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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:31 UTC+1 No.11105718 Report

How does /m/ feel about MS IGLOO?
Just finished up watching Hidden One Year War / Apocalypse 0079. It was cool to see some alternative designs like that tank MS and the Zudah, but I feel like the series takes way too many liberties with how things work for me to fully enjoy it. Things like Salamis cruisers having the mobility of fighter craft and the Zudah being chased by GMs without being pulled in by Earth's gravity just really threw me when I saw them and kind of took me out of the whole thing.

Cadillac's legs are my new favourite thing though
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:38 UTC+1 No.11105747 Report

I hated the whole series and the cgi was terrible.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:41 UTC+1 No.11105755 Report

>>11105718

I liked it, favorite episode was with the Zudah and the Z'Gok capable of shooting down battleships.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:42 UTC+1 No.11105762 Report

Gravity Front was the best
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:42 UTC+1 No.11105765 Report

I liked it.

It isn't exactly revolutionary, but it basically was a solid piece of mech porn.
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Calvin Coolage 07/20/14(Sun)20:44 UTC+1 No.11105773 Report

>>11105755
Yeah, Zeon got really desperate the latter part of the OYW to drop aquatic MS from orbit strapped to the Mobile Diver.

While I'm here, where would one find subs for IGLOO?
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:45 UTC+1 No.11105778 Report

>>11105718
ms igloo 1/apocalypse 0079 is hit and miss for me, but igloo 2 is consistently good. I don't mind the death goddess thing, though it should have been downplayed. Maybe having it appear only to the viewer with no interaction with the characters.

The Type 61 vs White Ogre will forever be my favoritest Moby Dick analogue.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)20:45 UTC+1 No.11105779 Report

>>11105773

Google bakabt ms igloo
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)21:26 UTC+1 No.11105942 Report

Didn't like the first two suites. I've never been a big Zeon fan but I hated the explicit Nazification they went with. The parallels to the Axis powers were always present but IGLOO was too on the nose. The CGI is also pretty awful though the mobile suit action had varying degrees of success. Couldn't have cared less for the characters.

Gravity Front was entertaining. More diverse subject matter (Type 61 tanks, infantrymen) and the CGI was much-improved. Intentional or no, I liked that it dialed down the cruddy attempts at gritty hyper-realistic character animation and made everyone behave more like they were in a cartoon. The Shinigami was stupid but the characters were more interesting so those two things met a kind of equilibrium.

Overall, it's my least favorite Gundam series. I can at least recall the existence of Destiny or AGE and have experienced varying (perhaps ill-advised) incentives to rewatch them. I could only really tolerate Gravity Front on repeat viewings and that's partly due to the funny faces and hammy acting.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)21:57 UTC+1 No.11106048 Report

>>11105942
>The parallels to the Axis powers were always present but IGLOO was too on the nose. The CGI is also pretty awful though the mobile suit action had varying degrees of success
These two points are a strong part of what kill Igloo for me. Cribbing notes from the Axis powers for just about everything feels pedestrian in terms of storytelling, and exceptionally lazy for what I expect of UC.

The CG is not the worst of that era but it is unquestionably bad: MS move awkwardly; character models look like they're from a PS2 cutscene; etc.

>Couldn't have cared less for the characters
The characters weren't awful, but there's just no real memorable ones there. Death flags are painfully obvious at times which again, compares poorly with the rest of UC.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)21:57 UTC+1 No.11106049 Report

>>11105718
The thing about Igloo I love is The Battle of Loum.

We are forever cock-teased about this event. Char, The Black Tri Stars, Johnny Ridden, Shin Matsunaga all make there name here, but it doesn't even seem like these guys should be hero's based on that. Char blows up 5 ships, but hell, we see mobile suits blow up ships all the time in the series, so it doesn't even seem like a big deal.

But Igloo's representation sells that battle as this stalemate, slightly in favor the Earth Federation, and it's crazy. There's zeon ships blowing up everywhere, people can't aim because of minofsky particles, it's just a blood bath. But the Mobile suits show up and change the entire face of warfare.

