+1 No.21936169 Report

>>21936139
If someone tries to kill me, they're getting the whole mag. You can bet your life on being able to guess who's "clearly subdued" in dim light, with adrenalin pumping, terrified for your life, if you want, or maybe you'd prefer to walk over and try to take their pulses and risk getting shanked in the gut for your trouble. Some very superficial wounds produce a lot of apparent blood, and vice versa. I'm not going to bet my life on it.

Repeat after me: "Officer, I was afraid for my life."
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:21 UTC+1 No.21936200 Report

>>21936169
>I'm not going to bet my life on it.
That's nice, and when you grab a woman who is pleading for her life by the hair while she bleeds out on the ground and shoot her under the chin, I'm sure the jury will be perfectly understanding of how you "feared for your life". Oh, wait, nah, you'll get sent to federal and your wildest dreams will come true, in the form of Taquil "Third Leg" Marcus paying you nightly visits.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:23 UTC+1 No.21936223 Report

>>21936169
>terrified for your life
then why do you get within arm's reach of the person you're terrified of and take plenty of time in dispatching them? do you know what self defense laws entail? if you're in fear for your life, you have to follow up with the actions that show this.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:24 UTC+1 No.21936239 Report

>>21936200
Reading is fun-da-mental.

Where did I ever say I'd walk across the room and get within arm's length of people who had just tried to kill me?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:26 UTC+1 No.21936260 Report

>>21936239
>Reading is fun-da-mental.
That it is, which is why I wonder how you're having trouble following this conversation while at the same time appreciating the benefits of literacy. Do be a dear and stop being obtuse.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:28 UTC+1 No.21936277 Report

>>21936239
>Where did I ever say I'd walk across the room and get within arm's length of people who had just tried to kill me?
you have been defending the actions of a man who did exactly this, on the grounds that he 'feared for his life'. that's what is being talked about.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:32 UTC+1 No.21936337 Report

>>21936169
>If someone tries to kill me, they're getting the whole mag.

>unless you are using a Ruger Mini 14 and it jams

as they so often do
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:33 UTC+1 No.21936350 Report

>>21936260
>"dear"
What are you, a queer?

>>21936277
No, I'm saying that it's conceivable that he feared for his life, which is a difference, and it is the responsibility of the prosecution to prove otherwise beyond reasonable doubt. The recording bit is a bit creepy, but then again so is putting a Tapco stock on an SKS, and we don't imprison people for that, and on balance I am of the opinion that he performed a public service, regardless of whether the thieves "was just a babby," "begged for their lives, o lordy" or not. Some people need killing. They can usually be easily identified by their predilection for burglary and home invasion. Is that more clear?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:35 UTC+1 No.21936371 Report

>>21936350
>What are you, a queer?
And the debate cycle of the inbred comes full circle. You are simply adorable.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:36 UTC+1 No.21936384 Report

>>21936371
You're the guy who keeps talking about prison rape, aren't you?

Are AIDS-dripping nigger dicks a topic of special interest to you, or something like that? Are you trying to "share the gift" with me?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:37 UTC+1 No.21936390 Report

>>21936350
>it's conceivable that he feared for his life
no, he didn't. it is legally impossible to prove this. because you don't get within arm's reach of people you are afraid are going to kill you, and take your time executing them. how could you possibly think that would hold up in court?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:40 UTC+1 No.21936420 Report

>>21936390

they could have just not invaded his home

ever think of that libbo?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:41 UTC+1 No.21936421 Report

>>21936390
Did the prosecution prove this? Or is it equally plausible that the homeowner attempted to check the second burglar's condition (not a choice I personally would have made) by prodding her with the muzzle of the rifle, and she responded by making a furtive movement?

