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How different would the ending...
Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)21:47 UTC+1 No.10429210 Report

How different would the ending of Gundam Seed Destiny turn out if Destiny fought Freedom, and Legend/Impulse fought Justice for their final battles?

Would anything have changed?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)21:51 UTC+1 No.10429220 Report

>>10429210
No, not really. It'll still be a curbstomp unless someone else writes it.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)21:51 UTC+1 No.10429224 Report

Legend probably would have wrecked Athrun because Athrun isn't a Newtype, and isn't in a position to argue with Rey.

Kira would have curbstomped Shinn because he's fucking Kira.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)21:54 UTC+1 No.10429231 Report

Well for one thing, justice would have lost against Legend. Justice literally has NO answer for funnels other than dodging. And with impulse helping pick apart the close range justice, I think Rey and Lunamaria can pull it off.

Freedom vs Destiny - Kira has shown to have a serious weakness against anti-ship swords and close range weapons. Back in gundam seed, the close range druggies were owning Kira until Athrun saved him in justice.

If the battle of Orb has shown anything, its that even with a newly upgraded Strike Freedom, Kira had to literally resort to grabbing the anti-ship sword BAREHANDED with his suit just to stop Shinn from rampaging about. Plus Kira didn't even damage Destiny in their first encounter with his Strike Freedom. Shinn's weakness is close range specialists list Athrun. Kira is long range, but only "decent" at close range. I think Shinn edges Kira out.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)21:57 UTC+1 No.10429245 Report

>>10429224

If Kira beats Shinn, and Legend beats Athrun do you think Legend + Impulse could beat Strike Freedom (a strike freedom that just came out of a battle with Destiny and might have some moderate damage)?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:00 UTC+1 No.10429257 Report

Kira doesn't have anything that can break Destiny's beam shields. Shinn has the anti-ship sword and the palm beams which tore through Destroy. Shinn would win.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:16 UTC+1 No.10429299 Report

Are you people high? Does anyone REALLLLY believe that it would have made a difference who was fighting who??
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:31 UTC+1 No.10429335 Report

>>10429231
>Justice literally has NO answer for funnels

Except for, you know, shooting them with its rifle. Like everyone does against funnels
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:34 UTC+1 No.10429345 Report

>>10429210
Nothing about that would've altered the ending but 4chan certainly would've been ANGRIER if Kira ended up destroying Destiny instead of Athrun.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.10429358 Report

>>10429345
I wouldn't have. SF trashing Destiny seems like the perfect ending to me.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:43 UTC+1 No.10429371 Report

>>10429358
assram beating the crap out of shinn is more cathartic, though.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:48 UTC+1 No.10429382 Report

>>10429231
>Kira had to literally resort to grabbing the anti-ship sword BAREHANDED with his suit just to stop Shinn from rampaging about.

You know he did that to show off and let Shinn know he was dealing with someone better then him right?

It's why Shinn gets all pissy and goes SEED Mode, because he figures out Ol' Kira is messing with him.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)22:56 UTC+1 No.10429422 Report

>>10429335

You make it sound easy. Athrun has NO experience fighting funnel users. Even Kira, the "ultimate coordinator" got completely owned by funnels the first time he fought Rau in providence.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:00 UTC+1 No.10429443 Report

>>10429422
He's still not wrong. When dealing with funnels/bits, the typical response is to simply shoot them.

So saying the Justice has no answer to funnels is incorrect.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:04 UTC+1 No.10429454 Report

>>10429382

No. If you ACTUALLY watched the two series, then you would know Kira doesn't use his mobile suit to "show off" to send a message to his opponents.

That Seed Destiny scene serves to show Shinn's bizarre point of view about things (which Athrun later points out). The reality, if you look carefully, is that Kira was being pressed and had to deal with a rampaging sword giant-sword swinging Shinn. The giant sword was a threat and Kira had to get rid of it.

