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Trim 07/11/14(Fri)20:46 UTC+1 No.2361311 Report

Damn it Joe, this is probably your fault.

http://petapixel.com/2014/07/11/stories-like-urbex-photogs-secretive-shoot/

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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:04 UTC+1 No.2361319 Report

>>2361311
oh fuk.

I never share my locs with anyone but trusted explorers.

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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:18 UTC+1 No.2361330 Report

How does one find cool places like these?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:20 UTC+1 No.2361332 Report

>>2361319
Goddamn that is a cool location.
How do you hear about a place like this, online at uer or similar or from a friend?
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)21:20 UTC+1 No.2361333 Report

>>2361330
>google's urbex
>hrm, "urban explorer"
>I wonder if it might have to do with exploring?
>nah
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Anonymous 07/11/14(Fri)22:01 UTC+1 No.2361351 Report

>>2361332
1 : Know the area you live in. I happen to live in an area that used to have lots or iron ore mines
2 : Research the locations of these places you are interested in
3 : Find their location, or approximate location.
4 : Look for photos.
5 : Go find it.

Finding the iron ore mine in >>2361319
took hours of research on flickr, google, HAER, and actually going for a hike... A long hike. Then digging. And many flashlights.

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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)14:04 UTC+1 No.2362204 Report

There's nothing I hate more than pieces of shit shit who cancer up abandoned locations with graffiti or destroy things.

I admit to having taken items from locations before. Like old tools, which I restore and use.
But when someone destroys instead of appreciating nice things it really treads on my jamsies.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)14:12 UTC+1 No.2362208 Report

>>2362204
>pot, kettle, etc.

Honestly dude, you are absolutely no better. You're still trespassing and stealing. That you "appreciate" the items more does not make you any less morally bankrupt.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)15:19 UTC+1 No.2362240 Report

>>2362204
>I admit to having taken items from locations before.
You fucking faggot. You're exactly the kind of shit we hate.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)15:35 UTC+1 No.2362250 Report

>>2362240
The only thing I've -ever- taken from an abandonment is a metal pin that had the name of the location on it, from when it was operating. There was a box full of hundreds of them.
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Hafenmeister 07/13/14(Sun)17:06 UTC+1 No.2362284 Report

>>2362250
Just because there's a box with hundreds of them does not mean you can take one.
Think about it, if everyone had your mindset that damn box would be empty pretty soon.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:09 UTC+1 No.2362287 Report

>>2362284
Who cares, it's abandoned.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:29 UTC+1 No.2362304 Report

>>2362208
>>2362208
>You're still trespassing
So are you you fucking cunt.

>muh morals.
I do not give a single fuck what you think, but you're a fucking idiot if you believe I'm anywhere as bad as the festering twat cheeses who destroy shit for no reason and draw nigger scribbles on walls.

I take shit because I don't want to see it rust away to nothing when I know I could make good use of it. If you'd rather see them rot then fuck you.
I don't strip locations for copper. I don't pry nameplates of machinery or take "souvenirs", and I definitely don't destroy anything.

Anything I take gets cleaned up/restored and used. I've only taken hand tools.
Planes, chisels, a pick, files, rasps, shovels, a beefsplitter, hammers, saws and shit like that.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:29 UTC+1 No.2362305 Report

>>2362284
Good thing not many people know about that location.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:45 UTC+1 No.2362315 Report

>>2362304
>>You're still trespassing
>So are you you fucking cunt.
>implying I even do urbex
I think it's pointless and somewhat asinine. I just joined in the conversation to call you out for your hypocrisy.
>whaaa
No matter what you take and do with it you're still a punk thief.

It doesn't become ok to rape women just because there are people out there who murder them.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:48 UTC+1 No.2362318 Report

>>2362304
>>2362315
guise its ok for me to kidnap little girls, cause i like to put them to use and otherwise they'd serve no purpose and theyd die without being used and/or be killed by other people who dont appreciate their value :'(
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)17:58 UTC+1 No.2362330 Report

>MUH MORAL RELATIVISM

Having been to some abandoned places, and documented them, I don't really have a problem with the guy taking and refurbishing some old tools. That's a lot different than stealing historical artifacts and such.