"What will hold up in court" is a strange and elastic standard. O.J. Simpson says hello.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:42 UTC+1 No.21936433 Report

>>21936384
>You're the guy who keeps talking about prison rape, aren't you?
I was actually theorizing about your own fantasies. It was one of the better explanations I could come up with concerning someone who seemed so eagerly intent on getting himself thrown in prison, whatwith posturing that you can kill anyone in any way and get away with it under a self defense claim. There are rules, Cleetus McGee. Rules that you should best follow when shooting an intruder if you don't want to go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison. And judging by your eagerness to break these rules, it's reasonable to assume you want to go to prison. I think a violent anal rape fetish is one of the few reasons someone would want to go as badly as you do. And that's cool if that's your thing. I won't judge.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:42 UTC+1 No.21936437 Report

>>21927777
opinion? in the trash it goes!
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:44 UTC+1 No.21936452 Report

>>21936433
Yeah, you love those big juicy nigger cocks, don't you? And now that your boyfriend Jermaine "pozzed" you, you want to "share the gift" with everyone you meet, right?

>There are rules

One of them is "don't break into people's homes." HTH. HAND.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:46 UTC+1 No.21936475 Report

>>21936420
yeah, they could have not done that, but i don't see what the has anything to do with anythin, jimmy.
>>21936421
>Did the prosecution prove this?
...yes. that's exactly what was proven. did you even follow the fucking trial?
> Or is it equally plausible that...she responded by making a furtive movement?
obviously it wasn't that furtive, because he put a gun under her chin and took his time killing her. you're not good at this.
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ThumbOverBored 07/13/14(Sun)19:47 UTC+1 No.21936484 Report

>>21912977
They're a great gun for $300.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:48 UTC+1 No.21936493 Report

>>21936475>>21936475
>yeah, they could have not done that, but i don't see what the has anything to do with anythin, jimmy.

There seem to be a lot of things you don't see.

>did you even follow the fucking trial?

Whose trial? What trial? The guy's name isn't even in the thread? How could I follow the trial?

I wouldn't have done what the guy did, but if I'd been on the jury I'd have voted not guilty.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:50 UTC+1 No.21936517 Report

>>21936452
You are just so CUTE, you can't even make an on-topic refutation and just divert the discussion to the actions of the punks away from those of Smith, and the legal ramifications of same. It's like watching a third grader try to have a political debate. Absolutely adorable.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:51 UTC+1 No.21936533 Report

>>21932152
>>21935381
>>21935338
>>21935674
>>21935706
>>21935747
>>21935747
>>21935883
>>21935959
>>21935987
>>21936021
>>21936104
>>21936169
>>21936350
>>21936420
>>21936421
>>21936452
>>21936493
Bona fide mental and moral retardation, right here. Faggots like you are just as harmful to firearm rights as the "liberal" bogeymen you whine incessantly about.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:51 UTC+1 No.21936534 Report

>>21936517

You're really working hard at putting the FAG in "summerfag," aren't you? I bet you like blowing little boys, too.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:52 UTC+1 No.21936546 Report

>>21936493
>i have no clue about the case that's even being discussed
you're retarded and can't even quote properly. congrats on the downs.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:52 UTC+1 No.21936553 Report

>>21936546
A couple punks burglarized a house and came to a bad end. What's to discuss?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:52 UTC+1 No.21936555 Report

>>21936484
>They're a great gun for $300.
Because it isn't an AR, it's overpriced.

Retard.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:54 UTC+1 No.21936579 Report

>>21936553
>What's to discuss?
i hate it when tumblrfags and the like say this, but you are literally so stupid that you have made me lose a bit of faith in the human race. how the fuck do you even begin to think you know shit about a notorious home intruder case while...not knowing anything about it? how the fuck are you even bale to use a keyboard?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:55 UTC+1 No.21936587 Report

>>21936579
tumblr SJW pls go
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:55 UTC+1 No.21936593 Report

>>21936579
>bale
i'm so perplexed i can't even type properly. that is how amazing your ignorance is to me.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:57 UTC+1 No.21936610 Report

>>21936534
And I'm the one that's supposed to be obsessed with homosexual carnal acts.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:58 UTC+1 No.21936621 Report

>>21936610
If the sparkly high-heel shoe fits, wear it.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:01 UTC+1 No.21936648 Report

