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Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)21:56 UTC+1 No.5058144 Report

Recommend some books portraying the mentality of the related picture.
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Anonymous 06/25/14(Wed)23:05 UTC+1 No.5058485 Report

>>5058144
oblomov
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)00:49 UTC+1 No.5058856 Report

>>5058144
Doing "nothing" gets suicidally boring.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)00:52 UTC+1 No.5058863 Report

If you can't find fulfillment in transcendence, you certainly won't find it in the lint you pick out of your belly button after watching six hours of Game of Thrones.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)00:57 UTC+1 No.5058879 Report

I don't understand NEETs. Do they just view the big world and go, "nah. I'm good."?

It seems to me they are opting out of life almost in absolute by pretending they're indulging in life. Because, they life they're living is without money, doing poor things in some room that is given to them. It's true that people who work have to devote 40 hours a week to their job, but they have money to go on vacation and move and do things, and buy tickets to see concerts or theatre or movies...

If you think about it, it makes more sense to work and earn money and enrich your life with your earnings than it is to sit in some poor hole somewhere reading library books and never doing anything or going anywhere with your life.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)00:58 UTC+1 No.5058882 Report

i bet that frog stinks like shit

living the dream
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:03 UTC+1 No.5058889 Report

Candide
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:06 UTC+1 No.5058899 Report

>>5058879
Your post implies that they became NEET as a result of some sort of logical conclusion. More likely: they failed in the world, decided to drop out of life and become NEET, and are now looking for ways to justify it to themselves
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:06 UTC+1 No.5058901 Report

Is - is /lit/ actually rejecting the NEET lifestyle?
Every day I come by your house and I pick you up. And we go out. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I pull up to the curb and when I get to your door, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll knock on the door and you won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. You just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:08 UTC+1 No.5058905 Report

>>5058879
Well, first off, it's very difficult to find a job, and if you're lucky enough to do so, you spend most of your time doing shit you don't want to do around people who annoy you, so there's not much of a reward for the amount of work it takes.

Secondly, there's no reason to go to concerts, the theatres, or the movies because you can pirate all of that shit online for free, and video games, which you can also pirate are probably more fun than any of those. You can also travel to a certain extent if you take public transportation. True, you can't take a big trip to Europe, though. But, you can do anything that's relatively cheap, which is not much different from someone who makes minimum wage but also has bills that NEETs don't have.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:09 UTC+1 No.5058908 Report

>>5058905
have you ever taken a girl to a play because it's a thousand times better than watching a movie at home
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:10 UTC+1 No.5058912 Report

>>5058899
True. NEETdom does seem, on the whole, like so much sour grapes.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:11 UTC+1 No.5058914 Report

De Uitvreter by Nescio
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:12 UTC+1 No.5058920 Report

>>5058908
Girls don't date unemployed guys.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:13 UTC+1 No.5058923 Report

>>5058856
don't take everything so literally, friend
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:15 UTC+1 No.5058928 Report

>>5058908
Yes, I have. And it is better. I am not a NEET. But I'm also fairly introverted (like most NEETs probably are), and not particularly social, so I enjoy watching movies at home, so I wouldn't say it's a thousand times better, only slightly better. Plus, there's the whole hassle of getting tickets, getting there without getting lost, risking getting hit by a drunk driver or getting a fender bender, etc. Whereas at home you can get some beer, some candy, some popcorn, some ice cream...


Plus, it also is a lot of sour grapes, too. Or rather, it's adjusting and making the best out of the life they've got. Just saying that they've got some points.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:15 UTC+1 No.5058929 Report

>>5058879
Welfare NEETs can do plenty of things, including go on holidays and go to concerts and such. Ultimately though, this is all just scenery swapping. If you can't be happy sitting around in your room you probably can't be happy somewhere else either.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:23 UTC+1 No.5058953 Report

>>5058899
You honestly can't see how people might find gaining 40 hours a week of leisure time an enticing idea? It's basically skipping the labour and going straight to being a pensioner.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:24 UTC+1 No.5058956 Report

>>5058908
>have you ever taken a girl to a play
We're talking about NEETs, aren't we?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:27 UTC+1 No.5058964 Report

>>5058953
>It's basically skipping the labour and going straight to being a pensioner.

It's more like skipping the labour and living in poverty your whole life.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:29 UTC+1 No.5058972 Report

>>5058912
Yes, sour grapes from the wage slaves. :^).
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:33 UTC+1 No.5058985 Report

>>5058972
Heh. Not quite.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:34 UTC+1 No.5058987 Report

NEETism is the modern literary lifestyle and anyone who doesn't see and respect that should probably fuck off back to >>>/b/.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:34 UTC+1 No.5058989 Report

>>5058985
Could you point out some sour NEET grapes?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:37 UTC+1 No.5058999 Report

>>5058953
I've been NEET. Having no social or professional commitments fucking sucks. Boredom is antithetical to happiness (and don't try to fucking kid me, if you're NEET you are very much bored with life).

I have a good job now. Life is good. I date girls, and go out on weekends with my co-workers. I have a modest but nice apartment that I'm proud of. I'm taking a month off to go camping in Patagonia in November.

And you know what I had to do to climb out of NEEThood? Try. That's it. And that's what frustrates me about all of NEETs and NEET threads on /lit/. You guys sit on your asses all day and make excuses. A normalfag life isn't beyond the reach of anyone. All you have to do is actually try at something for once in your life, and you're not even willing to do that.

So instead you just shitpost on 4chan all day using buzzwords like >>5058972 wage-slave and >>5058987 "literary lifestyle" when in reality you're not fooling anyone except maybe yourselves.

It just makes me sad.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:39 UTC+1 No.5059005 Report

>>5058989
Seems most people who are NEET just don't have the skills nor talent to get a good job.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:39 UTC+1 No.5059009 Report

>>5058999
>How could anyone be different from me?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:39 UTC+1 No.5059010 Report

>>5058144
Factotum
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:41 UTC+1 No.5059013 Report

>>5058964
Poverty is relative. As Seneca said, it's not who has little, but who craves more that is poor.

If you can live a content and satisfied life on welfare, why would you work 40 hours a week?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:41 UTC+1 No.5059016 Report

>>5059005
You sure are insightful, Anon.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:41 UTC+1 No.5059017 Report

>>5059005
(read: intelligence nor work ethic)
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:42 UTC+1 No.5059018 Report

>>5059005
Well, NEETs are just like working people. Some people love what they do and some hate it. There are probably plenty of sour grapes from both sides, but also sincerely happy people.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:45 UTC+1 No.5059032 Report

>>5058999
>buzzwords like >>5058972 wage-slave

As bad and degrading it is to think of jobs as wage-slavery, what on earth is the alternative? Waiting for a meagre sum in the form of a government handout? Autismbux?

