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so, I've been thinking of...
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)00:38 UTC+1 No.276026 Report

so, I've been thinking of getting in to hunting (on the fence about if I want to start with deer or duck), but it seems like there are a lot of obstacles in illinois.

So, I've got Hunter Safety Education in a few weeks; but it seems like I might be better off hunting in Wisconsin. Do I have to take another safety course for that, or will my Illinois safety course be recognized by Wisconsin? Or Indiana, or any other state for that matter?

I've gotten a foid card, and after much research decided a AR-10 chambered in .308 would be a good gun. EXCEPT it's too small to be legally used in illinois, AND in illinois, I have to use a muzzle loader.
So, maybe a shotgun would be better? Are 12 gauge slugs more effective than .308?

hope you guys can provide some insight!
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)03:50 UTC+1 No.276148 Report

that makes it sound like you might be able to use an out of state class.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)03:58 UTC+1 No.276153 Report

.308 will take down a deer just fine. You could even use .223 if you get a lung/heart shot, but I wouldn't suggest it.
No experience with 12 gauge slugs, but I feel like a .308 will perform better at longer distances and give you a clean kill.

/k/ might be able to help you a bit better in terms of calibres and such.

btw AR-10's are god tier, good choice.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)04:28 UTC+1 No.276184 Report

.308 is more than enough to take down a deer. However, if you still don't believe me, just get a Mosin for $140 plus a can of 440 rounds for another $80, that's still like 1/3 (or less) of the price of an AR10. It will bring down a deer in one shot if you hit them right. Last year I shot one through the rear thigh and out the opposite lung, he didn't go anywhere after that.

And 7.62x54r is used to even hunt bears in some places.

But like the other guy said, I'd try /k/
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)04:52 UTC+1 No.276202 Report

.308 is a great round for big game. That said, a 12 gauge can be used for small game (rabbit, squirrel, grouse, dove, et cetera), duck, turkey and deer as well.

I wouldn't try to deter you from either. Consider the terrain you will hunt. Slug guns have a reputation for being good in areas with more thick brush. Obviously, rifles have a much more significant range. Also, consider optics.

Also, the moist nugget is not something I'd suggest as a first firearm.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)04:58 UTC+1 No.276211 Report

Agreed that the Mosin probably isn't the best starter. Trust me, it was my first (besides my grandpa's .22 of course)

You'll most likely develop a huge flinch and your shoulder will be black and blue if you're skinny/small/non-muscular
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)14:22 UTC+1 No.276383 Report

>I've gotten a foid card, and after much research decided a AR-10 chambered in .308 would be a good gun. EXCEPT it's too small to be legally used in illinois, AND in illinois, I have to use a muzzle loader.
Holy shit, that sucks.

These anons are right. Nuggets are nice guns to have if you like collecting milsurp, but they're pretty much meh-tier for hunting. Don't listen to most of /k/ when they seem to claim it's one of the greatest guns ever, it's not. Especially for hunting.

Just get a decent 12 gauge if you're still undecided between duck and deer, so you'll just have to switch ammo between the two without the need to get another gun (slugs or buckshot for deer, birdshot for ducks of course). Plus I find shotguns to be more fun to shoot, personally.

12 gauge slugs are as good for deer, actually I think they're even better than .308 since the projectile is usually rounder and heavier. The downside is that a slug is far from being effective and reliable at long range (I'd recommend not being farther than about 100 yards), especially compared to .308, but if anything it'll force you to get better at tracking and stalking, and that's a good thing imo.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)21:57 UTC+1 No.276618 Report

Check your local laws, in a lot of states only shotguns are allowed during firearm season.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)22:41 UTC+1 No.276649 Report

>Are 12 gauge slugs more effective than .308?
At short range, they're about equally as effective. For any shooting past 100 yards, I'd much rather have the .308.

Nothing wrong with a muzzleloader, either. You really only get 1 shot when hunting deer anyway.
Anonymous 02/25/14(Tue)22:57 UTC+1 No.276659 Report

Illinois is shotgun-only. Wisconsin is pretty lax except for the CWD areas (down south), especially the Northwoods were I live. not sure about Indiana
Anonymous 02/27/14(Thu)01:43 UTC+1 No.277575 Report

I'm in Indiana, and I can use a fucking revolver if I want to. Indiana is pretty lenient.