Maybe in Origins we'll get an even better representation of this battle in traditional animation, but for now this is the best portrayal of a hugely important event in UC, and I love it.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)22:09 UTC+1 No.11106095 Report

>>11106049
>Maybe in Origins we'll get an even better representation of this battle in traditional animation
I can only hope they'll ditch the CG. But it's a very very vain hope.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)22:11 UTC+1 No.11106105 Report

>>11106095
>large scale battle
>lots of identical looking objects (lots of ships and weapons of the same class)
yep, it's pretty hopeless

they already resorted to animating that guntank in CG when it was just the one machine crushing stuff on a street, there's no way they won't consider CG for a fleet battle
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)22:46 UTC+1 No.11106242 Report

I don't care for the CGI, but the stories were decent, and I like the series that aren't all about one kid in a gundam, but about the test pilots and grunts.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)22:52 UTC+1 No.11106265 Report

It had amazing side characters.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)23:13 UTC+1 No.11106349 Report

>>11105718

I liked it, but Apocalypse 0079 needed to have ended with Monique & Oliver dying, not with miraculous survival & Zeon flag waving.

I want to see the Hildolfr throw down against the RTX-440.
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Black_Knight 07/20/14(Sun)23:21 UTC+1 No.11106392 Report

I really don't see how people can complain about the CG. It was a budget series that was originally supposed to be an exclusive for the Bandai's Gundam Museum made in 2006.

The only 3 camps I can see who really dislike MS IGLOO are those who want extremely high end animation, and aren't satisfied with the CG (I assume they hate the sub standard animation of the original series too.) It's one of those shows you really need to see in HD. (I wish the OZ version didn't have that god awful desync though, I can't seem to fix it, no matter what player I use.) And those who just have a total mad-on for the fact it's the one Gundam series that's seen entirely from the side of Zeon and they're not depicted as psychopathic baby killers. (With their narrative crushed, they cannot allow it to exist.) I'll give the third group a little leeway in those who think the show cribs too much from the Axis. especially the motif of the uniforms. However in the terms of the storyline where Zeon fields anything they can, creating high performance weapons, and finally just throwing kids into battle during the final days, this was something also done by Tomino in the original series. So I don't see a major deviation there.

Also there's a lot of subtle nods to the greater part of Gundam lore that goes unnoticed to a lot people like how Prochnow and Werner showed aptitudes to be newtypes, without explicitly showing it or doing the newtype flash. Or that every one Zeon side at A Baoa Qu was confident in victory after the solar ray was fired when Girhen said half the Federation fleet was destroyed when in reality it was only a third of it.

Either way, mobile suit combat was what the show was all about, and it was extremely well done. They even had scenes where the ball actually did well, and weren't just there to be coffins (Episode 3 comes to mind with the Ohio unit.) Or how the J types used their limbs in order to maneuver since their thrusters were useless in space.
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)23:28 UTC+1 No.11106419 Report

>>11106392
For me I think it's just a nostalgia filter. CGI and some overly crisp animation just hard for me to get into. I know it's not rational, but it's how it is.
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Sage01 07/20/14(Sun)23:30 UTC+1 No.11106431 Report

>>11106392
People who bitch about the CGI being bad haven't seen real bad CGI, like that one Charlie Sheen movie, or Delgo.
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Black_Knight 07/20/14(Sun)23:41 UTC+1 No.11106480 Report

>>11106431
True right mate. It's like people on /a/ who bitch about dubs. Granted a lot of them could be better (To many times the veterans just phone in their performances these days.) , but we've come light years from the 1980s when you had some really, REALLY bad dubs produced.

Here's an example of what actual bad CGI looks like. Google Foodfight! if you want the sorid details of this failure.
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Sage01 07/20/14(Sun)23:46 UTC+1 No.11106507 Report

>>11106480
But Charlie Sheen voice act's Food Fight's protagonist why would I need to google it?
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Anonymous 07/20/14(Sun)23:55 UTC+1 No.11106546 Report

>>11106392
I don't care that the CGI is bad. What I DO care about is that the CHARACTERS are rendered in bad CGI that is attempting to look realistic and that the story is paper thin and can't elevate the material. It's nothing more than an excuse to have fight scenes but it's hard to care when every character is utterly disposable and telegraphed to mortal failure. It's fine to watch once but I find that there's little to be gained by revisiting the material.
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Black_Knight 07/21/14(Mon)03:26 UTC+1 No.11107464 Report

