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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:14 UTC+1 No.21938516 Report

Yo /k/, is there an AK-74 zero target anywhere?

Strangely, I can't find any..
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:16 UTC+1 No.21938538 Report

Why not just use a normal target? it's not any harder
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:17 UTC+1 No.21938555 Report

>>21938516

>an AK isn't accurate enough to hit one
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:17 UTC+1 No.21938563 Report

>>21938516
>>21938531
huehuehue
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:18 UTC+1 No.21938567 Report

>>21938555
HUEHUEHUEHUE
>no you're just retarded
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:20 UTC+1 No.21938590 Report

>>21938563
>>21938516

So what distance should I zero my AK-74 at?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:21 UTC+1 No.21938612 Report

>>21938590
300 yards
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:23 UTC+1 No.21938634 Report

>>21938612

Gonna need a barn sized zeroing target.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:25 UTC+1 No.21938657 Report

>>21938634
If you can't do a good 100/300 battle zero with an AK-74, you are shit shooter with beans for eyes
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:31 UTC+1 No.21938717 Report

>>21938634

Riiight... a 4-6 inch group at 400 yards is "barn sized"...

>>21938516

Here you go, OP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAWvs3R2tc
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:34 UTC+1 No.21938749 Report

>>21938657
>>21938717

It was a joke you fucking robots...
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:35 UTC+1 No.21938760 Report

>>21938749

Ohh, that's why it wasn't funny at all.

Back to your basement now.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:36 UTC+1 No.21938767 Report

>>21938749
>I was just pretending to be a faggot!
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:38 UTC+1 No.21938791 Report

>>21938767

>implying you need to pretend
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:39 UTC+1 No.21938797 Report

>>21938717
>4-6 inch group at 400 yards
Thats honestly alot better than I was expecting
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:41 UTC+1 No.21938808 Report

>>21938791
y-you too
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:41 UTC+1 No.21938809 Report

>>21938797

If somehow you have a 1-1.5 moa AK, then you can expect that. I've never seen an AK that accurate
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:43 UTC+1 No.21938828 Report

>>21938516
Set your rear sight to the "1" mark, zero it at 25 meters. Shoot at 100 meters to verify zero.

Your gun is now zeroed.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:44 UTC+1 No.21938832 Report

>>21938828
This is wrong
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:45 UTC+1 No.21938848 Report

>>21938809
> I've never seen an AK that accurate
Doesnt Arsenalshit constantly group 1.5-2.0 at 100 yards? Assuming 5.45...

I know my Arsenal 74 always hits where I point but I've never gotten to take it past 50 yards.

>tfw no outdoor ranges near Dunwoody
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:49 UTC+1 No.21938889 Report

>>21938848

My arsenal 105 shoots pretty good for an AK. Still not a 1 moa gun
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)23:56 UTC+1 No.21938957 Report

>>21938832
Care to post the correct way, or would you rather just keep shitting up the thread?

http://www.ak-47.net/ak-47/sightingin.php
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:30 UTC+1 No.21939340 Report

>>21938516
Alright guys, 60 rounds later I've got a pretty damn good 25 meter zero, I'll need to estimate 100 yards sometime and set up a target in the field.

Damn my baby got hot, is 5.45x39 known to overheat barrels? Maybe it's just a tight new barrel?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:31 UTC+1 No.21939349 Report

>>21939340
AKs get hot, especially with surplus. Don't worry, you're not hurting it
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:33 UTC+1 No.21939365 Report

>AK target
>implying you need to zero in an AK
KEEP SHOOTING COMRADE, BOOLIT WILL KILL SAND KEBAB OR FILTHY PRISONER SOONER OR LATER!
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:33 UTC+1 No.21939368 Report

>>21939349
Alright, what does /k/ think of my Childersguns heat treated 80% blank build? I Cerakoted it OD Green, the stuff is pretty durable as long as you harden it properly.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:36 UTC+1 No.21939394 Report

>>21938832
How is that wrong?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:38 UTC+1 No.21939414 Report

Here's a trajectory chart. It might help you a bit. I think that its for 7N6 though.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:38 UTC+1 No.21939415 Report

>>21939368
Nothing matches, but in a neat way
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:41 UTC+1 No.21939438 Report

>>21939415
Yay!
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)00:43 UTC+1 No.21939459 Report