How is this better? I guess NEETs'll say "because you did nothing! and you got the money!" but it just seems stupid to sit around and wait for someone to give you peanuts.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:48 UTC+1 No.5059042 Report

>>5058999
>Boredom is antithetical to happiness (and don't try to fucking kid me, if you're NEET you are very much bored with life).
I've been NEET for years and I get bored maybe for an hour a month at most. Some people do really enjoy having unlimited leisure time, anon.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:50 UTC+1 No.5059049 Report

>>5059032
How does it seem stupid? I really can't quite grasp what seems so horrible about getting money while you do what you want all day.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:50 UTC+1 No.5059053 Report

>>5059032
You've just accepted that work is 'bad and degrading'. If you really hate your own company so much that you'd rather do something that you consider degrading for fourty hours a week than spend any time in it then I'm not sure what to say to you.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:57 UTC+1 No.5059078 Report

>>5059042
If you truly believe that, then ok.

You're still missing out on so much of life, being locked in your box of a room for your entire life.

And no, reading books will not fill that hole.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:58 UTC+1 No.5059080 Report

>>5059053
I didn't say work was "bad and degrading". You have poor reading comprehension skills.

I have a great job I like going to, and I make a ton of money to do relatively little.

NEET just seems all-around like a bad deal, and I don't know why anyone would do it. Even part-time jobs pay more than the mere pocket change the gub'mint throws at you.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:58 UTC+1 No.5059081 Report

So what do workers actually spend their money on? Is a $10,000 car or a mortgage or fashionable clothes or going to restaurants and on vacations really worth working 40 hours a week for the rest of your life? I just don't get it
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)01:58 UTC+1 No.5059082 Report

>>5058144
John Dies at the End
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:00 UTC+1 No.5059084 Report

>>5059078
You can still leave your room if you're a NEET, you know. You can still do pretty much whatever you want as long as it doesn't require too much money
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:06 UTC+1 No.5059106 Report

>>5058144
Not a book, but you should definitely watch "Dark Horse" by Todd Solondz. Trust me, it'll make feel very good about the choices you've made.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:06 UTC+1 No.5059107 Report

>>5059081
I'd like to have kids someday and be able to support them and maybe even pay for their college educations
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:07 UTC+1 No.5059109 Report

>>5059080
Oh, so I do.
But most NEETs aren't going to get great jobs, Anon, they're going to get miserable menial work, if that.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:09 UTC+1 No.5059128 Report

>>5059078
>You're still missing out on so much of life, being locked in your box of a room for your entire life.
And getting a job will change that?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:10 UTC+1 No.5059132 Report

>>5059078
everyone misses out on so much of life
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:13 UTC+1 No.5059147 Report

>>5059107
>reproducing
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:15 UTC+1 No.5059155 Report

i'm only neet because i have acne all over my face that won't clear up

i'll apply for jobs if and when my face is clear
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:15 UTC+1 No.5059157 Report

>>5059081
Me? I spend it on enriching my life. Travelling is awesome (especially by yourself), I have season passes to all my city's art museums, I go to the theater when there's a good production in town, I eat good food with good people when the occasion calls for it, I can afford good vodka to get drunk whenever, I don't know. Maybe some NEETfags are happy. I couldn't be the judge of that.

But what I do know is 40 hours is chickenshit. 40 hours is not even 2/7 of a week. And what would I spend that forty hours doing otherwise? Shitposting on 4chan and being "productive" by writing prose that nobody outside of critique-your-writing threads will ever read?

I want to be able to take a girlfriend out to a nice restaurant, I want to someday have the money to buy a house and have kids. I've never even had a long term girlfriend but I haven't given up. And that's what it seems like to me. NEETs have given up the battle without even fighting.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:16 UTC+1 No.5059163 Report

>>5059157
>And what would I spend that forty hours doing otherwise? Shitposting on 4chan and being "productive" by writing prose that nobody outside of critique-your-writing threads will ever read?

lol ouch
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:17 UTC+1 No.5059167 Report

>>5059157
>prose that nobody outside of critique-your-writing threads will ever read
>implying art is for others
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:20 UTC+1 No.5059180 Report

>>5059157
Yawn, booooring, even NEETs that do nothing, but shitpost on normiechan the whole day are more interesting than you.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:20 UTC+1 No.5059182 Report

>>5059147
>not wanting to share your a good life with you, the person you love most, and little versions of the two of you
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:20 UTC+1 No.5059189 Report

>>5059157
I hope there aren't any NEETs on /lit/ who think they have the requisite experience to write great prose. I think that would disturb me just enough to quit coming here.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:22 UTC+1 No.5059206 Report

>>5059182
are you trying to bait the antinatalits? isn't this thread bad enough without another piss contest?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:23 UTC+1 No.5059213 Report

>>5059189
Bye then!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:29 UTC+1 No.5059239 Report

Will /lit/ ever be more than a place for people to seek justification for the way they think and live?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:53 UTC+1 No.5059333 Report

>>5059078
I don't see why you think I'm locked in a little room all day when I have all the time in the world to ramble about and do things. My life isn't empty simply because I don't have a job. I don't understand why people think this.

Also, everyone is missing out on a lot of life, since you can only do one thing at the time and every choice you make excludes other choices. If you're in the Himalayas you're missing out on the Riviera and if you're napping in the park you're missing out on work. It's just a matter of what you prefer, not one of more or less living.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:56 UTC+1 No.5059339 Report

>>5059333
>when I have all the time in the world
You don't.
>to ramble about and do things
Do you?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)02:59 UTC+1 No.5059350 Report

>>5058908
>have you ever taken a girl to a play

... are you trying to make me feel that specific feel again??
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:00 UTC+1 No.5059352 Report

>>5059239
Will any discussion ever be?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:01 UTC+1 No.5059358 Report

>>5059339
>You don't.
Why don't I?
>Do you?
Yes. But I also lay around lazily for days or weeks on end when I feel like it, of course.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:02 UTC+1 No.5059361 Report

>>5059352
Well, some discussion are about manipulation of the other interlocutors.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:02 UTC+1 No.5059362 Report

>>5059358
Are you immortal?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:02 UTC+1 No.5059363 Report

kerouac "dharma bums"

i dont care if its been recced already im not sifting through this heap of jizz tissues to find out
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:03 UTC+1 No.5059366 Report

I really don't give a fuck about who is or isn't a neet or their justifications.

But jesus fuck, can someone point out any books for the OP.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:04 UTC+1 No.5059372 Report

>>5059362
I don't know.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:11 UTC+1 No.5059418 Report

>>5058485
>>5058889
>>5058914
>>5059010
>>5059082
>>5059363
Thanks lads, am looking into them as we speak.
>>5059366
Thank you too.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:17 UTC+1 No.5059440 Report

>>5059418
another rec for Oblomov. read the summary, it's pretty much exactly what you're looking for.

don't see how John Dies or Dharma Bums has anything to do with it though.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:23 UTC+1 No.5059461 Report

much shorter and more efficient story than Oblomov is called "The Freeloader" by Nescio

it's very good
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:38 UTC+1 No.5059514 Report

>>5059128

Possibly.