Kira used a skillful, but very desperate high risk maneuver in order to disarm Shinn of the very weapon that destroyed Freedom. The fact that Kira had to resort to all that (instead of his usually beam spam pew pew) should tell you that he was being pressed by Shinn.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:06 UTC+1 No.10429464 Report

What difference would it make? Rey and Shinn got curbstomed because they were pressed for time, and had stock footage to use for those battles

All that would happen is Destiny and Legend get wrecked in different ways
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:07 UTC+1 No.10429473 Report

>>10429454
>being this much of a shinnfag

you're husbando a shit
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:08 UTC+1 No.10429478 Report

>>10429443

He is wrong because Athrun isn't nearly as skilled as Kira. And if Kira got owned his first time around with funnels, then Athrun is gonna get wrecked. Athrun is a close range specialist. His suit is all about beam sabers and owning close range. He is at a complete disadvantage.

Any grunt can TRY to shoot funnels, but whether they can actually do it and beat their funnel spamming opponent is an entirely different story.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:09 UTC+1 No.10429479 Report

>>10429443
yea, athrun has high speed because hisback is also a stand thing he can ride on, so he can go really fast and just dodge the funnels, he also has a seed mode, which both luna and rey lack, he would jump on his pack, rush it through rey and use his secondary thrusters to chop down luna, in this destiny time line, luna and rey die, and kira may have lost because like >>10429454
pointed out, kira was on his last legs in the last fight agaisnt shinn, who wouldnt let kira pull the same shit again, then with kira dead, ahtrun gets uber pissed and kills shinn to, now athrun is the hero of all space, but dies from depression because everyone he knew is dead execpt his love who almost married another guy, an his ex who is a crazy bitch
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:09 UTC+1 No.10429480 Report

>>10429422
Athrun briefly fought Rey early in the final battle and had no trouble dodging his Dragoons, so no, Athrun would still have won.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:10 UTC+1 No.10429489 Report

Justice would have owned Legend either way. I fully expect to see Justice using its leg beam sabers to cut through funnels like the giant porcupine suit it is.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:10 UTC+1 No.10429490 Report

>>10429454

No, it's pretty much Kira showing off. Normally he doesn't, but Shinn was the person that had destroyed his Freedom. That aside it's clear in Kira's mannerism that he's not even the least bit put off by Shinn before he does the Blade Grasp- no twisted frowns, gasps, etc, etc.

Also, he never just uses Beam Spam against semi or important characters. The druggies, Extended, Athrun and even the eventual battle against Rey should make such things pretty evident.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:12 UTC+1 No.10429496 Report

>>10429454

Let me sum up what was REALLY wrong with GSD in one picture
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:12 UTC+1 No.10429497 Report

>>10429490
>Also, he never just uses Beam Spam against semi or important characters.
>The druggies, Extended, Athrun and even the eventual battle against Rey should make such things pretty evident.
No wonder he couldn't (or wouldn't) kill any of them.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:15 UTC+1 No.10429513 Report

>>10429497
thats what i thought about in my final battle scenario, kira never kills people, ahtrun always kills people, so if kira lost to shinn, then ahtrun kills everyone
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:16 UTC+1 No.10429514 Report

>>10429490

>gets owned by man who provides evidence
>quotes same evidence to try to back up his failing argument

try harder kirafag. do you pray to the church of yamato as well?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:18 UTC+1 No.10429520 Report

>>10429231
Impulse would be fucking useless. Athrun literally disabled her in seconds.

Rey won't be getting any backup from her. That's assuming she does get in Rey's way and get blasted by him trying to hit Athrun.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:19 UTC+1 No.10429523 Report

>>10429514

You keep thinking Shinn could handle Kira if you want. Everyone else who saw the same space battle where Shinn literally laid not narry a finger on SF will just keep knowing your a retard.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:21 UTC+1 No.10429527 Report

>>10429497

I would say that on Earth, Kira and Athrun only had split seconds to deliver an attack before one of the other druggies came in and helped. It was 3 on 2 after all. Kira & Athrun had to fight conservatively or avoid making a mistaken.