Not everything is black and white. No one owns those old tools anymore. Even if someone owns the property. Destroying the building to get copper is a different thing entirely, etc.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:00 UTC+1 No.2362333 Report

>>2362330
>Not everything is black and white.
Yes it is.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:01 UTC+1 No.2362337 Report

>>2362333
Okay, sure thing buddy. Let us know when you get out into the real world.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:01 UTC+1 No.2362340 Report

>>2362330
>MUH MORAL RELATIVISM
I don't think you actually know what moral relativism actually means, especially since your entire post is literally an example moral relativism.

Also,
> No one owns those old tools anymore. Even if someone owns the property.
This is about the most idiotic thing you can possibly say about the subject.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:02 UTC+1 No.2362342 Report

>>2362337
You can't make me. :3
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:04 UTC+1 No.2362344 Report

>>2362340
I was pointing out the relativity of the debate retard.

Please tell me, who owns those tools? I mean, who actually knows they exist and/or would be interested in having/using them before the anon took them?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:08 UTC+1 No.2362349 Report

>>2362344
>I was pointing out the relativity of the debate retard.
There actually isn't any, retard. There was only one person claiming relativity until you chimed in.

>Please tell me, who owns those tools?
Wrong question. The right question is who doesn't own them. The answer to that question is not you.
>I mean, who actually knows they exist
irrelevant
>and/or would be interested in having/using them before the anon took them?
irrelevant
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:11 UTC+1 No.2362350 Report

>>2362349
You're a fucking retard.
By that logic, anything that is abandoned ever should not be touched JUST IN CASE someone comes around 100 years later and says it (was) theirs.

Are you literally autistic? If you see a 20 dollar bill floating in the wind, flying high up in the sky, and you follow it for a block or two and it falls down right in front of you, do you pick it up? No one is chasing it, no one is around. You wait 10 minutes even. What do you do, leave it? Take it to your local police station?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:14 UTC+1 No.2362351 Report

>>2362350
>You're a fucking retard.
Nope.
>By that logic, anything that is abandoned ever should not be touched JUST IN CASE someone comes around 100 years later and says it (was) theirs.
That does not follow from anything I said.
>Are you literally autistic? If you see a 20 dollar bill floating in the wind, flying high up in the sky, and you follow it for a block or two and it falls down right in front of you, do you pick it up? No one is chasing it, no one is around. You wait 10 minutes even. What do you do, leave it? Take it to your local police station?
Again, irrelevant. You have issues keeping on topic, don't you?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:16 UTC+1 No.2362354 Report

>>2362351
Okay, if you aren't actually going to challenge my arguments/points and just state >HUEHUE IRRELEVANT then fuck off, I win.

You haven't made any point except YOU'RE STEALING FAGGOT. That's not how the real world works. Crime has to have a victim. It's not stealing.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:20 UTC+1 No.2362357 Report

>>2362354
>Okay, if you aren't actually going to challenge my arguments/points and just state >HUEHUE IRRELEVANT then fuck off, I win.
Maybe if you actually made a relevant point, I might retort.
>You haven't made any point except YOU'RE STEALING FAGGOT. That's not how the real world works. Crime has to have a victim. It's not stealing.
I'm sure the courts would gladly entertain your enlightened views on the matter, no matter how specious and ignorant they are, much like how hollow anointing yourself as winner of an internet argument on an anonymous image board.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:24 UTC+1 No.2362361 Report
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>>2361311Joe here. This...
>>2361311

Joe here.

This is the thing with sensitive items and places that are "out there", there's always someone who will steal what's not nailed down (or in this case, circ saw out a logo from a Sno-Cat.)

The logo itself would have been worth a few thousand euro coins and most likely stolen to order by a collector.

I visited these trucks quite a while before the theft happened and only shared their whereabouts with a close German friend of mine who didn't actually end up travelling to see them.

Truthfully, I was given the location of them by a friend of mine and just had to see those madafaggas.

Here's one of my photos.