At very least with a job, I have the cash to go skydiving if my existential crisis starts acting up. I know for a fact you can't skydive on autismbux.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:42 UTC+1 No.5059527 Report

>>5059514
>I know for a fact you can't skydive on autismbux.

You can; but, you'll die.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)03:49 UTC+1 No.5059555 Report

Long version: Oblomov

Tl;dr version: Bartleby the Scrivener
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)04:00 UTC+1 No.5059592 Report

>>5059514
Welfare NEET here, just looked up the local prices. I can afford to skydive at least once a month. I don't need to though, since I have enough leisure time to work out my existential crises rather than just frantically throw money at them.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:08 UTC+1 No.5059821 Report

>>5059592

So I did some math out of interest.

I believe it's roughly $200 on average for a tandem jump with an instructor. If you can jump once per month, this means your disposable income must be at least $6.67 a day (but is no more than $13.33 per day, since that would've changed your statement to "at least twice a month"). Let's call it $10. Can you afford to skydive?

We must consider that here are a lot of hidden costs, the biggest being gas. Gas is ~$3.64 per gallon according to the national average, and 23 mpg is also a national average. There are, according to dropzone.com, 313 dropzones in the US. Assuming you live in it and that zones are evenly distributed in all states, that's roughly seven skydiving sites per state. Assuming the state average can be est. thru Alaska and Rhode island, the average state size is ~305,000 square miles. Divide by seven for stations and we get one every ~44,000 sq. miles, which makes their width and height of separation of 210 miles as squares. We'll treat you linearly and place you on a line 57 miles away. That would, according to the above, require 5 gallons of gas roundtrip at a price of $18.20.

So, if you spend literally none of your disposable income for 22 days of the month, yes, you can afford to skydive. But this means you have little to no money for better food, luxuries, other travel, emergencies, dating, saving, or investing. So I suppose the answer is yes, but only if you're near a site or accept near-squalor.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:12 UTC+1 No.5059838 Report

>>5059821

>Jumps for $200

Yeah, if you're in a twenty person group or something. Every place I've gone to charges $250 if you're alone. If your math's right, that's no spending for 26 days out of the month, not 22.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:20 UTC+1 No.5059866 Report

>>5059821
>>5059838
Not everyone is Ameripeasant.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)05:52 UTC+1 No.5059975 Report

>>5059866

And many are europoor

If you live in a country which would pay for your continued education and you choose to, instead of bettering yourself, stay at home playing video games, finding money to go skydiving for fun isn't your issue. Your issue is instead being a pitiful human being.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:11 UTC+1 No.5060053 Report

Money to by a car to drive to a job you only have fro money.

Driving on a vacation only because you are stressed from working.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:12 UTC+1 No.5060056 Report

>>5059975
What if you don't want to go skydiving?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:29 UTC+1 No.5060128 Report

>>5058144
sun also rises?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:32 UTC+1 No.5060133 Report

>>5059010
This. Whole Chinaski series really
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:44 UTC+1 No.5060162 Report

>>5059975

why can't you stay home and study?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:46 UTC+1 No.5060166 Report

>>5059157

you can't wrap your head around the fact that some people don't enjoy those things, can you? it would save you a lot of time posting in this thread if you could just fathom that.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)06:47 UTC+1 No.5060167 Report

>>5060056

Skydiving is representative of a broader idea I feel isn't discussed when it comes to NEETs.

Here's my take on the debate: Maybe entertainment can be derived from work. Maybe boredom can result from play. I believe there can be a reasonable argument from both sides.

I feel that the issue with being a NEET, though, is that you generally lose the freedom to change. A worker can choose to drop everything and become a NEET at any time should he so choose, but a NEET may not be able to do the reverse, either due to a lack of social, intellectual, and practical experience, or due to societal stigma associated with being out of the work force for a long time. Sure, a NEET could pick up skills in spare time, but generally, that's not what I've observed reading NEET threads: they tend to end up playing a lot of video games. If it's really a choice, I feel it would be automatic to choose a job, even if menial, for the sake of having the experience with the option to transition later.

At least from my perspective, 'embracing' the NEET lifestyle tends to be a coping mechanism to deal with the idea that many things are denied to them due to personal flaws, potential mental health issues, and a lack of employment. Skydiving represents an activity that one could support fairly easily as an employed person which is effectively denied to the NEET. Traveling, dating, partying are further examples. I pity someone who never gets a chance, let alone the choice, to do the above.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:13 UTC+1 No.5060222 Report

>>5060167
Good for you I guess. I don't get what your problem is though. So someone plays video games all day, why do you care?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:17 UTC+1 No.5060236 Report

>>5060162
Your home doesn't have access to a laboratory, extensive equipment, peer-edited journals or interlibrary loaning.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:22 UTC+1 No.5060243 Report

>>5060222

I could argue that NEET's often finance their lifestyle on the backs of their families and the government to society's collective detriment, but to be honest, that's not my issue and it's too abstract for me to claim it's really all that huge of a dent.

It's just that I know not every NEETs is a grubby neckbeard or socially maladjusted person. Some may be people who, due to accidentally falling into the lifestyle at some point in the past, don't recognize what they may be missing out on, and gently reminding them could encourage them to change their lives positively if that resonates with them.

Absolute worst case scenario, a NEET finds that he was right, the working world was not for him, and he returns back to doing what he was doing before with a little more pocket change saved up. In the best case, someone changes their life path in a way that they consider positive going forward.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:31 UTC+1 No.5060265 Report

>>5060243
I become a de facto NEET during summers: I am in social contact only with my immediate family, and I shitpost on 4chan and wank and stare at the ceiling all day.

During the school season I'm fairly accomplished due to fear of not being accomplished, and I'll almost certainly end up with a decent job programming.

The summers are extremely boring, about as boring as you can get. The school season is filled with dread, loathing, and stress. They're both bad, but I feel myself "breaking" more under loathing and stress than boredom, so I prefer the NEET lifestyle, even though I like neither in particular.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:35 UTC+1 No.5060276 Report

>poorfags being NEETs
One of the most disgusting things in live, same as poorfags doing drugs.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:36 UTC+1 No.5060279 Report

>>5060276
Why?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:37 UTC+1 No.5060282 Report

>>5059081
>living on credit
Westerners please, you are making me laugh.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:38 UTC+1 No.5060290 Report

This is maybe the only time I would recommend the glass castle to anyone
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:39 UTC+1 No.5060291 Report

There's an essay called "The Right to be Lazy". I can't remember who it's by.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:40 UTC+1 No.5060293 Report

>>5060279
Poor people should make money so their kids can live good and have a good classic education and opportunities. Also I fucking hate drugs.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:53 UTC+1 No.5060341 Report

>>5060265

From what you've written, I'm not sure you'd be content with an endless summer. In small doses, I'm sure you'd agree that it's an enjoyable way to live, but I feel that's just another way to say that breaks are nice every now and again. Considering that programmers make decent amounts of dosh, I'd pursue that, even if it's more stressful, and then you'd have both the advantages of significant amounts of money AND vacation time, along with weekends off.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)07:55 UTC+1 No.5060349 Report

>>5060243
Being a neet is a logical conclusion to the external world not making us happy, in the sense that the reward for participation isn't worth the effort. It doesn't make sense to join the workforce when the only benefit is being able to take part in a culture of superficial consumerism, where everybody needs to be constantly bamboozled by new shallow desires, to keep the individual from questioning the premise of the operation. If weren't bombarded with hopes and dreams all the time we would notice that those we fulfilled didn't last very long.