>>11106546
How was it bad over some parts being over exaggerated? It's supplementary material that looks at some of the largest battles or their aftermaths in the One Year War. Also it shows how Zeon improvises with their technology when it's original use is no longer applicable. (Like the Z'gock being turned into a mobile diver.) With MS IGLOO 2, the fact the main character dies means you can't get attached to them, and that was it's biggest flaw. But in MS IGLOO, you see May's development from an idealistic greenhorn to a cynical veteran as the war goes on and the 603 is just used not to test the prototypes that can turn the tide of the war, but as a dumping ground for failures or hastily thrown together machines to fend off the Federation's onslaught.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:12 UTC+1 No.11108138 Report

>>11106480
If you want the most atrocious CG ever watch Golgo 13 The Professional. 4/5 of the way through the movie, it's so jarring I literally laughed out loud
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:25 UTC+1 No.11108168 Report

>>11106480
"SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST LEONARD!"
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:27 UTC+1 No.11108172 Report

>>11107464
oh look Black_Knight with a decent opinion how rare
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:28 UTC+1 No.11108176 Report

>>11107464

The hell is that sitll from?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:37 UTC+1 No.11108210 Report

>>11108176
Looks like someone rotoscoped a screenshot
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:48 UTC+1 No.11108248 Report

>>11108176
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-IE474t0k
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)06:53 UTC+1 No.11108266 Report

>>11108248

Thanks for that!

Man, it's weird seeing all of those different characters in the same style and video. Seeing Amuro flash back to himself in the RX-78 as he rides out in the Nu hit me in the feels a bit.

Any idea who pink haired boob girl was? Looked to be in a red and gold Zeon normal suit.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)07:28 UTC+1 No.11108337 Report

>>11108266
Kusko Al, a character from the MSG novels that was implemented into the Gihren's Greed series of games.

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Al_Cuzco

She was also to have been a part of MSG TV series had it gone on for the full 52 episode run.

http://gundam.aeug.org/archives/2001/04/0341.html
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)07:31 UTC+1 No.11108344 Report

>>11108337

Huh. I read the books. That is NOT how I pictured Kusko. Weird.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)07:32 UTC+1 No.11108349 Report

>>11108337

One thing to wonder about MSG: Why didn't Bandai ever have Tomino flesh out the original later third of the show via OVAs? Imagine that "the complete unaltered original Gundam as envisioned by series creator Tomino!"
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)07:55 UTC+1 No.11108406 Report

>>11108344
You're right. In the books, she had brown chestnut hair. No idea why she was changed to have pink hair.

>>11108349
The link pretty much says it ends more or less like how MSG. The main difference is that there's a bit more exposition and buildup to the final battle, and more interaction with the Zabis as villains. Not a huge world of difference.

Also, a sequel show has more (sales) potential than just a retread of the original show with more fleshed out bits. In terms of fleshing out UC, Sunrise/Bandai already do that a lot with MSV and various sidestories popping up every damn place in the timeline.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)08:01 UTC+1 No.11108423 Report

>>11108349
At least The Origin gives Challia Bull a little more time to breathe.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)09:18 UTC+1 No.11108581 Report

>>11108266
>Seeing Amuro flash back to himself in the RX-78 as he rides out in the Nu hit me in the feels a bit

made this a while back
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)09:20 UTC+1 No.11108584 Report

>>11108581
webm version
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)13:00 UTC+1 No.11108967 Report

The CG on Igloo 2 was beautiful especially the Shinigami in the ending.

Also, what software are they using to make it? I don't know about 3d modelling but I've seen this kind of CG before in the Guild Series of video games. You can tell especially in the way the hair is rendered. The way the models look is the same in the Diablo 2 FMV -- not trying to say it looks bad or dated, but there's a certain software suite or something making the FMV's look a lot alike.