If you look at the space druggie battle. Kira made a mistake and had Freedom's head blown off, his head smashed off, and a wing destroyed. Athrun had to retreat and drag Kira back to the Eternal.

Once Kira & Athrun got the Meteor upgrades, then they could just out power the druggies and finish them (like cutting Calamity in half).
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:22 UTC+1 No.10429535 Report

>>10429520
>That's assuming she does get in Rey's way and get blasted by him trying to hit Athrun.

Oh man, that ending would've been so much more interesting.

Shinn would've stayed a good lapdog despite his waifu getting blown up, of course.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:23 UTC+1 No.10429538 Report

>>10429523

Funny you say that since Shinn is only guy who actually SHOT DOWN kira and walked away with his suit still functioning. Why don't you keep quoting your invisible kira church buddies who all agree with you.

try harder anon
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:26 UTC+1 No.10429545 Report

>>10429538

Had to lose an entire Mobile Suit and some packs to do it too- plus ya know, have Kira holdin back.

Please do tell how any strategy or idea he used during his Impulse Fight is going to help him in Destiny? Will he sacrifice his chest Fly- Oh wait, can't do that. He'll perhaps evade a slash by breakin- not that either.

Well shit, sure seems like he can't do anything that made him successful at shooting down the Freedom anymore.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:27 UTC+1 No.10429552 Report

>>10429538
You did watch the same space battle everyone else did, right? Where shinn tried to charge kira a couple of times and got a face full of HIMAT for his troubles?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:29 UTC+1 No.10429559 Report

>>10429552

Hard to see around Shinn's pelvis, got to suck that dick 24/7- no time to watch Television or nothin'.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:29 UTC+1 No.10429564 Report

>>10429527
Meteor actually put them at a disadvantage when fighting one on one battles.

Kira almost got the Freedom trashed because of MUH FEELINGS and MUH FRRAY

Overall, the druggies just served as a placeholder enemy until Rau showed up, lol
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:31 UTC+1 No.10429573 Report

>>10429559
What dick?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:32 UTC+1 No.10429578 Report

>>10429573
You know, that explains why luna looks so confused in some scenes with shinn
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:35 UTC+1 No.10429599 Report

>>10429490

>That aside it's clear in Kira's mannerism that he's not even the least bit put off by Shinn
>no twisted frowns, gasps, etc, etc

get told kirafags
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:39 UTC+1 No.10429617 Report

>>10429599

Nice try Bitchtits, Kira doesn't even SEED until RIGHT before he does the Blade Grasp. So that image can't be from before~
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:39 UTC+1 No.10429618 Report

Wait, did Destiny always have that mini wrist shield in OP's pick? Wouldn't it overlap with the beam shield?
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:42 UTC+1 No.10429635 Report

>>10429538
Yes in one very specific circumstance where many factors were in his favor, Shinn defeated Kira.

Except the following 3 encounters Shinn failed to score a single hit while Kira made Shinn look like a fool once in each battle.

Clearly Shinn cannot easily win in a situation where he doesn't have total control of the battlefield.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:43 UTC+1 No.10429639 Report

These people defending Kira are the worst thing to happen to Gundam. How can anyone defend such a boring uninteresting god character that beats all his enemies. It ruined the franchise.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:44 UTC+1 No.10429647 Report

>>10429639
They're not defending kira, they're making fun of the guy who has his mouth wrapped around shinn's imaginary dick.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:47 UTC+1 No.10429659 Report

>>10429647

By taking sucking the dick of another character even harder? BROJOB BROJOB BROJOB CHOO CHOO

Not what I call a win.

If it were up to me I would eradicate the entire gundam seed franchise. Its the worst thing that happened to gundam.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:48 UTC+1 No.10429666 Report

>>10429639
It seems to work ok for superman and batman.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:48 UTC+1 No.10429667 Report

>>10429639
You can think a character is terrible without going all hyperbole about their actual stated abilities.