If you want take to part in a dog eat world, do it. Nobody is stopping you. But I think you're essentially just a little cog in the machine that makes this world possible in the first place. More power to you I guess.

Take that Elliot guy who thought getting layed is of such great importance that it would justify killing people and what would've happened to him if he had realized it's just you sticking your dick in a vagina, but then what? Feels nice sure, but was it worth going full on crazy about? I doubt it. Most of life is like that I believe.

Not saying we should all stop working but maybe there's a golden path somewhere in between the extremes.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:01 UTC+1 No.5060368 Report

>>5060349
I am pretty sure Elliot not being able to be a practicing Jew was one of the reasons he went into the whole toxic and vain "sex is all that matters" worldview.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:08 UTC+1 No.5060384 Report

>>5060368
The dude went broke buying lotto tickets and raged for days when his prayers to the secret weren't answered. He's an extreme example for what happens when someone takes all these memes of capitalism seriously, desperately trying to be an alpha male or something, and fails.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:15 UTC+1 No.5060408 Report

>>5060236

you're going for quite a broad spectrum of subjects there. I have internet access, the only thing I would ever have any interest in studying is literature, so my home is sufficient.
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@littlebodyaudy 06/26/14(Thu)08:22 UTC+1 No.5060437 Report

>>5058

>>5058999
Amen!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:31 UTC+1 No.5060461 Report

>>5058879
>>5059182
See? Most people who are willingfully ignorant enough to believe the life discipline imposed by industrial work is something natural and good for you need to partake on those fantasies about how great a distant step on the ladder of life must be.

Your entire life has been standardized before you were even born. It was fashioned as such not to make you happy, not to make you live a fulfilling life, but to put you on the precise mathematical intersection between Labour and Consumer. The homogenization of human experience and life course are the only way the current system can maintain itself, and the sociohistorical logic of it suggests the individual was never the priority in the first place.

The events that are part of the making of people like you, the education-work-family-retirement nexus, all need to be romanticized to become even slightly bearable, which is the proof nobody really wants to go through that shit. They only look good when you're in the outside looking in. School years were great when you're way past them, marriage and kids are fantastic when they're decades ahead. The current work is only shit until you get that promotion or the right person gets voted in to give you that tax cut or expand your social security.

You brag about being able to afford nice shit, but after a while people even start sucking at consumption because they can't keep up with the the things they like. No time to read because of work, the music they listened to until the age of 25 is the only music they can understand, fashion goes right out of the window, drug habits and even politics beyond what is electable must be suppressed for the sake of the career. Let's stop pretending, bro. This isn't life.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:36 UTC+1 No.5060490 Report

>>5060461
Evolakid? I also indulge in metaphysical dreams, but you are taking things too seriously.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:38 UTC+1 No.5060495 Report

>>5060461
Not the guy, but most people aren't even able to enjoy things even if they had the time because in their heads they're always somewhere else.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)08:52 UTC+1 No.5060524 Report

>>5060461
I agree with you, but how do you escape the standardization of your life? I'm "going through the motions" because I don't know how to live without an income.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:06 UTC+1 No.5060551 Report

>>5060461
>the individual was never the priority in the first place.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:07 UTC+1 No.5060557 Report

>>5058144
>>5058879
Sucess is subjective
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:13 UTC+1 No.5060569 Report

>>5060557
>success is whatever i want it to be :) just b myslf
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:15 UTC+1 No.5060572 Report

>>5060569
Thats not what it means at all

Success is relative , compare it to jealousy. You only get Jealous if the thing you want is somehting you actually want to get .
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:19 UTC+1 No.5060580 Report

>>5060572
If you can describe a condition of jealousy generally, like you just did, it must not be fully relative. If it were completely relative, you would be unable to make a general statement about it.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:22 UTC+1 No.5060584 Report

>>5060580
That makes no sense in relation to what i said here >>5060557
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:30 UTC+1 No.5060604 Report

First thing that comes to mind for OP:
Lafargue the right to be lazy
Vaneigem the book of pleasures
Black the abolition of work

And why do you people still make such a huge effort to analyze and expose the fact that the normal working life is shit? it is quite evident for everyone even for those who do it. Stating that fact changes nothing. Just drop it out of consideration, place it outside the space of logical possibilities and put all that effort into thinking new life possibilities.

I think we already lose when we accept the "NEET" tag, cause that is defined as an absence, as a lack of something as if one didnt have a leg or something... if work is so unnatural then nothing is lacking! no need to keep having it as the point of reference.

I think that the main point is not really about working or not, but about the values one has to justify one's life or situation... and in all these neet threads i see that both working and non working people share the same views (and by views i dont mean opinions but that which makes opinions possible).

Time for a change of values, the new life will grow from it naturally.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:35 UTC+1 No.5060608 Report

>>5060291

Paul LaFargue. Bob Black has also written along similar lines.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:37 UTC+1 No.5060616 Report

>>5060604

Hehe, never mind, beaten to the punch.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:43 UTC+1 No.5060630 Report

>>5058879
>Do they just view the big world and go, "nah. I'm good."?
You've just summed up half the site's personal philosophy.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:55 UTC+1 No.5060655 Report

>>5060630
I've got the suspicion the rest of that beautiful world might be just different strains of bullshit no matter where you go.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)09:57 UTC+1 No.5060659 Report

>>5059157
>40 hours is chickenshit. 40 hours is not even 2/7 of a week.

It's far more than 40 hours though when you factor in things like traveling. Let's say, for arguments sake that you're lucky enough to live within a half hour commute distance. That's an extra hour a day. Now what about getting ready for work in the morning? Personally, I need an hour from waking up to leaving the house otherwise I just can't function. I'm not a morning person. So that's another hour a day. That's 50 hours a week. Now let's say you get home from work at half five. Considering that you have to get up again at 7:30 in the morning and you need 8 hours sleep a night you've got six hours between half five and half eleven to yourself. 6 waking hours to yourself out of 24. And, depending on your type of work, you may well find yourself fatigued, either mentally or physically, during that spare time. Let us also not forget the matter of shopping, cooking, washing, cleaning etc. Which is likely to be an hour plus every day - though I realise that this of course is somewhat dependent on the individual and can come down to choice.