>>21935805
this is the thing i don't get with people going on about the price of a mini, they invested quite a bit of money in retooling the line and improved the design overall so its not like you are getting nothing for it. i mean compare it with Arsenal, a few years back you could get them for around $500 then they went to $700 and now the cheapest one is over $1000 after taxes and what improvements are you getting over the earlier ones? none that i know of. this could have something to do with the saiga costing around $500-$600 instead to $250 like they were in 2011 i think. then you have people saying that you can get an ar for the same price. generally an ar at that price is not the best, a lot don't have CHF or CL barrels. some do have such things like Double Star (some of their rifles not all). of course you can build your own and then make it exactly how you want it to be (provided you have the tools) but you still won't be able to make it super nice without spending some extra cash again depending on what you want. not the mention steel and wood (depending on model) costs more then aluminum and polymer.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:01 UTC+1 No.21936650 Report

>>21936621
And there you post, not even bothering to make any real counter arguments and just focusing on homoerotic imagery. Yes, clearly I'm the one who likes the cock.

You stay classy, Joe Billy Bob.
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ThumbOverBored 07/13/14(Sun)20:05 UTC+1 No.21936682 Report

>>21936555
No, because it:
>takes expensive and uncommon mags
>is less accurate
>is markedly less reliable
>has fewer accessories
>has higher recoil
>has inferior controls

It's not a piece of shit, it's just obsolete.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:07 UTC+1 No.21936697 Report

>>21936648
>not the mention steel and wood (depending on model) costs more then aluminum and polymer.
Exactly. People here hardly ever seem to consider these kinds of things before they bitch about the price of guns.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:09 UTC+1 No.21936713 Report

>>21936111
Fudds spouting the same retarded shit that's out of date for several years, and people who are mad that not everyone wants an AR.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:12 UTC+1 No.21936736 Report

Maybe if it didn't cost as much as an AR while being objectively inferior in every single facet I would laugh at it.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:12 UTC+1 No.21936738 Report

>>21936650
>Yes, clearly I'm the one who likes the cock.

Yes, you are, "Third Leg."
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:13 UTC+1 No.21936750 Report

>>21936713
>the fudds are the one hating on the Mini-14 and worshiping the AR
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:14 UTC+1 No.21936756 Report

>>21936420
It's like you're arguing in fucking circles.
Why are there no mods on /k/?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:15 UTC+1 No.21936764 Report

>>21936713
That's the best looking mini I have ever seen

Still don't want it though, it's not an AR
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:15 UTC+1 No.21936771 Report

>>21936756
They're sorely needed to contain this /pol/ spillover we've had this weekend. It's gotten pretty bad.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:15 UTC+1 No.21936772 Report

>>21936750
>fudds AND people, etc etc
How's that reading comprehension sonny?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:16 UTC+1 No.21936774 Report

>>21932095
do your research
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:16 UTC+1 No.21936775 Report

>>21936713

>$1500 stainless jamomatic
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:17 UTC+1 No.21936784 Report

>>21936771
Why is there a /pol/ spillover? I've been on /vp/ these past few days and trying to avoid eye-contact with Jake.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:17 UTC+1 No.21936786 Report

>>21912977
>Mini 14s are just fine.
Then why the fuck are they always, ALWAYS jamming?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:19 UTC+1 No.21936805 Report

>>21936784
>Why is there a /pol/ spillover?
Who knows, all I know is I've gotten in a half dozen arguments with their inbred hellspawn over the past two days, not counting the one in this thread.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:20 UTC+1 No.21936818 Report

>>21936682
>takes expensive and uncommon mags

This I will give you, though so many AR fans lined up to pay sixty bucks a pop for HK "Maritime" mags a few years back that I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.

>is less accurate

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2007/07/18/ruger-ranch-rifle/

tl;dr they tried nine different types of 5.56 surplus and commercial .223 ammo, four types shot under 2 MOA, the worst was surplus M193 that still shot into 3.5 MOA.

>is markedly less reliable

Not with factory mags, in my experience.

>has fewer accessories

Some of us don't feel a desire to stick quad rails and lasers and infrared floodlights all over everything we own.

