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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)15:52 UTC+1 No.2356324 Report

60D or D5300? Learn quite a bit about camera, but rarely touched a dslr. Then, I tried my friends 70d and kind of like the ink screen
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)16:11 UTC+1 No.2356339 Report

bump
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)16:35 UTC+1 No.2356356 Report

>>2356324
60D.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)16:45 UTC+1 No.2356360 Report

>>2356324
60D, disregard the synthetic lab tests like dxomark the 60D is much better in the real world and it isn't as crippled as the D5300 when it comes to usability and dedicated buttons, you also get a faster shutter, a larger pentaprism viewfinder, and significantly better battery
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)16:51 UTC+1 No.2356365 Report

>>2356360
>disregard the synthetic lab tests like dxomark the 60D is much better in the real world and it isn't as crippled as the D5300 when it comes to usability and dedicated buttons, you also get a faster shutter, a larger pentaprism viewfinder, and significantly better battery

Translation:
>D5300 image quality is superior to that of the 60D. However, the 60D has many other features that the D5300 does not, which makes it more usable for budding photographers.

No need to act like sensor performance "doesn't matter" in the Real World because it does, but yes the 60D does just fine and will probably be better in the long run for the OP.


Then again, OP could always get a used D7000, which also has muh buttons and muh dials and muh 1/8000 (one extra stop) shutter speed. Depends on his needs, and what kinds of lenses he wants and stuff.

Also OP, please, in the future, post questions like these in the gear thread.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)16:56 UTC+1 No.2356371 Report

>>2356324
K-5ii
thank me later
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:16 UTC+1 No.2356377 Report

>>2356365
Fuck sensor performance when you can't auto focus with certain nikon lenses, you have to get out of live view to change the aperture, to change settings other than aperture, shutter you have to go menu surfing and the camera has an amazing grip if you only have 3 fingers on your right hand :D
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:25 UTC+1 No.2356381 Report

OP here, I'm going to talk beginning photography (requirements) and I need a dslr. After studying the specs for both camera, it seems D5300 do better at low light?
Not really kin to get a used camera...

I dont care about GPS, touchscreen or wifi
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:30 UTC+1 No.2356387 Report

>>2356381
you already made your choice based on iso performance, what is your question?

>>2356365
yeah, you could buy a canon 5d markiii used too, but that's not what op is asking
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:32 UTC+1 No.2356388 Report

>>2356387
from what I search D5300 takes a bit more steps to change settings, does it really slower than 60D?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:32 UTC+1 No.2356389 Report

>>2356381
see
>>2356371
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:33 UTC+1 No.2356390 Report

>>2356389
more research to be done =.=
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:35 UTC+1 No.2356391 Report

>>2356388
if you want sensor performance, go for d5300, it's sharper, better iso, better dynamic range and for some, better color rendition

if you want better controls, go for canon, i made the choice of going with canon, and didn't regret, even knowing it has a sensor not that great (compared with nikon), but canon has, imo a better system, that will "last" more
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:37 UTC+1 No.2356392 Report

>>2356391
now I hate myself even more for touching a 70d >3<
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:41 UTC+1 No.2356395 Report

>>2356392
why?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:42 UTC+1 No.2356396 Report

>>2356395
because it combines both (60d and d5300)?
better sensor right?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:46 UTC+1 No.2356398 Report

>>2356396
not better than d5300, but better controls for sure, even a canon rebel has better controls than a nikon d5300, but even a nikon d3300 has better sensor than a canon 70D
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:48 UTC+1 No.2356401 Report

>>2356377
> Auto focus
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:49 UTC+1 No.2356402 Report

>>2356398
So its really up to me which one I can't stand not having, good control or image quality
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:54 UTC+1 No.2356403 Report

>>2356402
basically, both are better than any camera from 10 years behind

choose the one you like better, both are capable of getting great results
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)17:55 UTC+1 No.2356404 Report

>>2356387
>yeah, you could buy a canon 5d markiii used too, but that's not what op is asking

I recommended the D7000 because it costs as much as either of these cameras in used condition; for the most part in terms of "specs" it outperforms the 60D while having ergonomics and weather resistance. The K5 is also an option.

>>2356377
OK but I don't get people's obsession with using old lenses, unless you already have legacy glass that somebody gave you or have them from decades of shooting Nikon. And if you're the latter, you wouldn't be looking at a D5300 OR a 60D from Canon.

>get out of live view to change aperture
OP never said anything about video - in fact he never said what his needs are at all.

>>2356381
Either get a used Nikon "prosumer" camera such as the D7000 or look into Pentax cameras. Fairly modern camera bodies from either of those brands use sensors from Sony with superior performance to that of any Canon crop D-SLR.