Anonymous 02/27/14(Thu)08:42 UTC+1 No.277765 Report

10/10 no petafags on hunting thread
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)17:50 UTC+1 No.279507 Report

Figured I would ask in this thread I need a hunting rifle but I don't know what to buy I know how to use firearms and have several but they aren't the kind I want to hunt with. I just want a bolt action for deer and elk inside of 500 yards I'm not sure what caliber either I was thinking of .308.

>inb4 Mosin Nagant I have one and I don't want to hunt with it.

>pic related based Colorado
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)18:14 UTC+1 No.279515 Report


For elk you want 30 06

If you expect to reach far (you should in co) then a 270 is nice

Look at savage rifles, good price for good quality
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)18:25 UTC+1 No.279525 Report

Thank you sir.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)18:36 UTC+1 No.279538 Report

Where are you brah? I'm down in the springs. I hunt elk and deer with a Ruger 30-06 and antelope with a .243. 30-06 is great at long range, you just need to practice. Any questions?
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)18:42 UTC+1 No.279543 Report

Also, I second Savage. the Savage 110 family is fantastic.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:23 UTC+1 No.279572 Report

>down in the springs
Oh lawd, I'm a few dozen miles south of Pueblo. The springs are far north for me man. I love the Colorado Springs though, Denver is shit tier. Looking to move west in the boonies away from the californian tourists and the uppity big city liberals.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:24 UTC+1 No.279573 Report

I have heard good things about the Savages, I wanted to go with a Remington 700 but I'm told they suck really hard lately compared to the older models.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:25 UTC+1 No.279575 Report

>I love the Colorado Springs though
>the Colorado Springs

My bad.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:29 UTC+1 No.279578 Report

Springs is ok dude. I fly down to pueblo a lot and fish the tailwaters of the Arkansas. I still miss my home state of Maine though.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:32 UTC+1 No.279580 Report

I was just grammar nazi'ing myself, It's a nice drive on 24 west, And through Manitou Springs. I learned last weekend why snow shoes are important when I was doing a little hiking on Pikes Peak.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:35 UTC+1 No.279584 Report

I did Pikes a couple years ago with an Air Force buddy, I had done Mt Washington the month before and did the incline a couple times, that hike still was terrible. 26.2 miles round trip. I often go down to canon city to fly fish grape creek. I actually bought my ruger 77 30-06 in pueblo west before they changed the rules.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:41 UTC+1 No.279587 Report

>before they changed the rules.
What rules? I haven't bought a firearm in a long time, I just learned yesterday There is a $10.00 fee now for the background check.
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:44 UTC+1 No.279591 Report

I bought it off a guy, not a store sale. No background check was required
Anonymous 03/02/14(Sun)19:45 UTC+1 No.279596 Report

Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)04:09 UTC+1 No.279897 Report

.308 is a wonderful cartridge to take deer. Unfortunately, as it is fired out of a centerfire rifle, it is illegal to use in Illinois for that purpose.
Illinois only allows hunting deer with muzzleloaders of .44 caliber and up, or shotguns firing slugs.
12 gauge doesn't work nearly as well as .308, but that's the point in the eyes of Illinois. Even the least efficient centerfire rifles can kill at distances well over a mile away. In a state as flat yet as densely populated as Illinois, the prospect of some kid getting hit by a stray hunting bullet can be all too real. Shotguns and muzzleloaders have a much shorter maximum effective range, and are therefore much safer to innocent bystanders should something go wrong.
Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)04:15 UTC+1 No.279898 Report

308 will work fine for both.
You'll want to use heavier bullet weights (180 grains or more) to take down elk reliably.
Anonymous 03/03/14(Mon)04:41 UTC+1 No.279912 Report

If you're innawoods and can't use a rifle:

This or similar variant:

Or if you want to spend a little more:

Plus some VERY good rings and a scope that can go to 6x at least. Nikon Prostaff, Redfield Revenge, or if you REALLY feel like getting pricey, a Leupold.