>has higher recoil

I can't feel any difference. Same cartridge, same weight platform, both gas operated semiautos. Maybe I'm holding it wrong.

>has inferior controls

That's kind of subjective, isn't it? There are people out there who prefer the Garand type safety.

Oddly, the one other weakness that you don't mention is: proprietary optics mounting platform requiring Ruger rings. Those of us who prefer QD rings--because a scope is just a metal tube full of glass lenses, and glass is kind of fragile--are disappointed on this count. And it's not that the receiver couldn't be redesigned with a couple little sections of Picatinny rail in front of and behind the opening in the top for the bolt anyway.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:20 UTC+1 No.21936819 Report

>>21936775
>1500
Where the fuck are you finding a Mini-14 for 1500? You'd at best get 1000 dollars for a 2008 NRA rifle, but that's really pushing it.

The only Mini-14 you could find worth OVER 1000 dollars is an AC-556, and those are machineguns.

>>21936786
They don't though.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:21 UTC+1 No.21936829 Report

>>21936774
I did. The M14 tooling was sold to Taiwan in the 1960s, not to Red China. Thanks for playing. On this table you'll see an assortment of consolation prizes, including a year's supply of Turtle Wax(tm).
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:23 UTC+1 No.21936841 Report

>>21936819
There are the heavy barrel Mini "target rifles" that they don't make any more, which have gotten the status of collectors' items, among those who collect Ruger stuff. I've not seen one of those go for over $1200, though.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:24 UTC+1 No.21936850 Report

>>21936818
>has higher recoil
>I can't feel any difference.
I love the Mini-14, but objectively it kicks a little bit more, the bolt on an AR-15 buffers into the stock, this was originally for the AR-10, to make a .308 rifle more controllable, but makes the AR-15 kick almost nothing at all due to the low recoil of the .223

The difference may not be huge, but it's there.
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ThumbOverBored 07/13/14(Sun)20:25 UTC+1 No.21936865 Report

>>21936818
You're getting defensive about your personal rifle. I'm not attacking that rifle.

>HK mags
Irrelevant. The best mags there are for ARs are <$15.

>2MOA
ARs go sub-MOA all day. Don't get me wrong, 2MOA is workable, but it's less accurate. Period.

>in my experience
Well...

>Some of us don't feel a desire to stick quad rails and lasers and infrared floodlights all over everything we own.
No, but the ability to put on a free floated handguard, an offset light, a forward sling point, front BUIS that isn't barrel-mounted, and conditional accessories is a good thing, not a bad. Same for stock, grip, and internal options. If you don't want practical accessories on your rifles, then their performance doesn't matter, because you aren't wanting them for practical application. How they shoot 'for fun' doesn't matter.

>I can't feel any difference.
Shoot a midlength AR with a brake. Direct impingement has less recoil than piston. Do you shoot isosceles?

>That's kind of subjective, isn't it?
The bolt release and mag release are faster on an AR than how you have to reload a Mini.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:27 UTC+1 No.21936889 Report

>>21936841
>There are the heavy barrel Mini "target rifles" that they don't make any more, which have gotten the status of collectors' items, among those who collect Ruger stuff.

What, the Mini-14 Target? They still list that on Rugers site, it's a Mini-14 with a .223 only chamber, no sights (you gotta mount your own optics), a bull-barrel, a thumbhole stock, and a Harmonic Dampener, is that the one you're thinking of?

They still make that. Accurate as FUCK, sub MOA baby.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:27 UTC+1 No.21936894 Report

>>21936819
>Where the fuck are you finding a Mini-14 for 1500? You'd at best get 1000 dollars for a 2008 NRA rifle, but that's really pushing it.

the previously photographed stainless wood stocked aftermarket underlugged custom mini would easically have $1200-1500 in it

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=413672796
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:30 UTC+1 No.21936913 Report

>>21936894
Yeah but that's not a factory weapon, or even a dealer exclusive.