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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:25 UTC+1 No.2362363 Report
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>>2362361+ A photo of...
>>2362361

+ A photo of the logo that was stolen

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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:30 UTC+1 No.2362364 Report

>>2362357
>still not actually addressing the issues
fuck off
>courts
like I said, no victim, no crime.
1/10 troll made me respond.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:34 UTC+1 No.2362366 Report

>>2362364
>>still not actually addressing the issues
What issues have you brought up?
>fuck off
Nah, I'm still amused.
>>courts
>like I said, no victim, no crime.
>1/10 troll made me respond.
You truly have no clue what you're talking about. This isn't me just fucking with you here: you are 100% wrong in the assumption that there is "no victim" and the assumption that a victim must explicitly exist for there to be a crime.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:43 UTC+1 No.2362374 Report

>>2362366
Please tell me explicitly who would bring up charges, who would be prosecuting you, and what the charges would be.

You would more likely get booked for trespassing.

You haven't addressed ANYTHING
Here's your responses:
>This is ... idiotic
>Wrong question
>Irrelevant
>Nope
>Ignorant
None of these are an actual counterpoint. You haven't argued any points.

Here's the simple facts:
No one owns a tool that has been abandoned for years/decades
No one cares about it
Assuming the building is abandoned, no one owns it or cares about it and it's likely be torned down
The tools in question are not historically relevant

There are a ton of bad things that I do not condone - graffiti, stripping copper, taking historical artifacts, etc. These things either permanently damage the location, or cause loss of the artifacts if they are relevant. An abandoned hammer is not the same thing, nor is it relevant.

Personally, I still wouldn't take it, because I don't need/care about it. But if the anon is using them and fixing them up, that's great. Where do you think all those old tools come from at junk stores? From old abandoned workshops or junkyards, etc. If that hammer is sitting there when the building is torn down, eventually, it's just going to the dump, whereas the copper will be recycled/sold, any artifacts will be kept by a local historical society possibly, etc.

Unless you have a counterargument, I'm not responding any more. It could be an interesting debate if you weren't being autistic.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:52 UTC+1 No.2362381 Report

>>2362374
>Please tell me explicitly who would bring up charges, who would be prosecuting you, and what the charges would be.
The government. Criminal court is not like civil court. There does not have to be a private citizen/entity on the other side. The prosecution can move forward without any single legal entity pressing charges or even against the aggrieved party's wishes to drop charges.

>you haven't argued any of my points
Because your points have literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.

>Here's the simple facts:
>No one owns a tool that has been abandoned for years/decades
Untrue.
>No one cares about it
Unprovable.
>Assuming the building is abandoned,
Ok...let's see where you're going...
>no one owns it
Not necessarily the case
>or cares about it
Not necessarily the case
>and it's likely be torned down
Not necessarily the case
>The tools in question are not historically relevant
Ah, so you're now a qualified historian who can make such informed decisions? Additionally, this is an opinion, not a fact.

>more attempting to make yourself feel good about yourself for being a rapist and not a murderer
>still more
>YOU"RE NOT ARGUING (even though I haven't bothered proving the points you made far earlier wrong)

Again, popping back to being far more serious: you really have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the law. Take a break and do some reading.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)18:55 UTC+1 No.2362383 Report

>>2362374
Oh and for specific charges -- depends on far too many variables (what was taken, jurisdiction, what you did to get there, etc.)

Low value stuff mightn't get a blink from an officer, but like how you mention planes earlier (at least I think you did and I can't be assed to scroll back up), many antique planes can easily go for over a grand, so even stuff like grand theft isn't off the table.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:01 UTC+1 No.2362385 Report

>>2362381
>The government.
Correct, and they are not going to indict someone for stealing a $5 hammer
>Because your points have literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.
WUT? What is the "topic at hand" then faggot?
>No one owns a tool that has been abandoned for years/decades
>Untrue.
Then WHO owns it?
>Unprovable.
So?
>no one owns it / cares about it / torn down
>Not necessarily the case
True but the point here is there is likely no one who even knows that hammer exists. If it was valuable then fine, you've got a point. And yes, old abandoned places often get torn down or renovated.
>The tools in question are not historically relevant
>Ah, so you're now a qualified historian who can make such informed decisions?
Yes. We aren't talking about ancient tools that are historically relevant, what the fuck do you think we are talking about?
>rape, murder
THIS is the only irrelevant / strawman argument in this thread.
>Law
>implying I have to be a qualified lawyer/judge to understand that no one would ever get prosecuted for taking an old hammer
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:02 UTC+1 No.2362386 Report

