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Best Prime for General Use? Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:17 UTC+1 No.2368240 Report

WHAT is the best PRIME lens for Everyday photography?

ie; what is the perfect non-zoom lens if you can only use one lens on an APS-C sensor DSLR?
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Hafenmeister 07/21/14(Mon)12:18 UTC+1 No.2368241 Report

>>2368240
WHAT is the best CAR for Everyday driving?

ie; what is the perfect non-jeep car if you can only use one car with a drivers license?
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K 07/21/14(Mon)12:22 UTC+1 No.2368244 Report

>>2368241
The cheapest to maintain that fits all my gear in it.
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Hafenmeister 07/21/14(Mon)12:24 UTC+1 No.2368245 Report

>>2368244
>you specified your need
That's not how this works, brah.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:35 UTC+1 No.2368251 Report

>>2368240
smegma 18-35/1.8, its three fuggin primes in one brah
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:39 UTC+1 No.2368253 Report

'general use' changes per person really. I'd say a 50mm 1.8 just because it's a nice focal length with good subject isolation at 1.8 and is very sharp at f/4 etc, but I know that, at some point, I'd want the FOV of a 18mm, or the flexibility of a 75 - 300

tl;dr: there is no general focal length
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)13:03 UTC+1 No.2368270 Report

For me it's Sigma 35mm 1.4 on full frame, Fujinon 23mm f/2 on APS-C (namely an X100) and Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 on my m43 camera.

3 lenses, pretty much similar focal length and I'm still not tired of the results :)
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)13:04 UTC+1 No.2368271 Report

>>2368251
technically it would be infinity primes
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)13:56 UTC+1 No.2368297 Report

How about this little monkey?

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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)14:33 UTC+1 No.2368328 Report

>>2368240
Sigma 30 f/1.4
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)14:35 UTC+1 No.2368331 Report

>>2368240
After using my 18-55 kit for some time I want to upgrade to a prime as 80% of my shots are either 18mm or around 35mm on crop. But before I buy one I wanted to hear some experiences from /p/.
>Did you regret buying a prime lens and used your zoom more?
>Is the quality of the pictures taht much better?
>How much easier do apertures like f1.8 or f2.4 really make it when you are accustomed to f3.5+?
>Did it make you a better photographer?
I could get a 35mm DA L f2.4 Pentax lens for 140 bucks, but I don't know how useful 50mm would be. f1.8 on the 50mm is nicer, but it would be a telezoom so I guess I will have to save up 400 bucks for either the DA21 or DA15 or is there a cheaper Pentax lens for 28-35mm?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)14:36 UTC+1 No.2368332 Report

>>2368240

What if it's not on a DSLR?

>EF-M 22mm f/2
>how the fuck did Canon offer
>that iq
>that lens and front element size
>at that price
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)15:35 UTC+1 No.2368354 Report

>>2368331
>>Did you regret buying a prime lens and used your zoom more?
No, I rather like using a prime lens.
>>Is the quality of the pictures taht much better?
It's not a night and day difference. If you pixel-peep you can make things a bit sharper than you could with the kit lens, but modern kit lenses, especially Pentax's, have gotten quite good these days.
>>How much easier do apertures like f1.8 or f2.4 really make it when you are accustomed to f3.5+?
A lot easier, if you want to do something that a large aperture can help you with. e.g., low-light work (indoors without flash), subject isolation/dat bokeh. It's really pronounced at 55mm, where the kit lens is f/5.6 and most primes are f/2 or faster.
>>Did it make you a better photographer?
Not having zoom makes me think about my composition/framing a bit more. And of course you can always "zoom with your feet". So they can help, but really you make you a better photographer.
>I could get a 35mm DA L f2.4 Pentax lens for 140 bucks, but I don't know how useful 50mm would be. f1.8 on the 50mm is nicer, but it would be a telezoom so I guess I will have to save up 400 bucks for either the DA21 or DA15 or is there a cheaper Pentax lens for 28-35mm?
35mm is roughly "normal" on APS-C, so that's a good general-purpose focal length for all sorts of things. 50mm is a great focal length for portraits. The Limited primes are very nice, but if your budget doesn't go that far right now, and you aren't sure if you want primes or which one you want, you should try two things. One, take your kit zoom, set it to 35 or 50mm, and put a piece of tape on the zoom ring so it stays there. Go out and take pictures. See how it feels not being able to zoom. Two, pick up a manual-focus SMC-A 50mm f/2 or f/1.7, they're like $30. Like it? Save for nicer primes. Don't like it? You're not out much.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:17 UTC+1 No.2368405 Report

The Ricoh GR is a pretty excellent 28mm equiv, it's great as a casual walkaround lens. There's currently a deal on B&H where it comes in a kit with a free camera permanently glued on and a viewfinder, too.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:17 UTC+1 No.2368406 Report

>>2368240

EF 35mm f/1.4 is my everyday shooter.