Kira Yamato is a terrible character. In-universe he is portrayed as an overwhelming powerful pilot. Neither of these things are contradictory and the ease with which he defeats foes is part of what makes him a terrible character.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:49 UTC+1 No.10429671 Report

>>10429490

Oh no our lord and savior Kira is in pain!!! Kira defense force form up!!
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:51 UTC+1 No.10429676 Report

>>10429210

In that new remastered version Shin couldnt get rid of those funnels/Draagons.

He was getting hit by them and losing.

Even Ricardo Felleni a complete normal Human was destroying tons of funnels clear ones to.

Meijin Kawuguci destroyed the legend funnels like they were nothing in episode 15.

So truth be told no Shinn would eventually get beam spammed in outer space.

On the ground he could win. Not easily but it wouldnt be as much as a defeat as stated above.

Athrun could probably beat Rey anywhere. Reys best chance of winning is in space(funnels no work on ground in this timeline). While Shin is on the ground.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:52 UTC+1 No.10429680 Report

>>10429527
>It was 3 on 2 after all.
And Freedom/Justice had a clear advantage thanks to their nuclear engines. All they needed to do was hold those three pukes off until they start running out of power, then shoot them in the back.

>Kira & Athrun had to fight conservatively or avoid making a mistaken.
That's the problem: they're not fighting to kill. Kira's only way of fighting with the Freedom is to disable his foes, but the fucking druggies never gave them a chance to pull his sissy-ass trick. If they were fighting seriously, those three douches would've got killed back on Orb.

>If you look at the space druggie battle. Kira made a mistake and had Freedom's head blown off,
That was because he heard Fllay's voice coming from that capsule. In the middle of a battle, Kira Yamato forgot to fight.

>Once Kira & Athrun got the Meteor upgrades, then they could just out power the druggies and finish them (like cutting Calamity in half).
Kira never killed any of them. Remember that one got finished by the Duel, a unit that's about as powerful as a Strike Dagger.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:53 UTC+1 No.10429686 Report

>>10429667

The point is I don't give a shit. And your fagging up this board with your useless arguments and debates about nonsensical debates (who had the worst frowny face? really?) about a franchise that is the worst out of all animated gundams. Stop wasting board space with a debate on who is king fag in a shit series.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:55 UTC+1 No.10429698 Report

>>10429680
>That's the problem: they're not fighting to kill. Kira's only way of fighting with the Freedom is to disable his foes, but the fucking druggies never gave them a chance to pull his sissy-ass trick. If they were fighting seriously, those three douches would've got killed back on Orb.

Please explain how the Calamity was destroyed. Oh thats right Athrun Attacking from the rear and cutting him in half.

And the Duel is much more powerful then the Strike Dagger.

Kira/Athrun never went easy on the druggies. They tried to kill them.

Kira only spares cannon fodder. If you give him a little trouble your going to hell.
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:55 UTC+1 No.10429701 Report

>>10429686
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:56 UTC+1 No.10429705 Report

>>10429686
But nobody is discussing Gundam AGE
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Anonymous 02/28/14(Fri)23:57 UTC+1 No.10429714 Report

>>10429680

Kira tried to deliver the killing blow to Forbidden. But he ran off.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:02 UTC+1 No.10429748 Report

>>10429698
>And the Duel is much more powerful then the Strike Dagger.
It's not. Duel is as weak as they come. Both are basically the exact same (even with rifles of the same output), except for the Strike Dagger lacking Phase Shift.

>Kira/Athrun never went easy on the druggies. They tried to kill them.
No, they never did. Go watch the battles again. Kira and Athrun left them off over and over. For instance...

>>10429714
>Kira tried to deliver the killing blow to Forbidden. But he ran off.
THEN YOU GO AND FUCKING CHASE HIM! It's not like you have to worry about fuel/battery or being low on armament.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:03 UTC+1 No.10429750 Report

>>10429686
No.