Pay attention to the hair:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWcLCMSsdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxFyFJfHiBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpQEIbK0gI

Not really /m/ related, but I wanted to point it out.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)22:56 UTC+1 No.11110888 Report

I'd like to know why they didn't install some sort of limiter on the Zudah so pilots couldn't go TO FAST, TO FURIOUS. From the looks of it, the GMs have the same problem, but you never see it addressed.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:17 UTC+1 No.11110969 Report

I will never understand the amount of hate for the Newtype ghost, a cool embodiment of warfare rancor, in a franchise known for its Newtype bullshit.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:15 UTC+1 No.11111573 Report

>>11108584
>>11108581
>He finally saw through time.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:17 UTC+1 No.11111586 Report

>>11110888
I remember a while back someone was saying that there weren't actually any GM's chasing him and that supposedly through the context of the scene your supposed to realize that he's hallucinating. That's total BS though.
>>11110969
I agree especially considering that something similar happens to Dozle in the actual series.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:29 UTC+1 No.11111657 Report

>>11111586

Keep in mind, people on this board think that feathers actually come off of Wing Zero Custom's wings.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:35 UTC+1 No.11111689 Report

>>11108349

I'd rather they didnt, having the White Base take out the superweapon at the end and all that would make it way too SEED like for my taste
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:39 UTC+1 No.11111709 Report

>>11106265
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:41 UTC+1 No.11111719 Report

>>11111709
Surely there should be a hilarious filename for this.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:45 UTC+1 No.11111746 Report

>>11108248
Watching this again, just noticed the Henry Boone/Bork Cry Efreet/Pixie fight from Cross Dimension 0079... That is a damn obscure reference
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:48 UTC+1 No.11111764 Report

>>11110888
For the GM it was a problem for an earlier version that got fixed in later versions. For the Zudah it probably never got fixed due to it losing the competition and getting dropped so there was no reason to.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:49 UTC+1 No.11111775 Report

>>11111709

Dude I just spit my drink all over
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)01:54 UTC+1 No.11111817 Report

>>11111709
"Sir, this might sound racist but there's an enormous fucking fried chicken bucket on the horizon!"
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:03 UTC+1 No.11111875 Report

TBH I put Igloo up there with G-savior. Questionable canon at best.

I get the idea they were going for, but I just think it was executed exceptionally poor.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:04 UTC+1 No.11111883 Report

>>11108581
>>11108584
Thanks for this. First time I've seen it.

Indeed it does hit right in the feels.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:16 UTC+1 No.11111942 Report

>>11111719
>Calling in fire mission on watermelon field.webm
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:28 UTC+1 No.11112292 Report

>>11111875
>Questionable Canon
This isn't ZZ and Unicorn
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)07:33 UTC+1 No.11113286 Report

I liked the "combined arms" aesthetic shown during the Odessa battle scenes.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)00:27 UTC+1 No.11116051 Report

>>11113286
Shit that Zeon got completely rolled in the battle and didn't even put up much resistance.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)00:42 UTC+1 No.11116125 Report

I like the land war one

I accidentally downloaded one about space (zudah)

I think that one sucks
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)01:43 UTC+1 No.11116384 Report

>>11111586
>I remember a while back someone was saying that there weren't actually any GM's chasing him and that supposedly through the context of the scene your supposed to realize that he's hallucinating. That's total BS though.

I think it was more that he was hallucinating the GMs being cackling idiots. Which is still total bullshit since IGLOO 1 pretty much depicts Feddies as Cackling Evil Complete Monsters throughout.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)01:59 UTC+1 No.11116463 Report

The first two series have some animation issues going on that are pretty glaring. Even though the models and visual effects are pretty good, objects tend to move as if they have absolutely no mass whatsoever and it just looks fucking bizarre.

In gravity front that whole thing is much less of a problem.

The entire thing is basically just robot porn so how it looks is basically the only important part.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)02:40 UTC+1 No.11116659 Report

I liked it but I'm mad the video games sometimes have the zeon side of MS Igloo playable but no feds, I want to play Ben Barberry and shout at giant robots.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)03:28 UTC+1 No.11116929 Report

>>11106265
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Black_Knight 07/23/14(Wed)06:26 UTC+1 No.11117524 Report

>>11111586
Bullshit theory, because otherwise Monique wouldn't have shot down the one that had engine trouble.

>>11116384
The biggest misrepresentation people have about MS IGLOO that the Federation were just assholes.

Let's look at the 4 major interactions in the series.

1. Czariano's Zaku unit. They were doing their job and doing it well of infiltrating and destroying Zeon supply depots. Also the battle showed how they cared for each other when Czariano, called out the names of his subordinates as they're killed or told his 61 units to pull back because they Hildolfr, or Czariano's men coming to his aid saying they'll take care of the Hildolfr

2. The GM squadron in eps 3. They were laughing at the Zudah because it was just humiliated on a galactic scale. The pilots also had a sense of pride when one of the said 'mobile suits should fight mobile suits,' when they went to chase Duval's Zudah rather than turn back to sink the Jotunheim.