If you get a Nikon prosumer D-SLR or any Pentax D-SLR they will have access to all key features as well as solid build quality and AF, and weather resistance. The 60D does not have any advertised weather sealing.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:09 UTC+1 No.2356409 Report

>>2356404
>while having ergonomics and
You don't know what that word means. Stop using it.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:10 UTC+1 No.2356412 Report

>>2356404
Alright, I'll check if the store sells Pentax and take a look, but for used, that might be a bit risky...
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:11 UTC+1 No.2356415 Report

>>2356412
>used
But why?

If you're short on money, get a K-50 kit.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:15 UTC+1 No.2356418 Report

>>2356412
>Alright, I'll check if the store sells Pentax and take a look, but for used, that might be a bit risky...
...no. First things first. Go and handle each of these cameras. Fiddle with the buttons. Figure out if any of them don't feel right to you. As long as you're getting a decent camera (which all of the ones you're looking at are), the IQ will be good enough for you, but does it feel like ass in your hands? Is it comfortable enough to hold for extended periods? Are the buttons/dials laid out in a way you can get to the important ones?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:15 UTC+1 No.2356419 Report

>>23564
After all the talk, I still haven't mention the budget lol 1000
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:22 UTC+1 No.2356420 Report

>>2356409
>Stop using it

I'll use it all I want, friend

>>2356412
Yeah definitely do what the other guy said and take a look and try hand-holding all of the cameras you can get your hands on. Don't limit your selection so much either; be willing to try out any camera within your budget.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:22 UTC+1 No.2356421 Report
File: 7d.jpg-(125x125)
neither. 7D or D7000 or...
neither. 7D or D7000 or whatever it's up to now.

7d mark 2 is about to drop so just wait a bit to see how it shakes up the crop body market.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:28 UTC+1 No.2356424 Report

>>2356421
>7D Mark II is about to drop

Haven't people been saying this for 3 or 4 years now?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:38 UTC+1 No.2356426 Report

>>2356424
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:39 UTC+1 No.2356427 Report

>>2356426
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)18:59 UTC+1 No.2356437 Report

>>2356426
>>2356427
That proves absolutely nothing, though.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)19:23 UTC+1 No.2356456 Report

>>2356412
>Alright, I'll check if the store sells Pentax
unless its B&H, they're not going to carry Pentax DSLR, only bridge/advancedPnS
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)19:26 UTC+1 No.2356457 Report

>>2356437

yeah i know, i check canonrumors daily, since you guys aren't gearfag friendly around here.

it's a 5 year old body and only getting older, it's just about that time.
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)19:28 UTC+1 No.2356459 Report

>>2356426
>>2356427
...so you want to believe that people shooting not-canon wouldn't look over and see a 7dII and snap pictures of it to sell?

Cute.

Also, what in any of those pictures makes you think 7dii?
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Anonymous 07/05/14(Sat)19:57 UTC+1 No.2356491 Report

>>2356459

fuck my head hurts just reading that.

anyway since aps-h is dead there will be a 'pro' aps-c body to replace the current 'pro' aps-c body. also a replacement for the 100-400 L. whether or not it will be a 7D or some other number who really cares.

1Dx2 or whatever it will be called is in the same boat. it's obvious that the world's biggest futbol event is the ideal place to finish out beta testing and move on to market.

or ya know, canon could just stop making new cameras and sensors.
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)09:01 UTC+1 No.2356880 Report

>>2356491
Which has been the case for the last half decade. You've told us nothing to convince us that those pictures in anyway indicate that what we are looking at is a 7dII, so why do you have to act so defensive?
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)11:55 UTC+1 No.2356912 Report

>>2356426
>>2356427
>>2356491
>be pro /p/otato shooting at WC
>a few years back I lost my camera and all of my shots to a freak rainstorm and a weather sealing failure while in the tropics
> vowed never to let that happen again... Yeah they have replacement bodies but that doesn't bring back pictures or the moments I miss while getting replacement body
> camera condom always

Also, of course he was always at thesame spot. they are assigned at the wc.
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)12:35 UTC+1 No.2356922 Report

>>2356404
>implying that most people on a budget wouldn't get the still very popular 50mm f/1.8 D that doesn't af with anything under a D7000

>implying that live view is only for video
>implying that the terrible live view / aperture problem isn't a pain in the ass for setting up any kind of long exposure
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)13:08 UTC+1 No.2356962 Report

>>2356922
50mm on a crop body isn't that useful unless you're doing portraiture

does nikon not have a cheap 35mm or something?
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Anonymous 07/06/14(Sun)13:13 UTC+1 No.2356964 Report

>>2356922
>50 1.8D
You serious?