Fuck off and die.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:03 UTC+1 No.10429752 Report

Kira would've won even if he had to fight in a fucking Moebius since he's a terribly written main hero.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:06 UTC+1 No.10429773 Report

>>10429671
Your Kira is no match for Jesus Setsuna plot powers. He'd be here if he wasn't so busy making peace with aliens.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:07 UTC+1 No.10429779 Report

>>10429773
>making peace

They were making babies, anon.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:20 UTC+1 No.10429841 Report

>>10429748

>THEN YOU GO AND FUCKING CHASE HIM! It's not like you have to worry about fuel/battery or being low on armament.

In the immediate scene following it, Kira was sweating profusely, breathing heavily, and was taking huge breathes of air. Its clear that fighting the druggies takes a mental and physical toll. Even if the suit can last, Kira can't last forever.

And even if Kira did chase him, its not the smartest thing to do. An exhausted Kira would be chasing his enemies into the heart of the enemy fleet. He would risk being at a HUGE disadvantage and risk being shot down or captured.

Kira's objective wasn't to kill the druggies, but to defend orb. He can't do that if he flies away from orb and chases every last enemy. Live to fight another day.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:26 UTC+1 No.10429871 Report

>>10429841
>In the immediate scene following it, Kira was sweating profusely, breathing heavily, and was taking huge breathes of air. Its clear that fighting the druggies takes a mental and physical toll. Even if the suit can last, Kira can't last forever.
That's just being a bit agitated, not at the limit of his strength. We're talking about the same character who survived, without barely a scratch, a point-blank explosion that destroyed two mobile suits and melted the cockpit.

>And even if Kira did chase him, its not the smartest thing to do. An exhausted Kira would be chasing his enemies into the heart of the enemy fleet.
Weapons have range. It's not like he was chasing them with a butter knife. And what can the fleet (some small-time surface ships and Strike Daggers) do against the Freedom, the same unit we saw over and over disabling dozens of units at the same time?

>He can't do that if he flies away from orb and chases every last enemy
Those three are a huge threats. And it's not like he was fighting alone.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)00:42 UTC+1 No.10429947 Report

>>10429871

I repeat. It is not the smartest thing to do. Kira is exhausted (or at the very least tired). It makes his reactions slow, and his judgement impaired. He would be chasing the low-power (not dead nor slow) enemy into the heart of their fleet. A armed to teeth fleet that is threatening to crush an entire country. A tired Kira would be alone and shot at from all directions. It is not smart. One stray beam shot from any beam weapons (from either strike daggers or the ships) hitting freedom and is either disabled, captured, or killed.

Yes, kira is not alone. Athrun is there and would in-fact call Kira an idiot and yell at him for trying to press his luck and charge the enemy by himself. Which in fact Athrun did in the space battle and dragged Kira's ass back to the eternal and retreated.

It is not smart. Your plan puts everything on Kira's shoulders. He is the weakest link. And is already tired. Plus he doesn't want to chase them and hunt them down. He wants to protect orb. To do that, he needs to be near it. Even kira needs back up.

If you cannot at least see all that, than I have nothing else to say.
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Anonymous 03/01/14(Sat)01:50 UTC+1 No.10430301 Report

Athrun would have lost.

Kira would have to work a bit harder cuz of giant sword but still win.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:08 UTC+1 No.10434531 Report

Considering Athrun has never actually beaten any Ace pilots before AND never had a boss fight like kira has, I'm hesitant to say Athrun can beat both Legend and Impulse at the same time.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:25 UTC+1 No.10434614 Report

>going on this big dumb argument instead of posting this picture and leaving it at that.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:31 UTC+1 No.10434643 Report

>>10429210
I find it kind of hard to believe that Kira and Athrun are so much better than every other pliot in the universe that they can beat Shinn and Rey without breaking a sweat.