Of course you could get a slug gun combo with a Cerberus-era Rem 870 that someone threw a K-Mart Tasco scope on for about $400 bucks, but if you stay in the hunting game long enough it's easy to learn the simple adage that 90% of the time when it comes to guns, you get what you pay for. The other 10% are polymer framed pistols.
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)13:16 UTC+1 No.282448 Report

>For elk you want 30 06
.308 and factory .30-06 are almost the same damn thing until you're pushing several hundred yards and someone new to distance shooting shouldn't be doing that anyway. If he can't find a rifle he loves in .30-06 (which I agree is a better choice, if mostly for the handloading potential) then a rifle in .308 will probably serve him just fine.

>If you expect to reach far (you should in co) then a 270 is nice.
Meh. I'd just skip .270 and go straight to the magnums for distance shooting. Assuming, of course, that you mean far and not "far". We have both in this state; mountains can be tricksy with distances.

Also, nice to see Coloradofags in here; I'm in Pueblo but I'm going to be going down to La Veta and the Spanish Peaks to do a little scouting on the weekend.
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)16:33 UTC+1 No.282532 Report


I don't mean "far" far, but the 270 is such a flat shooter that it makes the 400 yard hits easier, ive only ever fired a friends, but I was adequately impressed and its versatile enough for all the big game in co except maybe moose

308 is fine, but it just doesn't have the full potential of some of the other rounds, imo, especially when you want to push a heavy bullet

I'm not saying 308 is a bad choice, just not mine for a few reasons

Im in Northglenn right now btw, love being /out/ in Colorado
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)17:11 UTC+1 No.282554 Report

>Denver metro area

I think fucking PUEBLO is a better place to live than that sprawling morass of concrete, immigrants and gun-grabbers, and that's saying something because Pueblo is legitimately awful.
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)17:16 UTC+1 No.282557 Report


Northglenn is small and quiet but I do agree, Denver is sucks

It always surprises me how many people from Colorado are on 4chan, but I guess people from other States think the same thing in their threads
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)18:44 UTC+1 No.282586 Report

pick up an old ithaca deerslayer
12 gauge slugs are required because they do not travel as far and pose less of a risk for errant rounds hitting houses a mile away. Here in certain parts of NY 12 gauge is required for rifle season and has been used successfully for generations. But then again the longest shot here is across a pasture maybe, most are less than 200 yards.
Anonymous 03/07/14(Fri)20:37 UTC+1 No.282627 Report

With the proper loads and a decent gun/barrel, you can reach out and touch things with a 12 gauge pretty well.
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)01:13 UTC+1 No.282791 Report

This is probably edging on /k content, but...

How would a Krag Jorgenson hold up as a second rifle (first was grand-daddy's .22 Mossberg)? Would probably be used at the range and plinking while /out, possibly see some light hunting action.

Let me be clear-- not suggesting a Krag for OP. Not that many of them out there (from the looks of things), and they're finnicky old milsurps on a good day.

OP-- have you thought of something like a .30-30 94 Winchester? I dunno if undercocking is your thing, but that could be a decent choice if you're looking at slug shotguns (I assume that's for local restrictions on long-range guns in built up areas, but correct me if I'm wrong).
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)01:39 UTC+1 No.282798 Report

Depends. I dont know about deer hunting in illiniois, but if you are shooting deer at 200+ yards, it maybe worth it to get a slug gun, in either 20 or 12 gauge. However if you want to hunt both deer and ducks you can get an al purpose 12 gauge and do fine.

Muzzle Loaders are also a fun challenge, as they can be tricky to be accurate with
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)01:45 UTC+1 No.282800 Report


/out/ is just about the only place to discuss hunting /k/ doesnt like to talk about anything except mall ninja shit
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)01:56 UTC+1 No.282806 Report


Fuc/k/ off. There are too many gun discussions on /out/ and it's shitting the joint up.
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)05:52 UTC+1 No.282901 Report

>complains about guns shitting the place up
>shits the place up
Go pick the splinters out of your dick.
It'd be a fine rifle, a lot of people sporterized them years ago for hunting.
Anonymous 03/08/14(Sat)21:51 UTC+1 No.283193 Report


a hunting rifle is a tool and therefore it belongs here
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