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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)07:57 UTC+1 No.637473 Report

http://www.flanderstoday.eu/current-affairs/mayor-calls-ban-cars-brussels-city-centre

Anyone know the result of this?

Also, would you want this in your area? Why/why not? Please state where you live for clarification.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:20 UTC+1 No.637476 Report

Brussels has the EU parliament.

Can you imagine politicians walking or taking public transport or riding?

A handful would but seriously? The fatcats will want official vehicles exempt and since that's half the traffic in Brussels, nothing changes.

That said, the tourist parts of Brussels are basically verboten für vehicles anyway.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:26 UTC+1 No.637480 Report

>>637476
Would you be more likely to vote for a politician if you knew he rode his bike to work? or , at least didn't drive to work?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:42 UTC+1 No.637483 Report

>>637473
I live in a city (80000 inhabitants) where the entire car traffic is routed on a ring around the center, which is also a one-way street.
It sucks for cagers, since they have to drive all the way around (which is several km) if they want to go just one block in the "wrong direction".
It also sucks for cyclists, cause the streets in the center are cobbled and people treat it like a pedestrian zone, although it isn't.
And it sucks for the residents, cause the center turns into one big party throughout the night every weekend, with people yelling and singing in the streets, and throwing bottles everywhere.
For everyone visiting the center on foot, it's great, I guess.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:45 UTC+1 No.637484 Report

Yes I would like to see this in my town and here's why: I live in a college town dominated by a pedestrian only campus. If the surrounding community went car free I think it would be a much nicer place to live. 3 or 4 times each day the entire town becomes gridlocked as everyone let's out of afternoon classes or goes to lunch or 5 o'clock traffic or whatever. Its always 1 or 2 passengers in vehicles making little 2 or 3 mile round trips. If people would walk or bike it would be a cooler place to live
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:55 UTC+1 No.637488 Report

>>637480
Our mayor does that. I voted for him. He turned out to be an incompetent flip-flopper and a massive faggot.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)08:55 UTC+1 No.637489 Report

>>637484
Does it have proper public transport?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:03 UTC+1 No.637496 Report

I don't get how the journalist got from "Anspach Boulevard car free" to "Ban cars in Brussels". The latter ain't happening, ever.

Brussels is a city of cager even though crossing the city by car takes like at least 1 hour during rush hour, and 30 minutes with a bike.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:09 UTC+1 No.637500 Report

>>637496
>I don't get how the journalist got from "Anspach Boulevard car free" to "Ban cars in Brussels"

"Mayor plans to make part of Anspach Boulevard car free" isn't a headline that draws attention.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:10 UTC+1 No.637504 Report

>>637500
I somehow missed the headline. Anyway, as I said this ain't happening in cager-land.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:17 UTC+1 No.637507 Report

>>637504
Another fine example of sensationalist misleading headlines. It sounds like Paris now is completely car-free every other day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582073/Air-pollution-Paris-gets-bad-car-driving-BANNED-alternate-days.html
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:57 UTC+1 No.637525 Report

>>637507
How would /N/ solve a problem like Paris's pollution?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:58 UTC+1 No.637526 Report

>>637525
I'm sorry *Parisian
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)09:59 UTC+1 No.637527 Report

>>637525
Make cars illegal over night, with a mandatory 5 year sentence for people still caught on the road.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)10:38 UTC+1 No.637532 Report

>>637525
Paris could totally handle a car-free inner-city.
It wouldn't be a problem.

It might make le Rendezvous a less interesting clip though.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)12:28 UTC+1 No.637549 Report

>>637473
I would love it. I live in NYC and cagers are a menace to cyclists and pedestrians alike. NY Post readers, lazy fags, outer borough and jersey people who refuse to take public transport, and delivery drivers. the only excusable cases are delivery drivers and invalids and the latter could be handled by permits.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)12:32 UTC+1 No.637550 Report

>>637476
I like my bike and all and think such things are silly but this is just golden. Make those fucking lazy moneygrubbing whore have to use public transport or bike to check in at their "workplace".
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)14:05 UTC+1 No.637569 Report

>>637483

Which city?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)14:46 UTC+1 No.637588 Report

>Live in Houston
>600+ square miles
Fuck riding a bike across town everyday, banning cars here would suck
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)16:20 UTC+1 No.637606 Report

>>637569
Tübingen
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)16:31 UTC+1 No.637611 Report

>>637525
Remove lanes from streets with concrete bollards until the traffic is right. Gradually renovate streets to match the dimensions set with bollards.

