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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)02:26 UTC+1 No.4981104 Report

Tell me about the "poverty of social relationships"?

What book would best fit this? Capitalism estranging us from ourselves? The simulacra committing murder of friendship?

pls help, am lonely.
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« ???????? » 06/07/14(Sat)05:23 UTC+1 No.4981756 Report

>>4981104
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)05:31 UTC+1 No.4981781 Report

>>4981104
Kafka, Rilke's Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge, Nausea. Basically most modernist, continental literature.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:40 UTC+1 No.4982484 Report

>>4981104
is this the actor from breathless?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)10:41 UTC+1 No.4982487 Report

>>4982484
Yes, it's a movei from the same director.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)12:34 UTC+1 No.4982766 Report

That's pretty much DFW's main concern.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)13:35 UTC+1 No.4982967 Report

>>4982484
yeah

It's Pierrot le Fou, same director.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:44 UTC+1 No.4983837 Report

>>4982766
why is there poverty in social relationships? what does dfw think?
has it always been this way?
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)18:45 UTC+1 No.4983843 Report

>>4981104
Godard is such a hack.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:46 UTC+1 No.4983846 Report

>>4982766
i find it a lot in george saunders, raymond carver, richard ford. it seems to be an american thing?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:48 UTC+1 No.4983851 Report

>>4983843
>>4982484
Plebs.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:48 UTC+1 No.4983856 Report

>>4981104
pierrot le fou is my favourite movie.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:54 UTC+1 No.4983877 Report

not op, but bumping

this is my main interest lately because im asocial but being around other people just makes me feel worse
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:55 UTC+1 No.4983880 Report

Being lonely is good.

Why does everyone equate loneliness with sadness?
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)18:57 UTC+1 No.4983888 Report

>>4983880
That guy looks too old to be so edgy.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)18:58 UTC+1 No.4983889 Report

>>4983888
>"That guy"
>not knowing Ionesco

Just leave
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)18:59 UTC+1 No.4983898 Report

>>4983889
>Ionesco
aka bargain Beckett
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:01 UTC+1 No.4983908 Report

>>4983898
"Rhinoceros" is hands-down better crafted and more poignant than anything Beckett ever wrote.

Try again.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:02 UTC+1 No.4983912 Report

If i were to get into so-called Theatre of the Absurd, where should i start?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:02 UTC+1 No.4983915 Report

Society of the Spectacle
Simulacra and Simulation
One-Dimensional Man
The Revolution of Everyday Life
The Most Radical Gesture
Pedagogy of the Oppressed
Negative Dialectics
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:03 UTC+1 No.4983918 Report

>>4983888
You're legit dumb.

Tell me, why is it always the most talentless gaff machines who don trips?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:03 UTC+1 No.4983920 Report

>>4983912
Life is absurd, just take a minute to watch the news and you'll see the best TofA play going
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:03 UTC+1 No.4983922 Report

>>4983920
>tf
b-b-besides that
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:04 UTC+1 No.4983923 Report

>>4983837
Because under capitalism even the most personal gestures are mediated by the commodity form, and are experienced at one remove.

tl;dr capitalism has destroyed everything.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:04 UTC+1 No.4983924 Report

>>4983908
I like Ionesco, but Rhinoceros holds nothing to Footfalls or Krapp's Last Tape.

Try again.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:06 UTC+1 No.4983930 Report

>>4983924
>Footfalls or Krapp's Last Tape.

Jesus. You're not even trying.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:07 UTC+1 No.4983935 Report

>>4983923
on a related note

how do you guys (i.e., marxists) deal with the dissonance between your views and the accepted economic status quo that, lets be realistic, shows no signs of significantly changing
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:07 UTC+1 No.4983938 Report

>>4981104
Why haven't you read this yet OP
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:08 UTC+1 No.4983942 Report

>>4983935
Alcoholism and gallows humour for me.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:08 UTC+1 No.4983945 Report

>>4983930
I bet you think Godot is the best thing he wrote
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:09 UTC+1 No.4983947 Report

>>4983945
No, "Endgame" is.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:10 UTC+1 No.4983953 Report

>>4983935
Empty masturbation to child pornography as a silent revolt against the oppressive Capitalist system
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:10 UTC+1 No.4983957 Report

>>4983935
>shows no signs of significantly changing

On the contrary, the contradictions of capitalism appear to be catching up with it more and more everyday.