1 should hold zero at 100m
2 should hold zero at 200m
And so on.
The "?" setting is the "combat" setting and should hold the same zero as the 300m setting.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:14 UTC+1 No.21939792 Report

>>21939414
>I think that its for 7N6 though.
I'm pretty sure you're right.
60g commercial ammo shouldn't be too different though, since it's realistically what you'll be using from now on. I've found them to be very close to 7n6(I can't actually tell the difference) up to 400 yards.
You can even get in 1080rd spam cans of ammo that looks like 7n6. Try guess which one is 7n6 and which is 60g commercial from a spam can.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:19 UTC+1 No.21939839 Report

>>21939792
7N6 on far left
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:24 UTC+1 No.21939890 Report

>>21939340
>green receiver
>plum furniture
>black barrel, receiver cover, et cetera
pig disgusting anon.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:24 UTC+1 No.21939902 Report

>>21939890
You're just jelly your '74-chan doesn't have any character.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:26 UTC+1 No.21939927 Report

>>21939902
You don't give an AK character with paint, you give it character by using it to the point that it gets scarred and worn
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)01:29 UTC+1 No.21939965 Report

>>21939839
Right, there are some subtle differences.
7n6 has a bit thicker lacquer coating on the case and a wider band of sealant on the bullet, although I think the sealant layer is a bit thicker on the commercial stuff.
Either way, for my shooting habits, I'd much rather pay 250 for a noncorrosive can vs 205 for a corrosive can at this point. I'm not exactly shooting hundreds of rounds per session with my 74. I shoot more like 10-20rds, but I get out very often since my range is a back yard.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:34 UTC+1 No.21940755 Report

>>21938516
OP: I will describe to you the approved Soviet Army method of achieving properly regulated battlesight zero with the AK74.

No special target is needed, however you will need a range at which you can shoot at distances of 25m for the first step and 100m.

Set the rear sight at the "P" battlesight zero setting, all the way to the rear. Or at 250m if your rear sight does not have a "P" setting.

Shoot groups at 25m and adjust the front sight for windage and elevation until you are confident that the weapon shoots exactly dead on at 25m at the P/250m setting.

At 100m, you will confirm. Set the rear sight to 400m. At 100m, with the rear sight set to 400m, your group should appear on target exactly 25cm (ten inches, if you prefer) above point of aim. If necessary, make further adjustments to the front sight to make sure that you get this result.

Now move the rear sight setting back to P/250m and never touch it again unless an officer orders you to. Your rifle is now set for 250m battlesight zero.

An SKS, AKM or similar weapon in 7.62x39mm can be zeroed in the same manner, except that its battlesight zero setting is 200m rather than 250, you shoot and zero at 20m rather than 25m to begin, and you confirm at the end with the 300m setting to produce groups 25cm high at 100m rather than the 400m setting.

This image shows a Soviet army rifle qualification target.

The official name for this target was the "Type IV target."

Three rounds total, from prone, scoring:

25 points or higher: equivalent to "expert" and a conscript who shoots this well may be selected for additional special training as a sniper, machinegunner, or antitank rocket specialist in infantry units, or a tank gunner in an armor unit

20-24 points: equivalent to "sharpshooter"

15-19 points: "Marksman," conscript will be encouraged strongly to improve his scores

14 points or fewer: conscript has failed to qualify with small arms and may be re-cycled through training as a result
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:46 UTC+1 No.21940915 Report

>>21940755
This is slightly complicated.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:47 UTC+1 No.21940929 Report

>>21940755
I have zeroed at 25m on the 100m setting, how "off" will it be at 100m?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:49 UTC+1 No.21940969 Report

>>21938809
>1.5moa with 7n6
Yeah, his gun just really likes that type of ammo. Russian surplus usually doesn't shoot that accurately out of even high quality AKMs
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:53 UTC+1 No.21941021 Report

>>21940915
>
Ah, but you only do it once.

If the rifle is zeroed so that it is dead on at 25m, at 100m point of impact will be 9.8cm above point of aim, which is very slightly less than four inches.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)02:55 UTC+1 No.21941040 Report

>>21941021
alright alright, i'll try to digest and understand the zero instructions you left but i must do something else right now

will try to re-zero properly tomorrow, thank you
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:12 UTC+1 No.21941282 Report

>>21941040
Theoretically the AK's front sight adjusts vertically by approximately 8 MOA per full rotation, 20cm vertical change at 100m per full rotation. This can of course vary by plant in which the AK parts were made, and tooling wears, and so on, so you will want to confirm this at a range if at all possible.