That's like saying a Glock 17 is worth 1000 dollars because some dude put a bunch of shit on it and raped it with a soldering iron.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:31 UTC+1 No.21936920 Report

>>21936865
I understand, and am glad to see some civility returning to this thread.

Not attacking you, but questioning statements like "ARs go sub MOA all day." Maybe some do. Sub MOA isn't something I thought you could always depend on even with bolt-action rifles with heavy match barrels and handloads. I view any rifle that shoots sub MOA consistently as exceptional. How many AR type rifles can really do that, out of the box?

At that article, the average for all nine types of ammo tried in a 2007 production Mini-14 was 2.4 MOA. What is the acceptable accuracy spec for military contract M16 and M4 barrels?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:31 UTC+1 No.21936929 Report

>>21936913

that's why i was saying "why would you go out of your way to build a $1500 mini 14 as they jam all the time and are not worth it"

now stand back, while i polish this turd...
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:33 UTC+1 No.21936952 Report

last year some guy was using a mini 14 to defend his home and when it jammed he got put in prison for life

not even kidding

look it up
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:38 UTC+1 No.21937005 Report

>>21936952
Fuck
OFF
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:41 UTC+1 No.21937027 Report

>>21937005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyOoPDlSuU

really though look it up bro, it happened
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ThumbOverBored 07/13/14(Sun)20:43 UTC+1 No.21937053 Report

>>21936920
I should say; ARs with quality ammunition. Basically, at similar quality levels, ARs are more accurate than Minis. I wouldn't be worried about the Mini's accuracy out to any practical range, for my personal use.

Not sure what the standards are for mil accuracy.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:44 UTC+1 No.21937059 Report

>>21936682
it does have more expensive mags, i don't understand how no one but ruger can make good mags for it.
the new 581 series is much better in terms of accuracy then the old pencil barreled ones.
not sure where you are getting that they are unreliable unless yo are talking about the aftermarket mags.
how many accessories do you need? as long as someone makes the ones you want why does it matter if there are 15 other companies making the same thing? then again i don't have desire to have a lot of stuff on my rifle, a sight, maybe a fore grip, and a light is about all i can think of as being practical but others like more.
im not sure how it is supposed to have a higher recoil when the ar and mini14 (ak and mini 30) fire the same round. it could be the action that makes it seem like there is more perceived recoil but neither of these rounds has stout recoil (then again that is my opinion huh?)
the feel of controls for any gun is primarily personal preference so this can't be considered for anyone but yourself.
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ThumbOverBored 07/13/14(Sun)20:46 UTC+1 No.21937079 Report

>>21937059
>im not sure how it is supposed to have a higher recoil when the ar and mini14 (ak and mini 30) fire the same round.
You have no place in this discussion if you don't understand how direct impingement has lower recoil than a piston.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:48 UTC+1 No.21937089 Report

>>21937059
Someone said that ProMag makes passable 20 rounders out of metal, but I'm skeptical, I don't think they make even one good product.

You'd think that maybe Magpul would try to make a quick buck on this, but no.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)20:51 UTC+1 No.21937119 Report

>>21937089
I suspect that there is a perception that there aren't enough Minis in circulation in the US for it to be worthwhile for the aftermarket manufacturers to tool up to make Mini-14 mags of decent quality.

This is not to say that there isn't an aftermarket, and that there aren't a lot of aftermarket mags. They're just not very good, speaking in the aggregate. There may also be a perception that people who own a Mini don't shoot them very much, and are therefore perhaps less likely to learn about the shortcomings of a faulty aftermarket magazine until it's too late for them to demand a refund.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)21:07 UTC+1 No.21937247 Report

>>21936952

;_;
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)21:58 UTC+1 No.21937759 Report

>>21931998
Me again.

Had another question about the SKS, which by the way I found out is Non restricted in canada, which is good. Anyways, I was looking for places that sell the 7.62x39mm ammunition, and i found three different types of it at Bass Pro, link for reference: http://www.basspro.com/Cartridge-or-Gauge-7-62mm-x-39mm/Shooting-Ammunition-Centerfire-Ammo/_/N-1z0u41xZ1z0ux5y . Anyways, It looks like the Tulammo brand rounds are cheaper, for $25 i can 100 of them compared to the Remington rounds of the same caliber, which are 20 rounds for $25.