I'm only a "Marxist" insofar that I believe that Marxian theory and critique (i.e. crit theory) will be the only thing that removes us from the throes of capitalism. That critique equally applies to Marx's work as well. There was much he got wrong, or didn't account for.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:11 UTC+1 No.4983961 Report

>>4983947
"Not I" is better than that trite piece of shit, and "Not I" is fucking awful.

Christ, even "Film" is better.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:12 UTC+1 No.4983967 Report

>>4983957
right now im reading the first volume of das kapital. i already read wage labor and capital and value price and profit.

where should i go from there, in terms of political economy?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:12 UTC+1 No.4983968 Report

>>4981104

God I fucking hate Godard.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:13 UTC+1 No.4983972 Report

>>4983957
So you're a critical theory sack of human shit?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:13 UTC+1 No.4983973 Report

>>4983968
if godard is so bad, then why are there so many gifs off his movies on tumblr?

check m8, contrarian
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:13 UTC+1 No.4983979 Report

>>4983967
Honestly, if you want to get the most out of Kapital, I'd suggest following along with David Harvey's lecture series:

https://www.youtube.com/user/readingcapital
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:14 UTC+1 No.4983982 Report

>>4983972
And so on
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:15 UTC+1 No.4983983 Report

>>4983843
>that insightful post
Of course, it has to be a fucking tripfag...
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:15 UTC+1 No.4983984 Report

>>4983908
>le_turning_into_le_rhinoceros_meme_face.gig
such random very depth wow
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:15 UTC+1 No.4983986 Report

>>4983973

>why is the posterchild of nonconformity and independent filmmaking/cinephilia on tumblr
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:16 UTC+1 No.4983991 Report

>>4983851
>>4983983
Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:17 UTC+1 No.4983999 Report

>>4983984
>If I use an overly simplistic and derogatory description of something, maybe people will think it's an argument

Kill yourself, seriously....
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:19 UTC+1 No.4984006 Report

>>4983991
>Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.
That's a nice opinion, mate. And so extremely well argued!
Maybe you should link your blog, so we all can enjoy your profound ideas!
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:19 UTC+1 No.4984009 Report

>>4983999
>Kill yourself, seriously....
*tips fedora*
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:20 UTC+1 No.4984016 Report

>>4983991

>you will never live herzog's life
>you'll never work with him
>you'll never get to bro it up with him in the jungle
>you'll never have his endurance or voice

JDISMA.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:20 UTC+1 No.4984020 Report

>>4984006

That would be Werner Herzog's opinion. google it.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:21 UTC+1 No.4984026 Report

>>4984016
I liked how >>4984006 didn't even appear to recognize the quotation. Some cinephile he is.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:21 UTC+1 No.4984027 Report

>>4983991
Fuck off back to /mu/ you hack
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:22 UTC+1 No.4984030 Report

>>4983991
Can't form you own opinions?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:22 UTC+1 No.4984035 Report

>>4984009
Feel free to tell the class why exactly Ionesco is bad/a hack/whatever you prefer!
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:24 UTC+1 No.4984047 Report

>>4984020
Maybe, but I'm asking him specifically. Herzog might have his reasons for it, but if the tripfag can't argue for himself, he just took over some opinion from someone without any actual substance/knowledge about what he is talking about
>>4984026
So, appeal to authority aside, please elaborate!
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:24 UTC+1 No.4984049 Report

>That Ingmar bergman and Werner Herzog quotes on Godard
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:24 UTC+1 No.4984050 Report

>>4984035
>bad/a hack/whatever
see >>4983898
>aka bargain Beckett

PATRICIAN TIP: Bargain Beckett is still OK.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:27 UTC+1 No.4984060 Report

>>4984047
His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:31 UTC+1 No.4984076 Report

>>4983984
>le_turning_into_le_rhinoceros_meme_face.gig
>such random very depth wow

>>4984050
Backpaddling like a champ...
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:32 UTC+1 No.4984085 Report

>>4984060

Gee you talking about yourself there Orson? I mean those first few sentences are you spot on.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:32 UTC+1 No.4984086 Report

>>4983935
A good question. Try to live how you would want. When with my lover, don't use the smart phone, do what we want, talk about how absurd everything is, and still enjoy some of the media.