Sometimes 24-70 f/2.8L II
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:21 UTC+1 No.2368408 Report

>>2368240
Zeiss 1700 f/4

Takes street pictures from the comfort of your own home so it's perfect for pretty much any type of shooting.
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Frose 07/21/14(Mon)17:24 UTC+1 No.2368410 Report

>>2368240
For FF, either Smegma 35 or 50 ƒ1.4 for borkeh/speed, or the Canon 35 ƒ2 IS for MAXIMUM VERSATILITY.
I wish I had chosen this one instead. IS can really save your ass in handheld/lowspeed.

For APS-C, I'd say sigma 30mm, or canon 28 2.8 IS.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:25 UTC+1 No.2368412 Report

>>2368332
canon knows how to sell cameras with new lens mounts
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Frose 07/21/14(Mon)17:26 UTC+1 No.2368413 Report

>>2368408
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:31 UTC+1 No.2368417 Report

>>2368413
wolfgang baus is a great name
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:57 UTC+1 No.2368429 Report

>>2368412
>implying you can have mirrorless with a dslr lens mount
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)17:58 UTC+1 No.2368430 Report

>>2368429
What is Pentax K-01?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)19:18 UTC+1 No.2368470 Report

>>2368417
LIKE A BAUS
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)19:46 UTC+1 No.2368486 Report

How big is the difference from f3.5 to f2.4 to f1.8?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)19:48 UTC+1 No.2368488 Report

>>2368354
I mainly use 18mm to 35mm as I said. Real 35mm would be perfect, but the money doesn't allow it otherwise I would get a DA15mm or DA21mm.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)19:58 UTC+1 No.2368494 Report

>>2368486
| <-----------------> |
around this big
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Bunny 07/21/14(Mon)20:01 UTC+1 No.2368497 Report

>>2368486
It's noticeable but not critical. It depends on what apertures most of your shots tend to be at. If you're pushing towards 3.5 on your kit lens a lot, you may want a 1.8 lens.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)20:28 UTC+1 No.2368525 Report

>>2368240
For me on a crop sensor I like 28mm the most, slightly wider than the normal 50mm equivalent.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:16 UTC+1 No.2368579 Report

I love 35mm on full frame.... so about 24mm on crop
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:22 UTC+1 No.2368586 Report

>>2368430

Kind of bulky.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:41 UTC+1 No.2368595 Report

>>2368525

This. 28mm master-race.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:48 UTC+1 No.2368605 Report

Probably a 28mm. Get one thats tack sharp from wide open.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:49 UTC+1 No.2368607 Report

What do you find more useful? 35mm or 50mm?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:50 UTC+1 No.2368608 Report

>>2368607
On what sized sensor? 35mm either way I guess.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:52 UTC+1 No.2368612 Report

>>2368608

Talking equivalents here.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:52 UTC+1 No.2368613 Report

>>2368608
Crop I mean
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)21:55 UTC+1 No.2368615 Report

>>2368613
Well a 50mm on crop is only going to be good for portrait work and cowardly street. Not good for a walk-around at all. Even a 35mm is tight for a lot of people (56mm FF equivalent) but if it's the only lens you've got, you'll want to stick with the 35. The Sigma 30mm is nice (and fast) though, so look into that.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:10 UTC+1 No.2368688 Report

>>2368271
technically you're a gay
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:15 UTC+1 No.2368690 Report

>>2368297

>Focusing on the good and not the glass

Why do product photogs do this?
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:18 UTC+1 No.2368693 Report

>>2368690

hood*
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:19 UTC+1 No.2368694 Report

>>2368241
honda civic
next
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:23 UTC+1 No.2368697 Report

>>2368690
based on the composition and depth of field and lack of bright "CANON" logo visible, i'd guess it was taken by just a so-so product photographer.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)00:38 UTC+1 No.2368756 Report

>>2368525
I'm on FF now, but I agree, 28mm is fucking aces on crop.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)00:50 UTC+1 No.2368772 Report

>>2368690
autofocus fail
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:06 UTC+1 No.2368862 Report

sigma's 30mm f1.4 for canon/nikon i think is the best for everyday photography
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:07 UTC+1 No.2368863 Report

>>2368862
Edit: on an aps-c censor

any 50mm f1.4 for a full frame
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:44 UTC+1 No.2368912 Report

>>2368331
I'm still a bit of a novice so take my experience with a grain of salt.

>Did you regret buying a prime lens and used your zoom more?

No, I love my prime. I shoot with an Olympus OMD EM-5 and have the 12-50mm kit lens and the 25mm f1.4 Panasonic/Leica prime. Needless to say, the prime is gorgeous. About 90% of my shots are with it.

>Is the quality of the pictures taht much better?
I don't have a zoom of similar quality to the prime so can't really make a fair comparison.

Can't really answer the rest because of my newness.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:58 UTC+1 No.2368928 Report

>>2368331
The parroting about primes being sharper than zooms is not always entirely true.

