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/lit/ - Literature - There's no narrative anymore

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There's no narrative anymore Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)01:03 UTC+1 No.5017841 Report

I often read here something to the effect of there being no red thread / common narrative anymore in our the west / our society / similar. I feel like that's true, it's something I often thought myself one way or another. But what do you do at this point? Do you create your own narrative? Won't that be inevitably hollow, since it's based on nothing? You can't really base it on most of history after all, since history was part of a narrative that doesn't really seem to be 'in effect' anymore.

Sorry for the shitty english.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)01:17 UTC+1 No.5017896 Report

There has only been one narrative throughout the history of humanity, and that has been that of the hero triumphing over another. They will use either strength to defeat a physical threat to their home, or cunning to outwit someone stronger than they are. They will then be rewarded for their bravery with material wealth or a husband/bride of their choosing.

Because contemporary society has begun to question the sanctity of these common goals, the stories that survived for millions of years in various forms ring hollow to them. Winning by force is masculine and undesirable, winning by cunning underhanded and dishonorable. Fighting for gold is not enlightened enough for a society that wants to pretend it's above money, and fighting for marriage is unthinkable as it--gasp!--objectifies the object of desire.

> Won't that be inevitably hollow, since it's based on nothing?
The growing trend in reaction to literary critique seems to be to Teletubbie-ize narratives. Either you saturate the story with so much harmless fluff that it's too friendly to be threatening (see: the adult obsession with saccharine cartoons) or you make your hero harmless and devoid of ambition, fighting only to perserve the status quo of the audience (Marvel and DC comic stories and movies, The Hunger Games).

>You can't really base it on most of history after all, since history was part of a narrative that doesn't really seem to be 'in effect' anymore.

All historical narratives, since the time of Snorri Sturlson, have been twisted so that they fit the contemporary values that satisfy the storyteller.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)02:14 UTC+1 No.5018063 Report

life is depressing
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)02:47 UTC+1 No.5018161 Report

>>5018063
>Tips fedora
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)02:54 UTC+1 No.5018195 Report

>>5018161
i'm more of a weak willed pomo faggot than a fedora antinatalist. but yeah whatevs
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)02:56 UTC+1 No.5018200 Report

>>5018195
>Tips le fedora
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:06 UTC+1 No.5018236 Report

I don't know I thought Star Wars was pretty good.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:09 UTC+1 No.5018249 Report

>>5017896
>millions of years
kek
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:27 UTC+1 No.5018322 Report

>>5017896
>since the time of Snorri Sturlson
If you're going to troll, try make it slightly less obvious that you're making the people up.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:31 UTC+1 No.5018345 Report

>>5017841

OP that picture has left me awfully depressed and I hate you for that.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:33 UTC+1 No.5018350 Report

>>5018322
>8/10 you almost made me legitimately reply
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:41 UTC+1 No.5018392 Report

>>5017896
>There has only been one narrative throughout the history of humanity, and that has been that of the hero triumphing over another.
But thats not true. The narrative has been winning over some challenge or threat, not 1upping someone in a zero sum game.
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)03:49 UTC+1 No.5018428 Report

>>5018392

Easy there Nash. Both your views translate to the same: it's a game.
How you define it depends on what is convenient, which by turn is highly relative
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)10:59 UTC+1 No.5019402 Report

>>5017841
I want to cry... Oh man, that pic...
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)11:38 UTC+1 No.5019489 Report

>>5017841
reducing my life to that graphic
i dont know how to feel
1/3 of the way in i guess
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Anonymous 06/16/14(Mon)11:52 UTC+1 No.5019510 Report

fucking pic, so much time wasted...
every fucking time I think about my life, I cannot stop thinking about killing myself. the worst part is that I could have died from sickness some years, but I decided not to, just because.
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