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My father has sentimental...
Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:08 UTC+1 No.714974 Report

My father has sentimental attachment to an old bike from the 80's with downtube shifters and I would like to upgrade it to brifters for him. I was wondering if the brifters would be able to fit onto the handlebars, or would I need to replace the handlebars (and stem). Also, are indexed derailleurs universal in terms of fitting onto the seat tube and dropouts? I'll be cold-setting the 126mm dropout to fit the 130mm 8 speed wheel.

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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:14 UTC+1 No.714980 Report

Did he ask you to do this?
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:21 UTC+1 No.714984 Report

>>714980
That's a good question
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:22 UTC+1 No.714985 Report

If I were your dad and you swap it to brifters without my consent, I'd fucking beat you to a pulp.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:28 UTC+1 No.714986 Report

Thread is right on so far, definitely ask first.

But your question is tough to answer without knowing anything about the bike. If it's from the late 80's you might not need to change anything at all but the shifters.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:33 UTC+1 No.714987 Report

>>714986
or even the shifters
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)04:36 UTC+1 No.714991 Report

>>714974
How many speeds is the bike now? Shimano makes a 7 speed brifter.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)05:16 UTC+1 No.715010 Report

I would advise against this. If you insist on doing this you should just re-space the rear hub don't mess with the frame.

If you really want to update your dad's ride, clean and re-pack everything, upgrade his BB to a phil, get him lighter wheels and just put on some bar con shifters. Aero levers and a front interrupter would be nice too.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)05:46 UTC+1 No.715027 Report

>>714974
Rear derailleurs all generally fit on the dropout threads. Front derailleurs come in two types: clamp-on and braze-on. Braze-ons are all universal, but require a brazed on tab. Clamp ons require you have a derailleur with the correct clamp diameter.

>>714991
They do? I thought the oldest they had was DA 8 speed and regular 8 speed. In any case, OP wants to replace the wheelset.

>>715010
>implying barcons and an interrupter are upgrades
Maybe if his dad had something generic. OP might as well just go all the way and fit modern everything at that point.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)06:03 UTC+1 No.715033 Report

>>715027
http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-ST-A070-Shifters-7-Speed-Black/dp/B007Q4MM1I

I mean, they're not great, but. It's probably a better option to refit for 8-speed in any case.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)06:18 UTC+1 No.715038 Report

OP here, he asked me to do so. i wouldn't do anything to it otherwise. i know a lot of people put bar end shifters on their vintage bikes, but just wanted to know if modern brifters would fit the handlebars as well.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)06:45 UTC+1 No.715048 Report

>>715038
They'll fit just fine. How much are you planning to upgrade, and how much are you spending? I imagine it's just going to be a Shimano 600 8-speed or 5500-series 105 used parts upgrade.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)07:13 UTC+1 No.715055 Report

>>714974
Kill yourself, OP
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)08:34 UTC+1 No.715069 Report
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Mount the downtube levers on...
Mount the downtube levers on the drops kinda like this guy did with his barends.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)08:38 UTC+1 No.715073 Report

>>715069
absolutely fucking disgusting
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)08:41 UTC+1 No.715076 Report

>>715073
Seconding this
I love DT shifters but this is sickening
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)08:48 UTC+1 No.715078 Report

>>715073
>>715076
I know. It's a crime against nature. That's what makes it so wonderful.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)14:42 UTC+1 No.715147 Report

>>715048
OP here:
it's an italian-made benotto 3000 with a record groupset. i'll be adding 10 speed record brifters with an 8speed shimano cassette that i've had for a while. I know I should be adding a campy cassette to the bike but that would put it well over the $150 budget. are people really that against fitting 130mm hubs onto 126mm frames?
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)15:23 UTC+1 No.715159 Report
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Heres a better retroshift-...
Heres a better retroshift-

Lots of people like these in cyclocross.