If the front sight is currently zeroed at 100m with the rear sight set on the battlesight setting, a correct 250m battlesight zero will be about 4 MOA higher. Screw the front sight post in (lower) to move the point of impact higher. One half rotation exactly, 180 degrees, should be almost exactly perfect for the 250m battlesight setting.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:14 UTC+1 No.21941317 Report

>>21941282
so it may be possible to salvate my current zero?

then it should be proper for 100,200, etc.?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:19 UTC+1 No.21941402 Report

>>21941317
In theory, yes.

Remember, 250m battlesight zero = exactly on at 25m, about 10cm high at 100m.

If your rifle is set for the battlesight setting and currently shoots exactly centered at 100m, then when you screw in the front sight post by one half rotation, the distances on the rear sight should then be at least approximately correct. The 5.45mm caliber weapons are normally battlesight zeroed for 250m, just as the weapons in 7.62x39mm were normally battlesight zeroed for 200m.

Just remember, it is also possible that the threading in your front sight base could have been cut with worn tooling, and the elevation change from the armorers' manuals, 20cm/100m per revolution, might not be exact. It would be appropriate to confirm zero if you can.

Remember, if the battlesight zero is set correctly, it will shoot about 4" high at 100m and 10" high at 100m with the rear sight set at 400m. This was all the confirmation that the Soviet military believed was necessary for this type of rifle.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:36 UTC+1 No.21941661 Report

>>21941402
so if I am understanding, if i want the 100,200 settings to be correct for 100 and 200m i should use my current zero?
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:45 UTC+1 No.21941774 Report

>>21940755

This is correct
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:47 UTC+1 No.21941806 Report

>>21941661
Not your current zero. Screw the front sight post in one half revolution. With that change, I predict that the ranges (100m, 200m, and so on) marked on the rear sight will be correct or nearly so. Of these ranges the most useful for most shooting will be 250m, or the "P" battlesight zero setting. If it is a Russian rear sight base, battlesight zero may be designated with this symbol: ?

It is the Cyrillic letter phonetically equivalent to "P" and is derived from the Greek letter Pi.

Rear sight bases made in different countries will have different markings, if they have a battlesight setting at all.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)03:51 UTC+1 No.21941866 Report

>>21941806

k
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)04:39 UTC+1 No.21942670 Report

I figure this is as good a thread as any to ask this (and it's my thread).

So...

What is the AK of handguns?
Simple + Reliable, now I'm not sure those things are necessary for a sidearm, but I assume they are. This may rule out the 1911, what does /k/ think?

>1911 of sidearms (pistols) go!
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)04:44 UTC+1 No.21942725 Report

>>21942670
There are lots of opinions about this but lots of people who are enthusiastic about the AK and run one hard in 3-gun games, or train hard with an AK type rifle as their preferred weapon for home defense or SHTF, are enthusiastic about Glocks generally and the Glock 17 and 19 in particular. Some people feel--and I know that opinions vary on this--that Glocks in the original 9mm caliber, close to the original design and specs in terms of magazine design and recoil spring guide design, are inherently more reliable than Glocks in other calibers, or subcompact Glocks that have different recoil systems.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)04:57 UTC+1 No.21942915 Report

>>21942725

>Some people feel--and I know that opinions vary on this--that Glocks in the original 9mm caliber, close to the original design and specs in terms of magazine design and recoil spring guide design, are inherently more reliable than Glocks in other calibers, or subcompact Glocks that have different recoil systems.

Trust this guy, questionfag, cause he's spot on fucking correct.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)10:36 UTC+1 No.21946319 Report

>>21939368
that is one awesome mustache.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)12:47 UTC+1 No.21946895 Report

>>21939902
>character
lel
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)13:05 UTC+1 No.21946979 Report

>>21939340
That's is ugly as fuck
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)13:18 UTC+1 No.21947032 Report

>>21938516
>14 meter zero
15 yards
45ft

Sighting in a AK at a pistol range
Prepare yourself for massive ROFL you faggot.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)15:25 UTC+1 No.21947578 Report

>>21938516
OP I think you're looking for one of these...
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