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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)17:05 UTC+1 No.334269 Report

Hey guys, 3 of my friends and I are heading to the Gore Mountain range north of Vail, CO in a few weeks as a grad trip. None of us have camped longer than 3 days before and especially not up that high. We're kind of worried about food, both about having enough and being able to pack it all out since we're backpacking to a spot about 10 miles away.

Does anyone have any experience packing food for a long trip with no resupply that can help out? What kind of foods should we be looking at? Any tips to drop weight without sacrificing flavor?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)17:24 UTC+1 No.334279 Report

Also, does anybody know if bears are going to be a threat 11k feet up in these ranges? I know there are bighorn but I think that's all there is other than trout in Bubble lake
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)18:56 UTC+1 No.334316 Report

I like to substitute bread with pita or tortilla.

MRE for when the weather is bad and you don't feel like cooking.

Condensed milk if you want a quick boost of energy, and its a nice treat sometimes.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:14 UTC+1 No.334329 Report

How long a trip are you talking?

I don't even see any "food" in there, except one package of Tuna Creations. Most of that looks like snacks. If you're backing ten miles up a mountain to 11k, it's a lot longer than "10 miles" makes it sound. You'll want an actual meal--not just trail mix and candy. Oh, now I'm seeing that you have a pizza, too.

Ok, those aren't good food. Get some dehydrated packages of food that are add water and wait. Things like beef stroganoff and other hearty, thick, hot stuffs. You're not gonna want to make a pizza after a day of hiking, man--don't be ridiculous. I don't know what height you're starting at, but I've gone on ten mile hikes in the Sierras that start at 7k and end up above 11. Boiling water feels like too much effort.

Not MREs. They're unnecessarily heavy and often pretty bad. Get the kind of stuff in pic related. They're hot, they're easy, they have lots of water, and they're filling.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:17 UTC+1 No.334331 Report

>>334279
Oh, and regarding black bears? You need to call the forestry station and ask. Just find the nearest one, tell them where you're going, and ask about bear precautions. They'll tell you what you precautions you need--and may be legally required--to take.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:24 UTC+1 No.334341 Report

Bring food with as little water content and as high nutrition content as you can. Food that can be cooked fast if you can't make fire (nature reserve?) and only have a gas cooker.
Cereal bars

Bring stuff like chinese noodles, beans, lentils, etc.
Packet soup, chicken broth (without the glass of course), plenty of various spices (oregano, basil, thyme, rosemary and of course salt and pepper). Some people like powdered milk. I also never go without tomato paste, mustard and a few cloves of garlic.
Bread and various spreads as well as salami and other cured/dried sausages. Make to ask the bakery lady for bread that stays edible the longest and ask for some "bread safe" (just a bag that keeps it fresh longer). Still, after a few days start looking for mold.
And of course Tea.

Generally, I found it works best to eat some oatz and maybe cereal bars plus tea in the morning, bread with spread plus some sausages for lunch and something big in the evening (plus a soup if it's cold). More cereal bars on the trail as snacks.

We also like to dry our own fruits. I had really good experiences with tomatoes and bananas, as well as kiwi and peaches which tasted fairly alright, but were still nice with the oats.

The food will be easily the heaviest you'll carry.
Calculate the amount per day per person.
So you'll say,"okay I'll eat 125g oats each morning, 4 cereal bars over the day, some slices of bread and a sausage for lunch and 200g noodles in the evening"

Chances are you'll overpack your first few times (which is better than starving I guess), so try not to go over 20kg in total weight.

>we're backpacking to a spot about 10 miles away.