3. In episode 5 you had 2 ball squadrons where new recruits were lead by a veteran. It was really no different from the Oggo pilots where teenagers were pressed into service for the war. Except in this case, the surviving Ball pilot was persuaded to stand down.

4. In episode 6 you had the cease fire declared. And then the Federation forces in E field violating the cease fire and they continued to attack the Zeon forces there. I'd like to think of it that if you're breed on a history of hate, and the enemy you've sworn to kill and has killed your friends is right in front of you, you're not going to stop even if you're ordered too. Seeing as the Federation didn't pursue to retreating ships that were escaping from E-Field, it can safely be concluded this was an isolated incident.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)06:33 UTC+1 No.11117542 Report

>>11117524
>4.
To be fair, if the Zeeks had dropped a colony on my planet among other things, I'd probably tell the Feddies where to shove that ceasefire too.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)14:26 UTC+1 No.11118366 Report

>>11117542
>On my planet
Considering what's going on the planet right now, shouldn't you be getting mad already?
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)14:28 UTC+1 No.11118369 Report

>>11118366
>considering what's going on right now shouldn't you be mad?
Hang on, let me check the news.
>no reports of cataclysmic colony drops
>no reports of millions of people being gassed by wannabe independents.
I think I can manage my anger. Call me when shit hits the fan and then we'll talk.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:00 UTC+1 No.11118437 Report

>>11118369
>I only care about what happens when millions of people die at the same time in the same area
That's pretty pathetic.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:05 UTC+1 No.11118449 Report

>>11118437
You'll excuse me if I neglect to weep for every individual incident as there are a couple billion people inhabiting Earth at the present.

When a sizable chunk is wiped out by a foreign power, then that's something to get angry about. What else is there though? Should I take up arms and fight the good fight against nature? Shitty foreign governments that can't take care of their people?

The short answer is: Don't bump threads to say stupid things.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:10 UTC+1 No.11118462 Report

>>11117524

The feds talk like Yakuza all through the show all the same.

Honestly, the only way to replicate that in a dub would be to get an all-black team of actors who are then instructed to say their text in ebonics rather than in standard english.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:32 UTC+1 No.11118510 Report

>>11118449
This autist.

I'm glad you're not in any position to make any decisions about anything, ever.

Fucking edgy adolescent pragmatism, trying to look cool and instead coming off as hugely ignorant.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:33 UTC+1 No.11118513 Report

>>11118449
Man, this may be a blue board but 4chan is still 18+. Go live your edgy teenage phase somewhere else.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)15:38 UTC+1 No.11118532 Report

>>11118510
>>11118513
Looks like I'm on the receiving end now.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)16:21 UTC+1 No.11118678 Report

>>11118462
I almost want this to happen now.
If only for the shitstorms that would ensue when that's paired with the high likelihood of German accents on some of the Zeonic characters.

It would be a perfect shitstorm.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)16:40 UTC+1 No.11118728 Report

>>11108349
The original ending's already pretty damn iconic as it is.
Why fuck with that?

Besides, the ending it has now is honestly a lot better than a bunch of the plot threads that didn't make it in.

>>11105942
>>11106048
Thirding the grievance about first IgLoo smashing the WWII button down hard and fast.
Again, it's a parallel that's always been there - no one's going to deny that. But after Tomino left, Zeon started skewing more and more overtly Nazi and it finally hit ridiculous levels with this.
I had to pause when they first introduced Kuspen, just to shake off the feeling of "Really? You're actually gonna go there?"

Then I found out how part of the promotion for this was Bandai selling a Zeonic iron cross.

By that point, it had looped into accidental comedy.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)16:57 UTC+1 No.11118804 Report

>>11117524
I don't know, the thing that got me was the Hildolfr's plucky underdog pilot was a badass Japanese dude, and then the Feddie opposition are a bunch of ugly white dudes it really felt like the audience was supposed to be rooting for the Hildolfr and booing the Feds. I'm not sure that I am explaining myself well, but it felt like there was a very stark difference in the way they were portrayed, more so than usual.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:00 UTC+1 No.11118818 Report

I do not regret watching any of those OAV even if they had big flaws.
This is the closest we had for a while of a militarish-SF show without a teenage kid falling into a cockpit. It also took the time to explain precisely how Minovsky jamming changed the war.