The only effective way to permanently reduce traffic is to reduce the space reserved for traffic.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)17:50 UTC+1 No.637625 Report

>>637611
>The only effective way to permanently reduce traffic is to reduce the space reserved for traffic.

That would just increase traffic.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)17:55 UTC+1 No.637626 Report

>>637625
It would reduce traffic and increase congestion
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)17:57 UTC+1 No.637628 Report

>>637549
What does it cost to park in NYC?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)18:02 UTC+1 No.637630 Report

>>637525
More restrictive emission standards plus ban on driving for those vehicles that don't meet them.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)18:03 UTC+1 No.637631 Report

>>637625
What about a proper Metro?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)18:34 UTC+1 No.637636 Report

ban all cars everywhere except the freeway, i dotn give a fuck.
massive parking lots at all exit ramps.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)19:06 UTC+1 No.637642 Report

I would be the happiest mother fucker alive if the banned cars in the city I live in

They're already a great bus system that goes FUCKING EVERYWHERE all over the city, and the big college in town has a great bus system for it's students. The only people that drive here take their car like two blocks from their house and crowd the roads and make it unsafe, and all the rich college students with cars drive just themselves to starbucks. It's fucking crazy.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)19:19 UTC+1 No.637647 Report

>>637628
I am not a cager but anywhere from "free" to under $100 a day. it should be more but what can I do besides vote carefully and laugh at my cager friends when they spend too much free time worrying about parking.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)19:34 UTC+1 No.637654 Report

>>637647
>to under $100 a day
Does a valet come with that parking space?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)19:48 UTC+1 No.637661 Report

>>637647
Christ. Why do they even bother?
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)19:49 UTC+1 No.637663 Report

>>637661
muh freedumbs
>>637654
sometimes
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)21:29 UTC+1 No.637704 Report

>>637489
We have a bus system that transports students but no real public transit beyond that.
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Anonymous 03/17/14(Mon)22:47 UTC+1 No.637733 Report

>>637625
When you take a congested road and take away half the lanes you get a congested road that is capable of containing half as much traffic. Bam, less traffic.

>>637631
Improved transit doesn't reduce traffic. Reducing space reserved for traffic does. But better transit can better swallow new passengers that don't fit in traffic any more. You can usually do both at the same time using dedicated bus lane conversions.
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Anonymous 03/18/14(Tue)01:30 UTC+1 No.637809 Report

>>637507
car-free paris every other day would be awesome, but the article says it's based on the last digit of your license plate, sort of like gas rationing in the USA during the '70s
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Anonymous 03/18/14(Tue)09:46 UTC+1 No.637968 Report

>>637809
People starting to exchange license plates in 3..2..
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Anonymous 03/18/14(Tue)13:11 UTC+1 No.638002 Report

If a place has dense enough PT coverage: metro, trams, commuter, regional/interurban, buses and coaches, plenty of bike infrastructure... its doable
a lot of people would switch without there being any laws
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Anonymous 03/18/14(Tue)14:02 UTC+1 No.638006 Report

>>637968
Irrelevant. 90% won't do it, so traffic is still reduced by 45%.
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Anonymous 03/18/14(Tue)22:38 UTC+1 No.638097 Report

>>638002
The streets would still be clogged with cars. For every person uncongesting the street by switching for transit, there's another person who finds the less congested streets attractive to drive on.