Wait, you're just camping? As in you won't carry your whole weight all the time for a week?
Eh, you can be a bit more lenient then I guess.
Regardless, if this is your first time hiking with weight, I'd calculate it to be twice as long and exhausting if I were you.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:27 UTC+1 No.334342 Report

>>334341
I forgot, pack everything in its own watertight container (just plastic bags will do) and all food together in another plastic bag. You don't want a hole in the tomato paste tube smear tomato paste over everything.
And while I'm at it, pack each toilet paper roll you bring in an extra plastic bag as well. If you're tired, miserable and cold at a 3300 peak, everything completely wet, at least the toilet paper is still dry.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:44 UTC+1 No.334355 Report

>>334269
You didn't say how long the trip will be. Depending on how many days you'll be out there, and how much hiking you'll do, I might recommend different foods. In general, I would use the following checklist for each day:
>2 pounds of food per day
>>appetizing food for breakfast
>>>sweet food (ex. candy, fruit)
>>>hearty food with a touch of sweetness (ex. cereal bar with fruit center)
>>snacks for brunch, lunch, and linner
>>>hearty food (ex. energy bars, granola, bread, bagel, nuts, pita bread/chips, jerky)
>>>fatty food (ex. block of cheese, summer sausage, spreads, hummus)
>>>sweet food (ex. candy bars, fruit, sweet drink mixes like lemonade)
>>one large meal for dinner
>>>dehydrated meal (ex. Mountain House meal "for 2", grocery store instant noodles)
>>>dessert (ex. dehydrated dessert, candy, fruit)
Make sure you have 2 pounds for each day (but 1 lb will generally suffice if you're just sitting in camp all day), and you'll be fine. I can fit about 9 days of food in a 55 liter pack (a medium-small size backpack). Always think: low effort, low weight, high calories.

>>334279
I think around 11,000 feet, you should always be able to find a tree in CO, so you can use a standard "bear bag" technique (Google it, I don't want to waste space in this post). If you're too high and there are no trees growing, your chances of encountering a black bear go down, but you should still be pretty careful. If there are no trees, put your food bag at the top of a tall rock or cliff. Hold it in place with a rope and a rock. At minimum, this should keep the marmots out of it. Never keep food in your tent or campsite.

>>334331
It's Colorado, so I am 99% sure that there won't be a legal requirement for him to do anything special (although with the huge influx of Californians these days, when CO will become a nanny state is anyone's guess).

>>334329
Look at the filename. The image is clearly from Google Images.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:49 UTC+1 No.334362 Report

>>334355
>It's Colorado, so I am 99% sure that there won't be a legal requirement for him to do anything special (although with the huge influx of Californians these days, when CO will become a nanny state is anyone's guess).
National Park service regulations are natural. A simple google search reveals that in plenty of Colorado state parks requirements are year round, as well (For instance, the website for Mueller State Park in Colorado states: "Strict food storage regulations apply year round and 24 hours a day").

OP needs to call the forestry station and ask. Your assumption that food storage requirements don't exist in Colorado is flatly wrong.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)19:50 UTC+1 No.334364 Report

>>334362
>National Park service regulations are natural
*national, not natural.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:01 UTC+1 No.334367 Report

>>334362
I'll admit that I was unaware that there were bear canister requirements in RMNP until I Googled it just now, but OP said "Gore Mountain Range north of Vail, CO," which implies unincorporated wilderness or regular National Forest, which are not subject to nanny state regulations about food storage - and even if they were, Colorado doesn't employ nannies to patrol the mountains looking for people who didn't pack in a gigantic bear canister with their gear. Googling the area confirms that it is not within any areas subject to nanny-state regulation. OP is most likely going to Eagle's Nest Wilderness.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:03 UTC+1 No.334370 Report

>>334367
Please stop inserting your political agenda into a simple request by OP for information. Either provide the information or don't. Enough of your "blah blah my politics" garbage that no one cares for.

You don't know the facts. I don't know the facts. Either get them and get back to OP, or give the best information available.

The best information available is call a forestry station and ask.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:07 UTC+1 No.334378 Report

>>334370
>You don't know the facts.
http://www.wilderness.net/NWPS/wildView?WID=168&tab=Area%20Management#regs
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:09 UTC+1 No.334380 Report

Hey guys, sorry, I had first type this up and forgot to include an image and then forgot to restate how long the trip is in the OP. We're going to Eagles Nest Wilderness for 1 Week, July 1st - July8th probably. It's 4 guys, most of us sitting around 5'10"-6' and 140-165lbs. We're all 18 and athletes so weight up to 50 or 60lbs for a pack isn't a huge problem for us, although this is very unfamiliar altitude for us since we're coming from South Carolina where we live at maybe 300ft above sea level, while our camp will be sitting somewhere around 10 or 11k feet up.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:12 UTC+1 No.334383 Report