When alone, think, brood, compare others and try to understand the extent of how their actions are socialized into particular modes of action conducive to the status quo. Smile arrogantly at their ignorance, feel petty, tell myself not to conpare myself to others, masturbate, watch Doctor Who, and consider ways in which social movements accelerate.

We are in Late Capitalisn now dude, things are on the cusp, of this I am certain, and you can trust me. Because I'm not a capitalist shill planted here to delude you. ;-)
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:36 UTC+1 No.4984100 Report

>>4984076
>implying Memenoceros is his only play

>>4984085
>no u
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:37 UTC+1 No.4984107 Report

>>4984100
>implying Memenoceros is his only play
That was never implied anywhere.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:39 UTC+1 No.4984118 Report

>>4984107
Then I was not "backpedaling", unless disdain for a meme play = disdain for all plays by that writer.

PATRICIAN TIP: It doesn't.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:40 UTC+1 No.4984123 Report

>>4984118
Then explain what bothers you about Rhinoceros if you dislike it so much.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:41 UTC+1 No.4984128 Report

>>4984085

"All of us will always owe him everything." -Godard on Based Welles.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:44 UTC+1 No.4984146 Report

>>4984123
Not unless you refer to it by its rightful name Memenoceros.
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)19:47 UTC+1 No.4984158 Report

>>4984146
>Memenoceros
Epic, simply epic...
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 8fds6OEsrQ 06/07/14(Sat)19:48 UTC+1 No.4984159 Report

I don't actually know what I'm talking about. Just bored.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)19:57 UTC+1 No.4984195 Report

>>4984159
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06/07/14(Sat)19:58 UTC+1 No.4984199 Report

MEEEEEEEEEEEEK
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:01 UTC+1 No.4984209 Report

>>4983843
>>>/mu/
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)20:03 UTC+1 No.4984215 Report

GIDF out in force itt
>>>/tumblr/
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:05 UTC+1 No.4984227 Report

>>4984215
>GIDF out in force itt
>>>/pol/
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:09 UTC+1 No.4984240 Report

>>4984209
>>>/tv/
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)20:12 UTC+1 No.4984256 Report

Zooomunga im smart with words and say about plays
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)20:19 UTC+1 No.4984289 Report

>>4981104
>pic
I'm probably not missing out on not watching nouvelle vague.
too bad tho because i like anna
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)21:29 UTC+1 No.4984547 Report

>>4984256
You have bad taste in music
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)21:39 UTC+1 No.4984579 Report

>>4983953
This doesn't surprise me at all.
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Classy Lad *Tipsfedora* 06/07/14(Sat)22:47 UTC+1 No.4984732 Report

>>4984215
>Activates fedora
>Engaged full autism
>Tipping intensifies

Mate, are you even evening?
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Anonymous 06/07/14(Sat)22:51 UTC+1 No.4984748 Report

>>4984732

Top kek here.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:04 UTC+1 No.4985933 Report

there is no reason to hate godard. the ppl saying that talk like teenagers 'omg i hate ____ ' it just sounds so silly. save that for when you talk about bubble tea or gossip girls
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:34 UTC+1 No.4986023 Report

>>4983915
Having read Society of the Spectacle (aka my favourite book), Simulacra and Revolutions, am I ready to tackle the rest of these books? Also, don't Critique of Everyday Life fit in with the rest of them?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:36 UTC+1 No.4986026 Report

>>4983942
Are you me?

Are we Debord?