I own a 24 2.8D lens as well as an 18-105 zoom lens. When I focus to infinity on the D lens, it never comes out as sharp as my 18-105 @ 24mm. It's actually noticeably softer. It could be user error (although for some reason I doubt it) or it could be because the 24 was designed in the film days (I've used it on an F100 and made 11x14 inch darkroom prints and they come out just fine so...)

But yeah, a higher end zoom lens like a Canikon 24-70 is going to be "tack sharp", save for the widest or longest possible focal length options, usually. At the end of the day, it depends on your needs. Not having a zoom lens forces you to be creative and can often turn out stronger compositions with more thought put into them. This isn't me just parroting shit by the way, I say it from experience. The vast majority of my strongest images tend to come from around 24, 28, or 50mm equivalent focal lengths - on DX and 35mm film Nikons.

On the other hand, if you're doing paid work and you need instant versatility, a fixed f/2.8 "pro" zoom lens is more likely to suit you.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)09:20 UTC+1 No.2369051 Report

>>2368488
Why not buy the Smegma 18-35? It pretty much contains 4 primes in one lens, and it's available for Pentax now. Unless that's out of your budget.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)14:44 UTC+1 No.2369143 Report

>>2369051
Much too expensive. I don't doit for a living and I am a student. My budget is 200 at the very best.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)15:31 UTC+1 No.2369167 Report

>>2368928
that's because you're focussing at infinity you tard.

god I hope this is bait
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:11 UTC+1 No.2369400 Report

>>2369143
KEH has 28mm f/2.8 SMC-As for under a hundred bucks. Those are manual focus though. You can get the price down another $20-$40 if you're willing to get an old SMC-M or SMC-K manual-everything lens. My personal experience with old Pentax glass is that it's quite sharp and distortion free but sometimes prone to CA.

But really if you want a proper upgrade to the kit lens, as opposed to just a prime to fool around and be creative with, you should save your money, modern limited primes or that Sigma 18-35 will serve you better.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:17 UTC+1 No.2369403 Report

>>2368928
>Not having a zoom lens forces you to be creative and can often turn out stronger compositions with more thought put into them.

That is such bullshit.

Using primes limits your options, so LESS thought goes into the picture and you frame just for the subject instead of the entire scene (ie: relationship between subject and background).
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:20 UTC+1 No.2369406 Report

>>2369400
The 28mm 2.8 M is not one of Pentax betters, it was a "budget" lens back in the day. It's OK stopped down but still soft in the corners (on FF). Might be OK on a DSLR?

I've not used the 3.5 version myself, but from what I've read it supposedly has nicer bokeh than the 2.8 version.

The 2.0 M/A is slightly sharper and has better contrast than the 2.8, but it is more rare than the ubiquitous A version and probably goes above the OPs budget.

The 2.0 K is a Zeiss design, totally different from the other 28's (you recognize it because it's twice the size of the others). It's easily the best 28mm Pentax prime, but weighs twice as much as the others and costs $$$, if you can find someone willing to part with one.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:22 UTC+1 No.2369408 Report

>>2369406
Forgot to mention that the 2.0 M/A while otherwise decent, suffers from an ugly bokeh, so if that's important to you, stay away.
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giannis 07/22/14(Tue)22:25 UTC+1 No.2369410 Report

>>2369051
>4 primes in one lens
No, it's 4 primes in one lens the size of 4 primes.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:43 UTC+1 No.2369425 Report

>That feel when FF so no Sigma 1.8 zoom
>Saving up for a 50mm prime though so sigma soon
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)23:10 UTC+1 No.2369443 Report

>>2369425
I'm hoping Sigma will make a 24-70 or 24-50 f/2.8 Art based on their 18-35 design.
Might be better than the Canon.

Meanwhile the Tamron 24-70 is just as good as the Sigma 18-35, plus it has image stabilization.
50mm on full frame is boring and too tight for indoors.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)23:13 UTC+1 No.2369444 Report

>>2369425
In general, full frame sensors have better noise performance, and more dramatic depth of field separation, so effectively. a 1.8 zoom on crop is a 2.8 zoom on full frame. Though I've heard rumors that they're working on an f/2 full frame zoom.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)23:21 UTC+1 No.2369448 Report

>>2369443
Oh well I have the tamron 24-70 2.8 IS already
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)18:53 UTC+1 No.2370593 Report

>>2369143

Just get the Pentax 35 2.4. It's a fine lens. Alternatively, save up an extra hundred and get a used Sigma 30 1.4.
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NK88 07/24/14(Thu)23:44 UTC+1 No.2370769 Report

I really love the Canon's 85 f/1.8 USM
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)00:41 UTC+1 No.2370824 Report

>MFW I just got a 24mm ƒ/2.8 for my D700

I love my 50mm ƒ/1.8, but goddamn this thing is fun. I think if I HAD to choose, it would still be the 50.

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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)01:15 UTC+1 No.2370859 Report

>>2369410
I never said it was small you fuggin autist
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)01:32 UTC+1 No.2370871 Report

40mm 2.8 pancake
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)01:43 UTC+1 No.2370875 Report

>>2368332
honestly that lens is worth buying the camera for.
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