>>334380
How high are you starting at, and how high are you going per day? That elevation change is a big worry. Are you getting to the first camp site soon after arriving and is it high up? Having a night to acclimate is a good idea. Like, if you're starting from 8k, get up there late at night and just immediately camp the first night, it'll do you some good if you're climbing 3k the next day.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:14 UTC+1 No.334386 Report

Also, I can't reply to everyone specifically because I'm kind of in a rush to get to work but I'd like to make a few points.

The picture in the OP is indeed just a random one pulled from google, not what we have intended to pack.

We've all been on multiple camping trips with hiking in upwards of 10 or 20 miles with elevation gains of a few thousand feet in one day, so we can physically handle it and know what to pack for short trips. It's the longer one we're worried about.

We're hiking to Bubble lake in the Gore ranges, there's a good post on summitpost if you google it. It would be our "basecamp" you could say, we plan on hitting some 14ers that are very close and possibly going to other lakes, as well as fishing for trout while we are there. Trees are present but a little scarce.

Since we're high up, even though there are trees, should we expect to have to lug logs for a distance back to camp if we want to have a fire?
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:26 UTC+1 No.334395 Report

>>334383
We're starting at 9k up, and that was the plan. It's a 26 hour drive and we're spending the night in Kansas city on our way there because one of us has family there. So it will be an 11 hour drive the second day, and we'll just hike out a mile or so that night and sleep before the big day ahead of us.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:30 UTC+1 No.334397 Report

>>334395
Then you should be fine. Just take the first hiking day slow, and try not to do the dude thing where you egg each other on to go longer than your limits want to let you. If someone says they're tired, it's probably because of the air, rather than the shape they're in. Take it slow and acclimate, and you shouldn't have any problems.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:32 UTC+1 No.334401 Report

>>334395
>>334386
> I'm kind of in a rush to get to work
don't worry, /out/ is slow enough.

Anyway, you should be fine then. Just be reasonable and try to stay within your limits. Prepare some alternative routes in case you over- or underestimate yourself.
It's never wrong to have some extra sewing stuff and other repair items for backpacks with you on long trips.

Take plenty of pictures and post them when you come back!
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)20:35 UTC+1 No.334405 Report

>>334380
One week is no big deal, food-wise, especially if you plan on making a base camp somewhere (you can take some of the weight out of your packs, whether it's your tent and sleeping bag, or whether you find a tree to hang your food in). Just follow the 2 pounds of food per day rule.

>>334386
>[no trees]...lug logs for a distance back to camp...?
The general LNT rule of thumb is that if you're too high for any wood to grow, you *shouldn't* have a fire. That biome is too fragile, and can't support people burning up all the logs, or making a bunch of new burned areas on the ground from campfires. In practical terms, there will almost certainly be enough wood for a small fire, and even if there isn't, you could always use smaller sticks. I would optimistically suggest that you use gas stoves to cook your food, stargaze at night, and go to bed early so as to get up early and enjoy the fair early morning weather while climbing.

>We've all been on multiple camping trips with hiking in upwards of 10 or 20 miles with elevation gains of a few thousand feet in one day, so we can physically handle it and know what to pack for short trips. It's the longer one we're worried about.
The elevation gain can really do you in, especially after a long, dehydrating car trip. You have a good idea by only hiking a mile or so the first day. Keep in mind that the days you do 14ers, though, will be much more strenuous, and to make sure you pace yourselves - not just yourself, if you notice another member of your party getting a headache, make sure that he doesn't push himself, or you may be dealing with the consequences as a group.
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Anonymous 06/17/14(Tue)21:47 UTC+1 No.334463 Report

fucks sake, we need to make a /out/ food sticky.
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Anonymous 06/18/14(Wed)01:40 UTC+1 No.334609 Report

>>334405
>>334401
>>334397

Thanks for the help guys! I'm really excited for the trip and hope to take a ton of photos and possibly make a video. Let's hope everything goes well!
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