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Let's talk about Genesis...
Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:05 UTC+1 No.4981456 Report

Let's talk about Genesis some more:

I'm too lazy to type out the details so this may be gappy and not make a lot of since, but might be good for discussion.

The story of genesis was probably never intended to be literal, but rather, like so many other myths, intended to explain why something is the way it is. In this case, the focus of the myth is moral consciousness.

This is actually a pretty profound myth. You see that after eating the fruit, A&E in essence became "enlightened." That is, they now knew right from wrong. This is important, because what this means is that they now had the power, or burden, to CHOOSE. To decide, to move on their own volition. And this is the original sin. The original sin is NOT that everyone is born from A&E and are punished simply for being descendants of "criminals," but rather that we carry that same sin of that they did, namely, moral consciousness. What makes genesis so great that it's almost like the first existential story. Once A&E ate the fruit and obtained moral consciousness, God banished them from the garden. Once they obtained knowledge of morality, they were no longer innocent, and now that they were in command of their being, with their own freedom of choice, God was no longer going to take care of them as he did when they were innocent and without guidance. Now A&E were doomed to take care of themselves. And that, in effect, IS moral consciousness. That when we are born we are thrust into this world, and we are doomed and compelled to decide. Every. single. second. we are doomed to arbitrate and seek our own path. And that is a scary thought when you think about. Regardless of determinism, if nothing else the ILLUSION of choice is undebatable. This, I believe, is the fall of grace.

Interestingly enough, The New Testament is the story of Man's return to grace, and one of the themes in the Gospel is that God will provide for those who do his will. Quite literally, it tells men and women to do God's will (like give away everything they have) and that God will provide for them. I mean literally, as in matters of food, clothing, shelter, etc.

Obviously, there are some interesting things worth noting in this story: were there multiple gods? because God speaks as if someone else is around, and refers to himself in the plural.

After eating the forbidden fruit God says that Adam and Eve have become "one of us". In other words, its no stretch to argue that what God is saying is that they too have become gods. Obviously only mortals, but still gods in essence (arguably, perhaps, in the only way that actually matters: in knowledge).

The way the story is depicted, and given God's omniscience, it clearly looks like Man's fall from grace was planned, staged almost like a cosmic play. What purpose, after all, did the serpent have, except to deceive A&E? God surely was aware of this. What could be meant by this?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:08 UTC+1 No.4981470 Report

this is like listening to my grandfather talking about Pokemon
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:09 UTC+1 No.4981474 Report

>>4981470
dang
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:25 UTC+1 No.4981542 Report

Why was the Tree there in the first place?

Why did an all-knowing god not see this coming?

Why did he let it happen if he knew it would happen and why was he disappointed if he knew it would happen?

Why did he allow Satan in the garden?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:30 UTC+1 No.4981558 Report

>>4981542
I think you know the answer to this one: YHWH is a fucking asshole
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:31 UTC+1 No.4981565 Report

>>4981558
why is Revelations considered canon if it's just based on some loner tripping hard on an island?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:33 UTC+1 No.4981577 Report

>>4981470

I wish I could kiss you right now. That is perhaps the most gentle and yet insulting diss I've seen in fucking years.

You should be fucking proud of yourself.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:34 UTC+1 No.4981581 Report

>>4981456
They already had a choice in eating or not eating the apple.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)04:43 UTC+1 No.4981603 Report

>>4981542
He gave them one rule. He needs to be respected, he gave them life and they couldn't do that one simple thing for him. Satan was testing them, I find it to be similar to the story of Job, when Satan again is allowed to test someone.
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