I have 130mm dura ace hubs in my 1983 Ciocc which has 126mm stays, its very easy to get the wheel in without cold setting.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)15:27 UTC+1 No.715160 Report

ps- you might have some trouble using a 8 speed cassette with 10 speed brifters, the width between gears might make indexing wonky, maybe not though. I'm running 11 speed shifters with a 10 speed cassette and it shifts great and I set the limits so I don't drop the chain into the spokes, 2 gears on campy might not work though but its worth a shot to see if you can make it work.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)15:36 UTC+1 No.715163 Report

>>715159
Now that looks pretty cool
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)15:40 UTC+1 No.715170 Report

>>715159
First I thought that's weird but it actually is kind of genius. I just realized there's almost no effective difference between this and modern STIs except that these probably shift better and you can have sweet old frictionless shifting. Is this a custom design or can you buy them somewhere?
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)15:56 UTC+1 No.715177 Report

>>715170
http://www.gevenalle.com/

Their stuff is super affordable and looks awesome. I kinda wanna build a new cross bike with their stuff. I'm sick of the SRAM shit I have on my bikes.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:05 UTC+1 No.715182 Report

>>715159
>>715163
>>715170
>>715177
I remember seeing this a while back and being pretty happy about it until I stumbled at the price somewhere. It cost nearly the same as STI shifters, which made me go full meh about them.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:14 UTC+1 No.715189 Report

>>715182
They are $140 a set which is way cheaper than any bottom of the barrel STI shifter.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:23 UTC+1 No.715190 Report

>>715189

You can get Veloce shifters for that money
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:26 UTC+1 No.715193 Report

>>715182
>>715189
>>715177

I found a very good review on them:

http://road.cc/content/review/56215-retroshift-levers

The guy doesn't seem to like them very much though, good quality but appearently they're kind of uncomfortable because you're essentially mounting DT shifters on your levers which they are not designed for ergonomically. It still looks neat as fuck though and since I don't race I don't really care about super fast shifting. I do love frictionless shifting though.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:33 UTC+1 No.715195 Report

>>715193
Interesting, I wonder if those faults have been adressed with the newer ones. Road.cc is a mag that will give 5 star reviews to a jersey that costs 160 dollars if its one of their advertisers and then give a 3 star review to one that costs 70 dollars saying it's too expensive if its not an advertiser though.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:34 UTC+1 No.715196 Report

>>715190
Had no idea low end campy stuff was that cheap! Sora is like 160
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:47 UTC+1 No.715200 Report

>>715195
I think it's also because he's comparing them to high-end STIs, it's obvious they're not as efficient or ergnonomic but that's kind of beside the point because their main point is having rugged, easy to fix shifting mechanics by combining the advantages of DT shifters with the position of STIs. It's not for people who purely want performance, rather for durability, easy maintenance and cool looks.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)16:55 UTC+1 No.715203 Report

>>715200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fjIfKav6OU this is whats cool for performance wise (I guess why they're popular in cross)
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)18:47 UTC+1 No.715236 Report

>>715196
Actually, it's not cheap overall. Only the shifters are cheap.
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)18:55 UTC+1 No.715239 Report

>>714974

You posted this same thread on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/cycling/comments/2eld5s/switching_from_downtube_to_brifters/

I've got a strong feeling it's not for your dad and you just want to be some hipster with an old shitty bike that has modern parts. You can find this on any college campus in America, you aint as special as you think
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)19:27 UTC+1 No.715252 Report

>>715203
A few hipsters associated with the company using them != popular in cross
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Anonymous 08/26/14(Tue)20:02 UTC+1 No.715259 Report

>>715239
OP here:
i posted the same thread on reddit in hopes of getting more responses, a lot of the time threads on 4chan get sidetracked from the original post

it's actually for my dad. i have my own modern bike (seat tube is 8cm shorter than his) which i bought in 2012 with a centaur groupset. i'm doing this because my dad is the type of person who would spend money to buy me new things and is very supportive of my interests, but would only accept hand-me-downs himself and wouldn't splurge on himself. a part of me feels really bad when i go on rides together with him and i see him struggle with the gears.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)06:47 UTC+1 No.715518 Report

>>715033
Don't bother wih that piece of shit, bro. Get a pair of campy veloce 10 speed. They fit perfectly on shimano 7/8 speed drivetrains. That's what i have on mine.
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Anonymous 08/27/14(Wed)06:49 UTC+1 No.715521 Report

>a part of me feels really bad when i go on rides together with him and i see him struggle with the gears.


You're a nice guy, OP. I wish my dad would go on rides with me.
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/\M8U5H 08/30/14(Sat)03:50 UTC+1 No.716779 Report

>>715259

>wouldn't splurge on himself

Because a gentleman always uses a sock.
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