The only way to permanently reduce traffic is to reduce the space reserved for traffic.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)04:14 UTC+1 No.638184 Report

a bunch of people i know who live in san francisco ride a bike but mostly take the bus cuase they dont have anywhere to park

my nieghborhood is an old black neighborhood thats getting gentrified, most houses have a small driveway and about 1-2 parking spaces in front but every house getting moved into is by a bunch of hipsters living 6ppl to a house who all own cars cuase everyone owns a car out here cept for black people so now all of a sudden parking is dissapearing more and more, when i moved in here, at any given time my street would have like maybe 10 spaces regularly open at any given time and these days its like 4, ive only liven here a year, but every week you see a new moving van bringing in a house full of drivers
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)06:43 UTC+1 No.638228 Report

>>637473

I live in LA, I'd want this just to see the asshurt.

but hey it might happen if an oil shortage happens during our drought
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)09:49 UTC+1 No.638280 Report

>>637488
You live in Vancouver by chance?
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)12:20 UTC+1 No.638307 Report

>>638097
>everyones riding PT
>yay I'll drive
no I dont think thats how it works
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)13:40 UTC+1 No.638317 Report

>>637527
>>637532
>>637549
>>637550
>>637611
>>637630
>>637636
>>637642
Get a load of these communists.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)13:51 UTC+1 No.638320 Report

>>638307
>the streets aren't too clogged!
>yay i'll drive
The motorist doesn't care if people ride other modes of transport. They care about whether streets are too congested or not for their needs.

Just improving transit doesn't take motorists off the road. The motorists don't care if more people ride improved transit.

If you want fewer motorists on the road, you reduce the amount of road to fit the desired amount of motorists. No other method is going to stick.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)14:15 UTC+1 No.638326 Report

>>638317
You would think free homes for everyone was communist. Free roads for everyone are the hardest core of communist agenda. But free homes for everyone would at least be more useful communism than free roads for everyone. People don't live on road.

In a free market people pay for the roads they use. Higher cost for higher grade road, and higher cost for more space used. High speeds and large vehicles consume the most roadspace of the highest quality. Low speeds and small vehicles consume little roadspace of the lowest grade. Even lower speeds with no vehicles at all ("pedestrian") consume negligible roadspace and in fact don't need any grade of road at all! Just a footpath on dirt is good.

Is communism all good when it's about providing everyone frivolous luxury? Bad if it about the bare necessities? Good if it's for the middle class, bad when it is for the working classes?
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)14:28 UTC+1 No.638329 Report

>>638326
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you really think people wouldnt buy health insurance if it was cheap to do so? The only reason education, healthcare and "bare necessities" are so expensive is because the government keeps printing money which increases the price of everything and disproportionately effects lower-income people.

Its undeniable that medicare/medicaid have substantially increased the price of healthcare due to inefficiency and bureaucracy. The same thing with education and college loans. The government literally cannot fail because when they eventually do, they create a "crisis" that they fix by printing more money and in recent times taking out loans from china to keep bailing out their failed projects. Ever tried opting out of a government program? Good luck with that but go on patting yourself on the back for what a great job you did helping out the poor. Meanwhile our government spends a 100 billion dollars a year paying interest on loans from our pals in china and saudi arabia. How is that supposed to improve income inequality?
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)14:32 UTC+1 No.638330 Report

>>638329
>The only reason education, healthcare and "bare necessities" are so expensive is because the government keeps printing money which increases the price of everything and disproportionately effects lower-income people.
Please, keep your tinfoil hat on and return to /pol/. At least read a few books before you begin to spout shit concerning things you know nothing about.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)14:41 UTC+1 No.638331 Report

>>638330
Cool ad hominem, you have no defense for your position because your beliefs are a fantasy. You cant argue facts or numbers because all you have is a feelings and hope. The fact of the matter is that the US is currently in 17 trillion dollars worth of debt and its likely to balloon up to 70 trillion in our lifetime but keep telling yourself that governments (which are no different from a business with the exception of being able to shoot you without repercussion) are infallible.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)15:37 UTC+1 No.638334 Report

>>638331
>muh gold standurrd

Back2 pol

You can't even keep affect and effect straight you illiterate paultard
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)15:48 UTC+1 No.638337 Report

>>638334
Got anything else m8.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)17:36 UTC+1 No.638361 Report

>>638329
You did not address the issue of free roads at all. Please explain how free roads aren't a massive government boondoggle.
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Anonymous 03/19/14(Wed)19:32 UTC+1 No.638397 Report

>>638334
orthography is tyranny of the state
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