The only thing that truly bothered me was how all characters were overplayed and worst of all Feddies talking like childish Yakuza, ruining what would have been dramatic sequences.

True the CGI was sightly bad in the sixth first episodes. However Gravity Front was very good.
Yes, there wasn't much of a story for Gravity Front, the "shinigami" felt out of place.
And lastly there was that (pictured) brain-scorching sequence at the beginning I try to mentally recton as being a Minovsky-craft prototype.

Still regret nothing. That's better to watching in loop than even 5 episodes of gundam Seed.

>>11110888
there's a few real technologies that can be tricky to stop under certain condition even if they behaved perfectly a moment ago. Sometime you have machine that are only stable thanks to a computer trying hard to herd virtual cats.

The only examples I can give you are Nuclear reactor, the avionics of modern airfighters or resonances in the first Saturn-V engines. (their engines exploded all the time until they put a gizmo to send pulse to stabilize the reaction)

...truth is I don't really care why they couldn't keep it from exploding.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:02 UTC+1 No.11118831 Report

>>11117524
>They were laughing at the Zudah because it was just humiliated on a galactic scale.
Pointing out AGAIN that this was Duval hallucinating.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:07 UTC+1 No.11118854 Report

>>11118818
>Sometime you have machine that are only stable thanks to a computer trying hard to herd virtual cats.
Dynamic instability or some shit. Fly by wire is basically "make your plane really unstable and have a computer do all the little adjustments to actually make your plane go where you point it"
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:09 UTC+1 No.11118858 Report

>>11118804
I never got the sense of the Hidolfr's pilot being seen as a badass.

Yes, he seems laid back, but that's more because we find out he's a burned-out pill popper. Factor on the idea that history's leaving him behind and he himself never really struck me as being that impressive.

The Hildolfr itself is still damn nice, but I never got any sort of 'root for him' sense about the pilot.
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dorkly chair of the institute for space politics 07/23/14(Wed)17:11 UTC+1 No.11118867 Report

>>11118818
>And lastly there was that (pictured) brain-scorching sequence at the beginning I try to mentally recton as being a Minovsky-craft prototype.
dropping Gravitrons from LOE is clearly the best tactic in troop deployment ever
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:12 UTC+1 No.11118874 Report

>>11118858
Haven't watched IgLoo in a long time but I remember this too. He just seemed like some crackhead that was only valued since he was the pilot for that crazy experiment
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:12 UTC+1 No.11118875 Report

>>11118818
I like to think of that as full blown propaganda footage.

I'd love a series focused entirely on grunts. Real grunts, like the people on the ground during the first weeks of the invasion. Maybe around a salamis's ball detachment, or some average zeeks that have to deal not only with the enemy, but their own leadership.

Have them face real problems, take real casualties, earn real victories.

Was talking with a friend about it, and he added the idea that the first half is about some feddies, while the second half is about the zeeks that end up killing the first set of protags. That way you could have the your side is on the losing end of the war throughout the entire thing.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:17 UTC+1 No.11118892 Report

>>11118875
Sounds like a more nihilistic take on the Lost War Chronicles manga.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:29 UTC+1 No.11118936 Report

>>11118892
I don't see it as nihilistic. I mean yeah if it was about zeeks they'd still end up losing, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have made some difference, even if only a personal one.

Though I did just have another idea. A lesser newtype as a feddie character in the previous idea. Think about it, the hero of the federation amuro was mistrusted to the point that his house was full of spies after the war ended. Would make for a good deal of adversity for a not hero of the federation character to have to overcome.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:49 UTC+1 No.11119042 Report

>>11118936
They distrusted Amuro because he was a powerful Newtype. If he wasn't a powerful newtype, they wouldn't give a shit. Heck they probably wouldn't know he was a newtype.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:53 UTC+1 No.11119054 Report

>>11119042
Who knows a tendency towards empathy, and being "lucky" on the battlefield might throw up some suspicions. But I suppose you do have a point there.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)18:21 UTC+1 No.11119181 Report

>>11119042
This.