So yeah, if you're lucky it's about 50 hours a week. There are 168 hours in a week. 56 or so of them will be spent sleeping. That leaves you with 112 waking hours a week. I think we can agree that 50 out of 112 is far larger a percentage than 2/7.

I don't disagree with earning a living. I disagree with the misconception that the 9-5 is in any way a healthy lifestyle.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)10:01 UTC+1 No.5060667 Report

>>5060659
The ironic thing is that there's probably a guy who's doing the same job in your city but lives in another one where as you're traveling to his city every day.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)12:31 UTC+1 No.5060947 Report

>>5059975
I thought I was having a good time but I guess I'd have to get a job now, I wouldn't want to be Pitiful!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)12:35 UTC+1 No.5060952 Report

>>5060167
>I feel that the issue with being a NEET, though, is that you generally lose the freedom to change.
Being NEET does require a level of dedication that the working man will never know. You could say the same think about becoming a monk or sadhu, they're also choose not to get the chance to live a normal consumerist life.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)13:03 UTC+1 No.5060980 Report

>>5060167
>Traveling, dating, partying are further examples. I pity someone who never gets a chance, let alone the choice, to do the above.
Do you think these things are somehow NEET specific? Do you really think that a NEET landing a job at Walmart is going to get him a girlfriend?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)13:17 UTC+1 No.5060991 Report

For just myself, i love to work. I've had three jobs at a time before, and when I'm not working my job I volunteer and help out my neighbors and things. I don't get paid a lot, and some of the people i work with are dicks, but that's not as important as that I'm doing something useful with myself and helping out.

Now, a thing that came up earlier isn't true. Girls are always hanging around with the stay at home jobless types because those guys have time to spend with them and give them attention. My brother Shayvon has girls coming and going non-stop and he's been in jail more than he's been to work. Now he does get money off me for stuff, and off our grandma, but I don't hold it against him, since he is just about the most useless thing I ever saw and i wouldnt hire him myself. Sweet boy though.
The thing is Shayvon and my older brother Randol have different things they want in life and hustle for it in their own ways. Me, I like to work hard, eat good and read my books. If some of my money goes to welfare to help out guys like Shayvon and the people in this thread, well I'm fine with that.I'm glad to do it. To each his own
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)13:21 UTC+1 No.5060997 Report

>>5060408
If the only thing in life you care about is human expression, you my friend have missed the point.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)13:37 UTC+1 No.5061018 Report

>>5059418
im thirding oblomov. but unfortunately ever since i read it a year ago its put me into a neet frame of mind, and i consider myself a high achiever. is there any argument against oblomov's lifestyle?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:10 UTC+1 No.5061067 Report

>>5060997
please enlighten the rest of us
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:24 UTC+1 No.5061091 Report

>>5058144
bukowski
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:26 UTC+1 No.5061093 Report

>>5060991
I remember you posting before about this a while ago. What did your brother go to jail for?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:31 UTC+1 No.5061104 Report

>>5060991
>My brother Shayvon
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:53 UTC+1 No.5061139 Report

>>5059013
to not be a burden on society perhaps?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:55 UTC+1 No.5061145 Report

>>5060349
>Not saying we should all stop working but maybe there's a golden path somewhere in between the extremes

There is.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:56 UTC+1 No.5061147 Report

>>5061139
And how does that benefit the individual?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)14:57 UTC+1 No.5061149 Report

>>5061147
personal growth, interesting experiences, helping other people, i could go on. of course NEETs already know this stuff but they're so self deluded that they ignore reality.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:01 UTC+1 No.5061157 Report

>>5061147
being financially independent gives you freedom to do things you want to

moreover, to become financially independent you may need to overcome your weaknesses and develop discipline if you don't have it

imo these are benefits
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:02 UTC+1 No.5061160 Report

>>5061157
>be a neet
>lose gov't/parents money
>be employed
>lose a job
You're never truly independent
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:06 UTC+1 No.5061174 Report

>>5061160
that's true but also not an excuse not to try to be as independent as possible
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:14 UTC+1 No.5061185 Report

>>5061139
NEETs aren't actual burdens on society, at least not more than most working people. A lot of jobs are superfluous and most people work far too much, even to the point of decreasing efficiency. This isn't a hunter gatherer society where everyone has to pull his weight of be a burden any more. We've gotten way to efficient for it, our main duty is consuming now, not producing. Producing can be done by a small minority.

I get that people intuitively and mistakenly dislike the idea of someone 'not contributing', but judging a persons merit solely on his economical productivity isn't a valid approach any more. We've been pulling jobs out of our ass for decades now simply because there isn't enough to do to keep everyone working. Being efficient as a society is great, but people need to part with the idea that a fully employed society is preferable or even feasible these days.

Also, if I were to buy into the idea of getting a job "not to be a burden on society", I would compete with other people who are unemployed at the moment (because the number of people who 'ought to get a job' far outnumbers the number of available jobs) but who actually want to work, who like work, who need to provide for a family perhaps et cetera. Not only would it be against my own interest to get a job, it would be down right inconsiderate towards the people who actually want one.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:16 UTC+1 No.5061192 Report

>>5061149
Personal growth, interesting experiences and helping people are in no way exclusively available to people who work for money.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:16 UTC+1 No.5061193 Report

I've had good jobs and bad jobs, travelled "the big trip to europe, skydived.

Right now i'm unemployed only take grifter jobs when I want and at my prices, IF I want.

And guess what? being NEET is better than all that other stuff, I wish I could just ignore evryone and stay in here all day. I consider it a victory when a "friend" stops calling

People who enjoy working and "living" and all that crap are a type of personality that I find disgusting and intrusive.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:21 UTC+1 No.5061195 Report

>>5058999
Some people are weak of mind, anon. It's like how you'll get city kids who've kept all their games consoles in pristine condition, because those games consoles are their escape. It's the same thing with the "hur, how can you not work!" deal. Granted, though, some will simply try to conquer feelings of inadequacy by staying right there, but it's not as if their control is any lesser in the end. There's no real difference in anything we do, to be honest, just in how in control we feel in doing it. I, personally, have earned 1.5k a week, owned 10 cars, been able to throw down thousands of euros on poker games and holidays. And now I'm at home again, just reading, writing, eating, drinking and smoking, and I could stay like this for years....though I wont.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:22 UTC+1 No.5061196 Report

>>5061185
Yes, I am sure most NEETs are on the level of Nietsche on intellectual productivity. Even the people who sub anime aren't full NEETs.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:23 UTC+1 No.5061200 Report

>>5061195
My grandfather was a farmer who worked the same land all his life, never left my country or anything like that. He used always say, "It's all the same. Going out to Australia is no different to going down to the end of the road." And he was right, really --or as far as he was concerned, he was right, and that's all that matters.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:29 UTC+1 No.5061206 Report