I mean, come on already. Why are we pretending like these mobile suits are near equals or Shinn is apart of the main cast if That's Not Really The Case?
What the hell happened to the writing? I mean, Christ. You know, it's not the "muh characters lost" that's getting to me, it's that it's done so effortless, like Kira and Athrun were just playing around up until now, and since they're older pilots they're that much betterer.

It just comes off like masturbation, like a scene someone would write if they wanted to show how cool their other guy was.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:32 UTC+1 No.10434649 Report

>>10434643
>morosawa
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:50 UTC+1 No.10434741 Report

>>10429371
No.
Shinn should have wiped the floor with Athrun.
If that had happened I would be okay with losing to Kira.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:54 UTC+1 No.10434766 Report

>>10434614

I love how the magazine art and alleged spoilers during its first run were far more entertaining than what actually happened.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)00:56 UTC+1 No.10434773 Report

>>10434766
Fuck man, retarded fan theory and Banepresto white-washing is more entertaining than what actually happened.
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Fllay Allster 03/02/14(Sun)09:54 UTC+1 No.10437026 Report

>>10434643
By Destiny's final battle, they're actually bored. Just look at how 'confused Kira' fared against Legend, he wasn't even trying.

Also, Rey's an idiot, all this talking about him being Rau, yet he doesn't go for the Eternal and try killing Lacus, that would've scared the shit out of Kira.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)12:43 UTC+1 No.10437294 Report

I think the only reason they lost in the show was because of bad match-ups. Destiny has a better chance against freedom. Same with Legend vs Justice
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)20:31 UTC+1 No.10438372 Report

Something curious:
Apparently, 2ch and other Japanese pages call the Biological CPUs "???" (trio of idiots).

>>10429947
>Kira is exhausted (or at the very least tired). It makes his reactions slow, and his judgement impaired.
That's an excuse. When was that an impediment for him, or any pilot? That battle was hardly the limit of his strength.

> He would be chasing the low-power (not dead nor slow) enemy into the heart of their fleet. A armed to teeth fleet that is threatening to crush an entire country.
You continue to underestimate the Freedom and its power. The show showed us several times the power it has against masses of enemies. Those three are a worse threat than an army of Strike Daggers (dinky, stop-gap units that Freedom disables by the dozen), or don't you realize that?

>Athrun is there and would in-fact call Kira an idiot and yell at him for trying to press his luck and charge the enemy by himself.
No, he wouldn't. Note he NEVER scolds him about his way of fighting at any time, unlike his douchebag treatment of Shinn.

>Which in fact Athrun did in the space battle and dragged Kira's ass back to the eternal and retreated.
Kira wasn't fighting then.He dropped the battle to go rescue Fllay.

>Your plan puts everything on Kira's shoulders.
Kira and Athrun. Or, rather, Freedom and Justice.

> Plus he doesn't want to chase them and hunt them down.
That's what makes him a weak, incompetent pilot. Stop making excuses for him.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)20:49 UTC+1 No.10438439 Report

>>10437294
>Bad Matchups
>Melee vs Melee and DRAGOON vs DRAGOON
>Bad Matchup

Really?

It would've ended up even more one-sided in Kira's favor if Destiny went after him. Shinn would just keep trying to get into sword range while Kira just picks apart his unit limb by limb.

While Athrun would have a bit of a harder time granted, he can still control his Fatum 01 independently like a large-scale remote and just carve up each DRAGOON bit while keeping the pressure up on Rey in melee, which Legend absolutely sucks at. And his mastery of SEED Mode further balances the otherwise seemingly imbalanced matchup, as Rey doesn't have that, nor does he have sound mind, trying too hard to be Rau 2.0.
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Mineva Lao Zabi 03/02/14(Sun)21:16 UTC+1 No.10438543 Report

>>10438439
This. Shinn doesn't have a chance against the Strike Freedom in space, where the destiny's only advantage is negated. Like I said, Rey was in the perfect position to win against kira. He just didn't think like Rau enough.