They didn't really start to take much notice of Amuro until he'd planted several aces.
Even then, they were perfectly content to keep wielding him as a sword against the Zeon until the war was over. THEN they started to fear the idea that he could be poised against them.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)18:29 UTC+1 No.11119216 Report

>>11119181
I thought newtypes were they were mistrusted during the war (not necessarily amuro), because they were associated with spacenoids and more importantly zeon.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)19:13 UTC+1 No.11119364 Report

>>11119216
A good part of the Federation was made up of spacenoids. If anything the mistrust of newtypes would be fear of the unknown than anything.
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Black_Knight 07/23/14(Wed)20:50 UTC+1 No.11119724 Report

>>11118874
>>11118858
>>11118804
The thing about Sonnen is that he was a respected armored warfare instructor (might even consider him to be an 'ace' of the field) where even Monique admitted to Oliver that she admired him before his fall from grace when Zeon switched from tank and artillery warfare to mobile suits. He had already applied to be a pilot but failed the examination and more and more of his students dropped out of his program to join the mobile suits corps. So he crawled into the proverbial bottle to manage his depression and saw the Hildolfr as his chance for redemption, even though plan was just to 'test' it and dump it in the desert. He wasn't laid back, he was extremely professional in his work and recording the data of everything he did.

>>11118831
So I guess that rocket that the Jotunheim, the footage the Jotunheim's observational pods that Oliver used, and the GM that Monique shot down were part of the hallucination? No, they were not.

>>11118936
You might like this manga, granted it will never be fully translated.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)21:00 UTC+1 No.11119763 Report

>>11119724
Man all the stuff people think I'd like always ends up partially translated or otherwise planned to be but never finished.

Almost makes a man want to learn moon.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)21:14 UTC+1 No.11119840 Report

>>11119216
The Zabis pushed the idea of side 3 spacenoids being newtypes as propaganda, a twisting of Zeon Zum Deikun's original philosophy on newtypes with a dash of "master race" bullshit added by Gihren.

It's sometimes forgotten because Earth Federation is called the Earth Federation, but we should remember that a number of colonies were under EF rule and also willingly supported the Federation. The EF also recruited from the colonies - Shiro is a spacenoid recruit.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)22:25 UTC+1 No.11120057 Report

>>11119724
>>11119763
Iron Mustang has been fully scanulated
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)22:33 UTC+1 No.11120082 Report

>>11118728
>First Episode
>Hochdruckpumpe

>Second Episode
>Paris gun

>Third Episode
>ME 262 engine problems

It was kind of hilarious, really.
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Black_Knight 07/24/14(Thu)03:27 UTC+1 No.11121224 Report

>>11120057
Well shit, that's nice. Now all we need are the Zeonic Front issues of Legacy translated and we'll be dandy. Yes, 'August'
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)03:37 UTC+1 No.11121255 Report

>>11120057

Happen to have a link?
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)03:46 UTC+1 No.11121278 Report

>>11121255

Rather specifically for chapters 3, 4, and 5.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)04:09 UTC+1 No.11121368 Report

>>11108138
But the CGI in Goglo 13 was considered phenomenal back in 83. It was literally the first anime to ever use CG animation.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)04:44 UTC+1 No.11121508 Report

>>11118510
>hurr durr imma going to save the whole world with the power of UNDERSTANDING!

Fuck off Setsuna with your kindergarten naivety, realpolitik is not the same thing as being edgy.

>>11119364
Admiral Revil himself was supposed to be a newtype, so the idea that the Federation was anti-newtype during the war is nonsense.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)06:38 UTC+1 No.11121868 Report

>>11121224
>>11121255
1. Go to google.
2. Type in "Gundam Iron Mustang".
3. Hit search.
4. Select any manga aggregator site from the results.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)09:15 UTC+1 No.11122207 Report

>>11119724
>The thing about Sonnen is

...isn't the real wierd thing about Sonnen that he hasn't joined the Magellans? The guy isn't just burnt out because muh mobile suits, that's for sure.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)14:43 UTC+1 No.11122753 Report

>>11122207
He specialized in Artillery, it's why he knew exactly what to do to fuck up the Fed Zaku squadron.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)15:16 UTC+1 No.11122857 Report

>>11122753

Didn't Zeon actually use artillery as well when Char drove the White Base into Garma's first trap?
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)05:22 UTC+1 No.11125934 Report

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