>>5058920
Unemployed girls do.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:33 UTC+1 No.5061211 Report

Girls go out with me because I'm pretty much celebrity-tier sexy, no matter what I'm doing.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:33 UTC+1 No.5061213 Report

>>5061206
>tfw no qt 3.14159 literary NEET gf
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Feminister 06/26/14(Thu)15:34 UTC+1 No.5061216 Report

>>5058920
Uhhh, that's bullshit since my bf is unemployed
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:34 UTC+1 No.5061217 Report

>>5061211
But a lot of celebrities are considered sexy because of what they do, not because they look like models...
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:36 UTC+1 No.5061219 Report

>>5061216
It doesn't count if you're an ugly fucking bitch with a shit tier personality and awful taste in literature. Go fuck yourself.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:37 UTC+1 No.5061221 Report

>>5061219
Excuse me, Feminister is gr8
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:39 UTC+1 No.5061225 Report

>>5061192
99% of NEETs are socially incompetent selfish fucktards who drink and watch tv all day
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:41 UTC+1 No.5061228 Report

>>5061225
99% of wage slaves are selfish fucktards who do nothing but drink and watch TV in their spare time.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:42 UTC+1 No.5061229 Report

>>5061225
And you, anon, are master of the universe!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:42 UTC+1 No.5061230 Report

>>5061221
Go chomp on a cock and eat shit, you fucking cunt. I want to fuck you to death though I'm sure I wouldn't be sexually attracted to you.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:42 UTC+1 No.5061232 Report

>>5061228
incorrect, some are but generally people are decent. NEETs generally aren't, because of the type of person that becomes NEET
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:44 UTC+1 No.5061236 Report

>>5061196
>Yes, I am sure most NEETs are on the level of Nietsche on intellectual productivity.
Nietzsche would probably laugh at your silly utilitarian approach to life. Nothing great can come from that. It's from opulence and freedom to fuck around that greatness comes, not from a lowly obsession with productivity and pragmatism.

>Even the people who sub anime aren't full NEETs.
If they don't get paid for it they are full NEETs. Volunteers are also NEETs.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:44 UTC+1 No.5061237 Report

>>5061228
Yes, I agree since wage slaves usually means urban atheist shits and most family-owned businesses are owned by christian who are rarely wageslaves.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:45 UTC+1 No.5061238 Report

>>5061230
Wow, that's some high-grade existential perturbation, anon. Chomp on cock, eat shit, fuck to death, wont be sexually attracted to me? You got some issues, dude.

And that right there is why it's all the same in the end for most people.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:47 UTC+1 No.5061239 Report

>>5061229
>master of the universe
i guess you could say that job would be pretty neet
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:47 UTC+1 No.5061240 Report

>>5061238
What that guy was saying, really, Feminister, is that he doesn't really mean it, he just hates his existence, feels powerless, etc.
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Feminister 06/26/14(Thu)15:47 UTC+1 No.5061241 Report

>>5061219
Who you callin ugly, tough guy??!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:49 UTC+1 No.5061246 Report

>>5061219
>you will never be in feminister's union of egoists
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:52 UTC+1 No.5061252 Report

>>5060991
most bro workfag itt would get high with
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:53 UTC+1 No.5061254 Report

All right, life is boring for me now too. I now understand every single thing about humanity. Feminister was my last puzzle, but she was too easy.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:55 UTC+1 No.5061260 Report

>>5061254
>negging girls on an oriental animated film discussion website
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Feminister 06/26/14(Thu)15:57 UTC+1 No.5061267 Report

>>5061254
>mfw Beauvoir was right and the deifying of women relates to them being considered mysterious and confusing
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:57 UTC+1 No.5061269 Report

>>5061260
>negging
Lmao
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:58 UTC+1 No.5061274 Report

>>5061260
>What are you doing, son?
>Get out of my room, mom! I'm busy photoshopping Nietzche's face onto a photo of a man tipping his hat in order to discredit a man whose works I've never read!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)15:59 UTC+1 No.5061275 Report

Hey, it might have actually been negging though, I pretty much do that shit on automatic.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:00 UTC+1 No.5061278 Report

>>5061267
No she wasn't right. Haven't you been reading a fucking thing I've been saying, Jesus.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:06 UTC+1 No.5061303 Report

Woman: "Oooh, look at me, I'm mysterious, ooh!"
Pfffft. Women are basically a women granted men by god.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:07 UTC+1 No.5061307 Report

>>5061303
>weapon
See, that's why those two words are so similar too.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:08 UTC+1 No.5061312 Report

They're literally right next to each other in the noun-center of the brain.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:11 UTC+1 No.5061321 Report

God, I had this discussion with my mother just the other day.
>YOU HAVE TO GET A JOB! NEETS ARE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY!
>Why, mother?
>BECAUSE MY MOTHER SAID SO!
lol. Wage slaves can't construct a reasonable argument because there isn't one. They've been brainwashed into thinking that being a NEET is evil. It's pathetic, really.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:18 UTC+1 No.5061340 Report

/lit/ is full of try hard late teen plebian thinkers who don't realize the NEET life is the best way to attain NIRVANA in our times

brotip: forget about attaining nirvana in this life if you have a job or wife, you're doomed to at least 15 more lives before waking up and becoming a neet monk

that is all
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:21 UTC+1 No.5061345 Report

>>5061321
>Wage slaves can't construct a reasonable argument because there isn't one.

They dont need to cause they are the majority. So, engaging in discussion will do nothing cause if they have aeffectively been brainwashed as you say, they take their views as facts.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)16:57 UTC+1 No.5061458 Report

>>5061340
If there is no self, who reincarnates?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)17:01 UTC+1 No.5061472 Report

>>5061345
Watching you broke shut-ins justify your pathetic excuse for lives is hilarious.

>S-s-stop posting your bookshelves guys I bet you don't even read
>Stupid normies ;_;

We really should just purge all your worthless, parasitic Eliot Rogers. No one wants you.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)17:09 UTC+1 No.5061503 Report

>>5061472
>he says, posting on 4chan anyway
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)17:36 UTC+1 No.5061597 Report

>>5061472

well, you're obviously taking the edgy route, but the fact that "normal" people say similarly hostile things certainly isn't going to encourage NEETs to change their ways. someone isn't going to want to join a society that has shown them zero empathy their whole lives.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:28 UTC+1 No.5061798 Report

>>5060243
>Absolute worst case scenario, a NEET finds that he was right, the working world was not for him
That's me. I stopped working for a couple years and used up my savings and it was the happiest time of my life. I grew as a person, made friends, had nice experiences.
Then I ran out of money and had to find a job again and now I'm drifting deeper into depression with every passing week and the only thing keeping me alive is the prospect of being able to take some time off in a couple years again, although I'm not sure I can make it until then. Work is just torturous.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:33 UTC+1 No.5061813 Report