By far the most popular and most recommended prime lens for Nikon DX cameras is the 35 1.8 because it's far more versatile on a crop camera.

>not able to change aperture during live view
I just did that on a D5100 without a problem.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)10:30 UTC+1 No.2357509 Report

>>2356962
They do, and it's meant specifically for their crop cameras. Or as Jon Gilbert would say, their Full Frame DX cameras, because there's no crop when you use the DX 35mm on a DX body.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)11:08 UTC+1 No.2357517 Report

>>2357509
wat

Captcha: basement indedta (fedora tip)
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:44 UTC+1 No.2357606 Report

>>2357509
Wanna know what's funny about that?

It's been known for a while now that you CAN use the 35 1.8 DX on FX cameras.

You get heavy vignetting on the sides at smaller apertures but even if you simply crop those bits away you still have an image that's just a bit smaller than full frame. You can shoot it wide open and edit out the vignettes entirely for a full FX image.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:52 UTC+1 No.2357607 Report

>>2357606
the only thing funny here is your post shows you know nothing about the whole crop factor argument.

here's a hint: think about the size of the image circle cast by a given lens
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:53 UTC+1 No.2357608 Report

I would get a Nokia Lumia phone instead of a 60D. Either get a 70D, or wait for the 7D Mark II
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:55 UTC+1 No.2357609 Report

>>2357607
What in the world does this have to do with the crop factor "argument"?

I'm not arguing anything with you, I'm stating a fact.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:56 UTC+1 No.2357610 Report

>>2357608

clearly you didnt read, op is using for a class.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)15:58 UTC+1 No.2357611 Report

>>2357610
i dont see that written anywhere.
maybe you are
>implying
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)16:04 UTC+1 No.2357612 Report

>>2357611
oh shit, I have exposed my identity!
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)16:09 UTC+1 No.2357613 Report

>>2357608
Want kamera?
Fuk u!
Get fon!
Wait mo'!
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)16:26 UTC+1 No.2357616 Report

what about d7000 vs d5300?
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)16:50 UTC+1 No.2357622 Report

or you could not be a nigger and just get a Sony (A77, A77 II), which is an undeniable better value with all the fucktons of tech Sony crams into those DSLT's. only flaw is battery life doe.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)17:14 UTC+1 No.2357639 Report

>>2356324
second-hand D7000

better than or equal to any other crop-format camera in existence
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)17:15 UTC+1 No.2357640 Report

>>2357622
>Sony
>better value
pick one
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)17:18 UTC+1 No.2357641 Report

>>2357640
>muh weather sealing
>muh 24.3 Mp
>muh hella autofocus
>muh EVF w/ HUD
>muh Zeiss
>muh Minolta legacy glass
>muh constant innovation vs. sitting on a name
>muh burst rate

canon better step it up in the 7DII, the A77II is the king of sports APS-C naow bitches.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)17:21 UTC+1 No.2357643 Report

>>2357641
>Canon
>Good
pick one
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)18:02 UTC+1 No.2357662 Report

>>2357641
>the A77II is the king of sports APS-C naow bitches.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)18:34 UTC+1 No.2357682 Report

>>2357662
>pentacks vs. sony
That's like compairing shit and puke
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)18:40 UTC+1 No.2357690 Report

>>2357662
none of any of that has anything to do with sports, the fact of the matter is that with the hella burst rate and the fantastic autofocus system, the A77II is king
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)18:45 UTC+1 No.2357695 Report

>>2357690
The most important aspect of sports photography is a fast, long, accurate, quick, and high-resolving lens. How's Sony doing in that regard?
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)19:26 UTC+1 No.2357717 Report

>>2357695
http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-70-300mm-4-0-5-6-Digital-A17NII/dp/B0012UUP02

long enough for you?
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)19:33 UTC+1 No.2357723 Report

>>2357607
I actually forgot about that when I posted the Jon Gilber joke. My friend shoots a 610 and has a 35mm dx from his crop days and told me about it. Not sure how the Nikon engineers managed that but it's pretty awesome if you ask me.
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)19:34 UTC+1 No.2357724 Report

>>2357723
*Gilbert
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)19:38 UTC+1 No.2357727 Report

>>2357682
2/10
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Anonymous 07/07/14(Mon)19:40 UTC+1 No.2357729 Report

>>2357517
Check this thread
>>2355074
>>2355321
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Anonymous 07/08/14(Tue)13:49 UTC+1 No.2358355 Report

>>2357695
nigger what.

then there's all the Tamron and Smegma's.
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