Is 7.62x39 ammunition normally this expensive? are the Tulammo rounds cheaper because they're of a lower quality than the Remington ones? would it be smart to get some of both? I don't feel like shelling out 25 bucks for not even enough bullets for a trip to a gun range.

Thanks again.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)22:29 UTC+1 No.21938040 Report

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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)22:52 UTC+1 No.21938252 Report

>>21938040

enjoy ur jams and prison
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:12 UTC+1 No.21938490 Report

>>21932095

Didn't the US sell to Taiwan, and then Taiwan later sold to the PRC? What backstabber set up that deal?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:27 UTC+1 No.21938677 Report

>>21938252
u wot m8?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:34 UTC+1 No.21938750 Report

>>21938677

enjoy

>>21932152
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:39 UTC+1 No.21938799 Report

>>21926363
Neither is an AR
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:47 UTC+1 No.21938862 Report

>>21936920
>What is the acceptable accuracy spec for military contract M16 and M4 barrels?
I'm actually interested in this.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:47 UTC+1 No.21938865 Report

>>21938799

Why so noguns?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:49 UTC+1 No.21938891 Report

>>21933060
>there's so few rifles like the Mini-14
In what respect? It's hardly a special snowflake rifle. It isn't a G11.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:51 UTC+1 No.21938911 Report

>>21938799
i find that to be quite funny. its like the platforms went on opposite courses. the garand/m1 carbine action went from being an infantry weapon to a varmint rifle while the ar went from being a civilian rifle to an infantry rifle. it also funny that people think one is so much better then the other.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:55 UTC+1 No.21938949 Report

>>21912977
10/22s are fine

People who bitch are mall ninjas
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:56 UTC+1 No.21938964 Report

>>21912977
Mall ninjas are fine.

People who bitch are Mini 14s.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:57 UTC+1 No.21938974 Report

Can someone tell me if the Mini Thirty can take standard AK mags?

http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ak-47-or-ruger-mini-thirty-30-round-steel-magazine-prod42502.aspx?avs|Make~~Model_1=Ruger__Mini-30
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:59 UTC+1 No.21938998 Report

>>21938974
You'd have to either modify the AK mags or modify the gun itself.

The magazines are roughly the same shape and dimensions, so I don't think it's impossible.
Whether or not it's easy is a different thing altogether.

If you have a Mini-30 and a steel AK magazine, compare it to the magazine in your Mini-30 and see what you'd have to modify on your AK mag to make it fit and feed.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:05 UTC+1 No.21939056 Report

>>21938974
Aren't Mini-Thirtys much less reliable than Mini-14s?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:07 UTC+1 No.21939083 Report

>>21938998
Sounds like too much trouble to bother with, I might look into it, the biggest thing is the availability and cost of proprietary mags.

>>21939056
Never used one. I plan on getting a real AK when I can get out of commiefornia and to a free state, most likely in 2 years.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:11 UTC+1 No.21939117 Report

>>21917659
>>21917804
>/k/, getting high off fuckin' guns
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:12 UTC+1 No.21939125 Report

>>21935381
Oh jesus fucking christ are we really on this AGAIN? Fuck you people, you are what makes gun owners look like a shit.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:14 UTC+1 No.21939160 Report

>>21939117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FluQ7Gl_Ns
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:18 UTC+1 No.21939207 Report

>>21939125
It's probably the same fucking guy.
Just pretend he doesn't exist. There's something wrong with his head, he's a muslim or something.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:19 UTC+1 No.21939220 Report

>>21939125

liberal detected
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:31 UTC+1 No.21939348 Report

Utah here. You guys are some fucking retards. Seriously. 150$ from any pawn shop or internet stranger. Dumb niggers
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:41 UTC+1 No.21939443 Report

>>21939207
Fuck off JIDF. Go troll Stormfront or /pol/
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:42 UTC+1 No.21939445 Report

Not buying a rifle from a company that supported the AWB. Nope.
Instead, I bought an honest Serbian kebab remover.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:45 UTC+1 No.21939475 Report

>>21938911
AR was never designed as a civilian rifle. It started life as a gun they wanted to sell to the military.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:53 UTC+1 No.21939548 Report

>itt: people who are anti-gun and anti-self defense
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:04 UTC+1 No.21939670 Report

>>21939445
That was all Bill Ruger though, they did a 180 on that once he was six feet under.