>>5061185
I hate it when people just spout nonsense with confidence. Learn some economics, your ideas are inane.
Also good luck convincing people that they should work hard so some asshat can jerk off to anime all day, I'm sure the slave will be glad to hear that you let him work for you instead of taking his job and sending him the money.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)18:58 UTC+1 No.5061911 Report

>>5058879
I'm not a NEET, but to be honest, who cares about concerts or movies or theatre? I read mostly and I see how obsessed my girlfriend is with movies, and buying things and it disgusts me.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:02 UTC+1 No.5061928 Report

>>5061145
Did Buddha ever had a job?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:04 UTC+1 No.5061931 Report

>>5061225
so? 99% of everyone are pieces of shit.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:05 UTC+1 No.5061936 Report

>>5061813
>I hate it when people just spout nonsense with confidence. Learn some economics, your ideas are inane.
Which part of my post is nonsense and why?
>Also good luck convincing people that they should work hard so some asshat can jerk off to anime all day
Welfare exists because people want it to exist. They are already convinced.
>I'm sure the slave will be glad to hear that you let him work for you instead of taking his job and sending him the money.
They literally are. All the people who are looking to get a job per definition don't want other people to get in the way.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:06 UTC+1 No.5061942 Report

>>5061928
No, TruNEET if there ever was one. When the time came for him to put some work in he ran away from home and went Diogenes mode.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)19:28 UTC+1 No.5062015 Report

>>5061942
Well, it's not like Jesus really worked after he turned 25 I guess. Nor did Mohammed. Lao Tse maybe but he was just sneaky and relaxed all day.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)20:34 UTC+1 No.5062255 Report

>>5062015
All the great were NEET when they achieved their greatness. Work was at best a folly of youth for them.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)20:42 UTC+1 No.5062285 Report

NEETs who have made priceless contributions to literature:
Abraham
Moses
Buddha
Jesus
Mohammed
Schopenhauer
Dickens
Dostoevsky
Nabokov
Stephen King
Bret Easton Ellis
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:08 UTC+1 No.5062401 Report

>>5062285
Writing makes them non-NEET, and Jesus was a carpenter
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:11 UTC+1 No.5062414 Report

>>5062401
Making a living of your writing makes you EET, not writing itself. Otherwise anyone with a hobby isn't NEET.
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Steki 06/26/14(Thu)21:35 UTC+1 No.5062475 Report

>>5058879
>they life they're living is without money

Stopped reading right there.
Money shouldn't be #1 motivator, it should be a motivator but the fact you list it first and then continue droning on about why money is important is exactly why you don't understand NEET mentality.

Most NEETs are "well-off" because they have food shelter and an infinite amount of things to entertain them (an internet connection, really).

You really don't understand NEETs.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:37 UTC+1 No.5062481 Report

>>5062285
Pynchon
Diogenes of Sinope
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Steki 06/26/14(Thu)21:38 UTC+1 No.5062483 Report

>>5058928
>Plus, there's the whole hassle of getting tickets, getting there without getting lost, risking getting hit by a drunk driver or getting a fender bender, etc. Whereas at home you can get some beer, some candy, some popcorn, some ice cream...
hahaha
oh wow jesus christ

you know like, if you go out to buy food, on the trip to the supermarket a flower pot can fall right on your head from the 7th floor and kill you right on the spot.

you shouldn't buy food, order that shit online
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Steki 06/26/14(Thu)21:53 UTC+1 No.5062546 Report

>>5061225
whats the other 1%
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)21:57 UTC+1 No.5062558 Report

>>5062481
Pynchon was a technical writer for Boeing before he astounded the literary world with "V."

You guys are just some fat losers who write a paragraph in a week and think work is a sucker's game.

The truth is some work is a sucker's game. Other work (like technical writing for Boeing) is cool as fuck. The difference is you guys can't get jobs that are worth having.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:01 UTC+1 No.5062572 Report

>>5062558
How is technical writing for Boeing cool as fuck?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:05 UTC+1 No.5062586 Report

>>5062572
It's not. EETs are just desperate to justify working!
>R-Really, guys! Making money for other people is cool!
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:13 UTC+1 No.5062612 Report

>>5060604
I like how all of works are in the Anarchist Library.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:16 UTC+1 No.5062621 Report

>>5062586
the only desperation here is you calling the number on the back of your ebt card to find out why you didn't get your monthly "entitlement" yet

>>5062572
not that guy, but technical writing for boeing does sound cool as fuck. it's like being a literary astronaut.

and wasn't his most famous book about rockets and rocket propulsion?
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)22:40 UTC+1 No.5062686 Report

>>5058999
>Boredom is antithetical to happiness (and don't try to fucking kid me, if you're NEET you are very much bored with life).
>2014
People still think this, wow.
Punching through boredom to the other side is one of more complete happiness you can feel m8.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:11 UTC+1 No.5062811 Report

>>5062483
ok, I will order a pizza
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:15 UTC+1 No.5062814 Report

>>5062483
are you familiar with road rage? driving long distances can be annoying as fuck
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:16 UTC+1 No.5062817 Report

NEET-related threads are always a massive train wreck. Let's just agree that the preferable lifestyle is probably somewhere in the middle: four hours of work a day that's at least somewhat creative (not menial), and having the rest of the day for leisurely activities.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:25 UTC+1 No.5062847 Report

>>5060604
underrated post
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:27 UTC+1 No.5062856 Report

>>5062817
>Let's just agree that the preferable lifestyle is probably somewhere in the middle: four hours of work a day
No.

Why would four hours be better than none? Ruins your whole day.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:42 UTC+1 No.5062901 Report

>>5062856

I'm currently a NEET, but I'd like to be working for four hours a day, as long it's not something like flipping burgers or bagging groceries. But okay, just ignore my post. This is entirely subjective. I guess that's what it generates a lot of contention.
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:43 UTC+1 No.5062906 Report

>>5062901

I guess that's why*
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:48 UTC+1 No.5062922 Report

>>5062901
get a job
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Anonymous 06/26/14(Thu)23:57 UTC+1 No.5062951 Report

>>5062901
Don't get a job in fast food. You should encourage those fat bastards who munge burgers all day. You might earn a living put later you have to pay their medical bill. Don't do it.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)00:05 UTC+1 No.5062969 Report

>>5060341
>From what you've written, I'm not sure you'd be content with an endless summer.
It's a good album though.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)01:54 UTC+1 No.5063252 Report

>>5060980

These aren't NEET specific, but they are generally denied to NEETs. That job at Walmart would remove two hard barriers to getting a date, namely a lack of funds to date with and a lack of social exposure to other people whom one could date.