If I was him, I would've sunk the Eternal First.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)22:01 UTC+1 No.10438795 Report

Instead of looking at it from the dumb angle of "duel between this guy and that guy", why don't you look at it like a battle and the available forces for each side?

>ZAFT:
BASES: Messiah with Neo-GENESIS, Requiem
STRATEGIC SHIPS: Minerva, Gondwana
GUNDAMS: Destiny, Legend, Impulse
MPs: Large numbers of ZAKUs and GOUFs. Several Nazca-class.

>TSA:
BASES: n/a
STRATEGIC SHIPS: Eternal, Archangel, Izumo-class (x3)
GUNDAMS: Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice (both armed with METEORs), Akatsuki
MPs: Murasames, DOMs (x3).

>EA
(n/a)
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)22:09 UTC+1 No.10438843 Report

>>10438795
The TSA also had the support of sympathetic EA remnants (mostly Eurasian, but some Atlantic forces as well, though probably the Atlantic Feds are simply deciding that getting Messiah and Requiem shot down is preferable to leaving them both alone), though some of them were blown up by Messiah.

Later, the Jule team turns to non-lethal disabling of their own forces under the statement that the Eternal is still a ZAFT ship and therefore needs extra protection.
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Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)22:14 UTC+1 No.10438879 Report

>>10438843
>The TSA also had the support of sympathetic EA remnants
You mean that token, useless force that was only an excuse for the staff to reuse footage of EA units blowing up?

>(mostly Eurasian, but some Atlantic forces as well, though probably the Atlantic Feds are simply deciding that getting Messiah and Requiem shot down is preferable to leaving them both alone)
All of this parenthical is pure, baseless speculation.

>Later, the Jule team turns to non-lethal disabling of their own forces under the statement that the Eternal is still a ZAFT ship and therefore needs extra protection.
That was Yzak alone with a handful of MS under his command, not the whole Gondwana.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)07:46 UTC+1 No.10441811 Report

People are actually pretending like Shinn was at his best towards the end of the series? The same Shinn that kicked a suit with beam sabers on its legs? The same Shinn who attacked his girlfriend and he imagining his dead sister and sister replacement? The same Shinn that was having visions of the Freedom dropped down and shit like that? Shinn was nerfed later in the series. Period. He was irrational, psychotic and lost all his skill.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)16:09 UTC+1 No.10443509 Report

>>10429559
Kirafags can't possibly be this desperate, go back to arguing on youtube please.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)16:17 UTC+1 No.10443551 Report

Kira and Athrun could be piloting a Ball and a Oggo and that shit would have played out the same.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)16:19 UTC+1 No.10443565 Report

>>10438795
>why don't you look at it like a battle and the available forces for each side?

Because the writers sure didn't. This is SEED Destiny, it's all about the named characters duking it out and the rest are just window dressing.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)17:45 UTC+1 No.10444045 Report

>>10438879
The point I believe anon was making is that they fluffed up the TSA's force count so that on paper, it looks better. But we all know METEOR is a force multiplier and that 2 SEED mode capable superhumans can easily take on a much larger force.
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)18:31 UTC+1 No.10444365 Report

>>10434649
morosawa was hospitalized through 90% of GSD's run while sunrise passed the show between six other writers. why exactly are you greentexting her name?

>>10441811
when exactly was shinn NOT irrational and psychotic?
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Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)18:39 UTC+1 No.10444409 Report

>>10444365
>when exactly was shinn NOT irrational and psychotic?

He did have a sliding scale of insanity, though. When the minerva was almost sunk by that EF fleet outside orb, he was pretty coherent, so let's call that 1 Shinn of psychoticness. When he was getting sand in his vagina for no reason during the fight against that stationary antiproton cannon, he was at 2 Shinns.

When he started hallucinating and foaming at the mouth in that last fight, he was at least at 4 Shinns.
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