Soviets was against any and all civilian gun ownership, but their guns were great, weren't they?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:22 UTC+1 No.21939868 Report

>>21939117

Actually, Hoppes #9 has been known to get people high when applied directly to the skin in large quantities.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:24 UTC+1 No.21939896 Report

>>21939670
Paying for a gun manufactured by commies is a triumph of capitalism.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:43 UTC+1 No.21940158 Report

>>21927777
>implying the AR isn't a varmint rifle
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:46 UTC+1 No.21940198 Report

>>21937759
'sup

There is a lot of 7.62x39mm ammo out there, of varying quality.

As you have noted, the Tula stuff is relatively inexpensive. It is loaded in steel cases, rather than brass, and it is made in an old Soviet-era military arsenal in Russia for export. The quality is not great.

I would expect almost any brass case commercial ammo to be more accurate and reliable, and, if we are talking about ammunition specifically for hunting, to have expanding bullets that are better designed and better manufactured. $25 seems a bit much for a box of 20, but then again, different market, and also Canadian currency. Also, Bass Pro's ammunition prices are relatively high in the US also.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:48 UTC+1 No.21940223 Report

>>21929157
Why not just buy a Saiga and leave it unconverted? Then you have a California-legal no-bullet-button rifle for under $600.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:57 UTC+1 No.21940334 Report

>>21940223
I can't remember, is the guy asking in California or Canada?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:31 UTC+1 No.21940723 Report

ls there a better semi-auto 5.56mm rifle for Califags that isn't a butchered AR?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:36 UTC+1 No.21940777 Report

>>21940723

VEPRs
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:51 UTC+1 No.21940993 Report

>>21940198
Would it be worth my money to buy one of the 100 round boxes of the Tula stuff for target practice and pest control, and then get some Remington rounds to go hunting with? or should i stick to getting just one kind?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:01 UTC+1 No.21941132 Report

>>21940993
Target practice and pest control are what the cheap Russian steelcase ammo is best suited for. If you're hunting, then you're unlikely to be expending huge volumes of ammunition anyway, and it is appropriate to use some decent quality brass-case ammunition with modern soft-point hunting bullets.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:08 UTC+1 No.21941225 Report

>>21941132
Alrighty then, so all i need to do is wait to get paid, and then go over and get the gun.

$180 seems pretty cheap for a centre fire rifle though. let alone one one that's a soviet made and imported.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:15 UTC+1 No.21941323 Report

>>21941225
They're much more expensive in the US, two to three times that currently, though the prices go up and down with demand. Lucky you.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:18 UTC+1 No.21941385 Report

>>21927959
>considering the mini-14 street price is over $1000
I've seen them under $800, and I think that they aren't better than most AR-15s, but I haven't seen them near $1000.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:21 UTC+1 No.21941435 Report

>>21940777
Texan here
how are VEPRs legal in commiefornia?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:36 UTC+1 No.21941666 Report

>>21941323
Huh. geuss it's a really good deal then.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:59 UTC+1 No.21941998 Report

>>21919891
>>21929253
OK, you mouthbreathers who have no experience with the mini-14. Let me clarify. I do not think the mini-14 magazine is better in every way than the ar-15 magazine. I like that ar-15 mags are lightweight, drop-free rather than rock-in and available in many varieties. I have come across some horrendous after-market mini-14 mags that wouldn't even feed a single round. But that is not a fault of the design. Mini-14 mags are sturdier and can accommodate longer bullets than AR-15 mags. In my opinion, the AR-15 mag does not have the ideal dimensions for modern 5.56 ammo.
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