It obviously won't get a NEET a date automatically, but it certainly is a step in the right direction.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:02 UTC+1 No.5063265 Report

>>5060461

It's literally biological instinct to want to reproduce and have children, all other ideas in your post just stem from this idea. The pattern and "plan" you complain about is biological in nature and is only affected by companies, not created by them.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:02 UTC+1 No.5063267 Report

>>5062969
Hell yeah son I see you reppin that Fennesz, that's my favorite album
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:03 UTC+1 No.5063270 Report

>>5060947

How is living an undenlightened individualist lifestyle treating you?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:11 UTC+1 No.5063300 Report

>>5062558
>The difference is you guys can't get jobs that are worth having.
So if the possibility is precluded to them what's the point of them not being NEET? You don't really think stuff through before posting, do you?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:14 UTC+1 No.5063312 Report

>>5063300
obviously, he just wanted to put them in their place (remind them they're there not really out of choice)
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:16 UTC+1 No.5063327 Report

>>5063267
My nig.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:25 UTC+1 No.5063353 Report

>>5063312
why does it matter if they are there by choice? cant they still enjoy themselves anyways?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:37 UTC+1 No.5063377 Report

>>5063265
>appeal to nature

Dropped. You people have nothing, as always.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:44 UTC+1 No.5063391 Report

>>5063353
Not that guy, but NEETs here are pretty arrogant. I can see the merit in it all.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:54 UTC+1 No.5063409 Report

A Confederacy of Dunces.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:56 UTC+1 No.5063414 Report

lmao this piece of shit thread is still alive. Jesus christ guys. stahp
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:57 UTC+1 No.5063417 Report

>>5063391
>NEETs here are pretty arrogant.
they're not the ones who have been actively insulting the other party the whole time-
they aren't even the ones who hijacked the thread.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)02:59 UTC+1 No.5063424 Report

>>5063417
>hijacked the thread
oh you mean the same fucking thread that's posted here literally every other day?
>HEY /LIT/ RECOMMEND ME SOME GOOD NEET LITERATURE
No. The term hijack implies this thread was going somewhere.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)03:01 UTC+1 No.5063427 Report

>>5063424
>oh lord why are people who don't browse the board regularly coming here for specific recommendations?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)03:41 UTC+1 No.5063554 Report

>>5060167
>Traveling, dating, partying are further examples
Are you a teenager?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)03:44 UTC+1 No.5063562 Report

>>5061018
Well, he's not considered a 'success'.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)07:55 UTC+1 No.5064133 Report

>>5063554

>>5063554

Wanting to travel the world isn't a goal most teenagers have, it's too abstract, has no immediate benefit, and is really fucking expensive. NEETs, unfortunately, will never have the chance to travel to even a different city, let alone a different country.

I'd accept that you might not be interested in partying or dating. I'd also posit that you're probably in no position to get invited to do the former and have been given the opportunity to do the latter, so I sense sour grapes.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)08:25 UTC+1 No.5064259 Report

>>5063554
He's a normalfag. I do hate NEETs, but normalfags are just as retarded with their concepts of fun. Both are pathetic fucks and amoral trash.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)08:31 UTC+1 No.5064279 Report

>>5059018
How many NEET's were here prior to 2006?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)15:31 UTC+1 No.5065278 Report

catch 22
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)15:35 UTC+1 No.5065287 Report

>>5064279
I have no idea. What's your point?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)15:39 UTC+1 No.5065293 Report

>>5058144
Ah, I see, looking for scholarly justification for your embarrassing lifestyle?

Stop being a bitch
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)15:40 UTC+1 No.5065294 Report

>>5064133
>NEETs, unfortunately, will never have the chance to travel to even a different city, let alone a different country.
But they have. Welfare NEETs have disposable income. And travel isn't all that expensive any more, and if you know what you're doing it doesn't have to cost more than staying at home.

>I'd accept that you might not be interested in partying or dating. I'd also posit that you're probably in no position to get invited to do the former and have been given the opportunity to do the latter, so I sense sour grapes.
I've partied and dated more than enough, that is where my position stems from. If you're an adult and you spend your time and money travelling, partying and dating you haven't learned much along the way.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)15:41 UTC+1 No.5065299 Report

>>5058901
HOW ABOUT THEM APPLES
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)20:47 UTC+1 No.5066278 Report

>>5061216
Gross girls who post on 4chan don't really count.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)20:50 UTC+1 No.5066289 Report

I used to have the mindset until I got kicked out of my parents house for being a faggot

when you have to take care of yourself you realize there's nothing sexy about being a layabout and a true mensch tackles and dominates life in all of its challenges. which means understanding art, having knowledge *and* knowing the meaning of work
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:37 UTC+1 No.5066451 Report

>>5065287
Maybe NEET culture is on the rise because our last recession in 2007 turned every city into a ghost town.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:39 UTC+1 No.5066456 Report

>>5066451
>NEET culture
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:43 UTC+1 No.5066464 Report

>>5058144
Notes From The Underground
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:44 UTC+1 No.5066467 Report

>>5066456
You ever been to /r9k ?
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:44 UTC+1 No.5066470 Report

>>5066289
You mean you can't mentally afford to acknowledge that doing what you want to do is superior to some shitty job any more.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:46 UTC+1 No.5066475 Report

>>5066467

>Cesspool of morons
>Constant lamentation of having no relationships, either romantic or social
>No hope
>No money
>No original content despite being the only board where original content is a rule

If that's NEET culture, fuck that.
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:50 UTC+1 No.5066488 Report

>>5066475
C-c-cry more wage slave... G-good goy ;_;
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:52 UTC+1 No.5066495 Report

>>5066470

yes, we agree then that when it's do or die a mensch doesn't pussy out and die
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Anonymous 06/27/14(Fri)21:52 UTC+1 No.5066497 Report

>>5066475
Peace and Love for you.
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)00:47 UTC+1 No.5067101 Report

>>5066495
you should write motivational poster text
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)04:05 UTC+1 No.5067704 Report

>>5058144
Crimethinc
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)04:16 UTC+1 No.5067720 Report

>>5058879
I've been in the army for the last 6 months or so due to National Service. I've fired a gun, thrown a grenade, lived in the forest for a week, marched non-stop for 24 km, exercised, learned how to save people as a medic, met with all kinds of new people, been shouted at by all kinds of new people.

I can positively say now that what constitutes the 'big world' is extremely overrated. A man who has never lived in the comfort of solitude and small spaces is extremely pitiful.
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)04:20 UTC+1 No.5067730 Report

>>5067720
>Works for 6 months in daycare for adults
>>I can positively say now that what constitutes the 'big world' is extremely overrated.

everyone, point and laugh
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)04:50 UTC+1 No.5067800 Report

>>5067730
diogenes > alexander

faget
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)11:15 UTC+1 No.5068725 Report

The Tao Te Cheng, fuck this thread for never mentioning it. Bump so everyone can see how damn ashamed they are of themselves for such a terrible display of book recommendations, even when OP's picture is a simplified version of one of the most popular passages in the book.
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)11:25 UTC+1 No.5068741 Report

>>5068725
uh huh.
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Anonymous 06/28/14(Sat)15:28 UTC+1 No.5069358 Report

>>5068725
pls post the passage
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