Wanna make out?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:36 UTC+1 No.4986030 Report

>>4983991
plagiarist
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:40 UTC+1 No.4986047 Report

>>4984049
bergman reckt everyone so hard.

in his own way though he himself was sorta pretentious. always ragged on antonioni for being too boring. if youre at all serious with film you run the risk of being boring. you have to think of your self as making films for people who are going to want to make the effort of paying attention. you cant satisfy everybody
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:43 UTC+1 No.4986063 Report

>>4985933
Who could hate bubble tea?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:44 UTC+1 No.4986064 Report

>>4983880
Holy shit, I had no idea who Ionesco was! Thanks mate.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)05:44 UTC+1 No.4986066 Report

i didn't like godard until after this thread
fuck you clit
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)06:04 UTC+1 No.4986112 Report

>>4981104
>Capitalism estranging us from ourselves?
What you need to understand is that Marxism is just as poisonous if not more so than Capitalism. Putting everything in class and economic values is soul deadening. Ideally we would have religion but seeing as that is no longer possible we have to look for something else. Don't ask me what, all I know is that when you devalue everything to economic arguments you sell yourself regardless to the "dismal science".
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)06:19 UTC+1 No.4986147 Report

>>4986112
>Don't ask me what, all I know is that when you devalue everything to economic arguments you sell yourself regardless to the "dismal science".

The answer lies in poiesis young Dasein.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)06:37 UTC+1 No.4986189 Report

>>4984049
I've seen four Godard films (Breathless, A Woman is a Woman, Pierrot Le Fou, and Band of Outsiders) and everytime I would watch one more and not like it people would just say those weren't his good ones. Well, what are his good ones, huh? What are the good ones?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)07:01 UTC+1 No.4986261 Report

>>4986189
but but those jump cuts
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)07:07 UTC+1 No.4986277 Report

>>4986147
implying there even exists a person who could 'be there'.


sooo late capitalism's tentacles, and neoliberalism (like Houellebecq says) are in all life. And the factory floor, the call centre, the office, the technology, and so on socializes human existence (medium is message still relevant?) estranging us from ourselves and each other?

Is it pleb now to think content/message is what is the problem?
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)07:12 UTC+1 No.4986301 Report

>>4984049
Werner Herzog.... he gave us this boy
https://twitter.com/simonherzog

thanks herzog -.-
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)09:08 UTC+1 No.4986603 Report

Godard presaged most clitizens' disposition 50 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0i8XR9Cztc

cig, espresso, eying gril in coffee shop, late capitalism, existentialism, etc.

He can be really hard to stomach for the uninitiated, but a lot of people here might appreciate La Chinoise, based on The Possessed.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)09:13 UTC+1 No.4986621 Report

>>4986189
Those are several of his good ones, and you dont' have to like them if you don't want to.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)11:37 UTC+1 No.4986880 Report

>>4986189
> what are his good ones?
Vivre sa Vie
Week End
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)12:17 UTC+1 No.4986965 Report

>>4986112

>Ideally we would have religion

Capitalism is a religion.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)13:58 UTC+1 No.4987150 Report

>>4986189

I like Godard, but even I'd say that only 2 or 3 Things I Know about Her, and Week End are his really interesting 60's films.

Masculin Feminin and La Chinoise are humorous.

Alphaville has merit, but it's broad and a bit all over the place (which might be a good summation of JLG's style)

Both Breathless and Band of Outsiders bother me because there's nothing substantial about them.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)14:03 UTC+1 No.4987157 Report

>>4987150

Actually, I might make a quick swerve and put Week End in both the 'really interesting' and 'humorous' categories. I also really like his short-film in Ro.Go.Pa.G.

And yes I realise that I'm just picking films from his 'cinematic' period, but that's because I'm not well-versed in his later works. I've seen four or five and if you wanted an opinion, Film Socialisme strikes me as the most interesting one of these (Tout Va Bien, King Lear, Film Socialisme, Histoire Du Cinema, Suave Qui Peut)

Tout Va Bien is a later film which gets a lot of praise but it's so banal that I can't help but dismiss it.

Passion is another film that has a high-rep but I haven't seen it so I can't comment on it.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)18:07 UTC+1 No.4987765 Report

>>4981104
You seriously need to read Allan Bloom's masterpiece "Love & Friendship". "The Closing of the American Mind" is also a must-read.
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Anonymous 06/08/14(Sun)23:16 UTC+1 No.4989067 Report

>>4984086
You sound absolutely insufferable.
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Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)01:12 UTC+1 No.4989491 Report

>>4986063
probably people who don't like tapioca
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Anonymous 06/09/14(Mon)15:53 UTC+1 No.4990767 Report

>>4986063
it's overpriced shit
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