>>2362383
First of all let's be clear, I'm not the original poster about the tools.
Yes, antique planes can go for high prices (my grandfather collects them) but firstly, likely no police officer would know a $1 plane from a $1k plane. Second, the condition would likely hurt the value by a lot.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:20 UTC+1 No.2362394 Report

>>2362385
They might well indict someone for stealing a $5 hammer.

What you're missing that irrespective of value it is still against the law. Let's put it in a different context:
It's an election year and a lot of bad things are going down on abandoned properties (dead hookers showing up, drug deals, gang shootouts, raves, whatever). The mayor and the DA are both looking to show how tough on crime they are and to send the message to people to stay the hell away from abandoned properties. They instruct the police chief to increase patrols and layer on any and every charge they can on *anyone* they catch on said properties.

As to your whole "who owns it" -- there almost always is a party that is still the owner of the property. There are few places where laws exist that say if you own something you have to continually use it, and for those places there's often an abandoned building fee or something similar that's paid to the local government by the owners. If no one can figure out who owns it, the government generally steps in and acts as the owner through legal mechanisms like eminent domain or at least exercising their rights of locus standi to enforce laws (allowing b&e on a nominally abandoned building creates a bad precedent for prosecuting b&e on an occupied building, this is especially true on buildings that are only currently disused and not fully "abandoned" in the normal sense of the word).

In all of this, basically all that matters is that you don't own the items in question and you know you don't own the items in question (thus satisfying mens rea (which is still satisfied by you taking the stance of "it doesn't belong to anyone" in that you belong to the group "anyone"). This puts you on the wrong side of the law. Whether or not you're caught or if caught prosecuted is entirely irrelevant to this as well. Illegal is still illegal.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:25 UTC+1 No.2362399 Report

>>2362394
So can assume you NEVER drive over the speed limit?
Do you EVER do anything that is "technically" illegal?

So you've shown a very specific and likely stupid scenario where one might get booked. Notwithstanding the far greater likelihood of getting booked for trespassing.

Yes, there is a party that owns the property (or the gov't). In your fantasy world, someone could figure out who owns it and offer a small bit of money to buy some abandoned shit on the premise. Too bad it's not that simple.

Like I said a long, long time ago, the world is not black and white. Anyone who thinks that is either 14 or just completely stupid and/or autistic. Which is it for you?

What a fag. I don't know why I wasted time with you. I'm going to go doing something actually worth my time.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:36 UTC+1 No.2362407 Report

>>2362399
>So can assume you NEVER drive over the speed limit?
I never claimed to perfectly follow the law. Just that I don't dick about trying to lie to myself and others that the illegal things I do are legal in some assbackwards kind of way.
>Do you EVER do anything that is "technically" illegal?
You know, throwing the word technically in scare quotes and in front of illegal doesn't change the fact that the law is mostly black and white with what is and is not legal.
>So you've shown a very specific and likely stupid scenario where one might get booked. Notwithstanding the far greater likelihood of getting booked for trespassing.
That's neither specific nor stupid. That sort of thing happens rather frequently in larger cities.
>Yes, there is a party that owns the property (or the gov't).
Why acknowledge now that it has an owner when you've spent this entire thread claiming it doesn't have one?
>In your fantasy world, someone could figure out who owns it and offer a small bit of money to buy some abandoned shit on the premise.
Actually that exact sort of thing happens quite often.
>Too bad it's not that simple.
Generally it actually is. Whether they agree to it or not is another thing entirely.
>Like I said a long, long time ago, the world is not black and white.
Certain aspects of it are. Murder is illegal (kind of baked into the word). There are no conditions under which murder is legal. Now, the fact that any given killing might or might not be a murder is a different thing altogether.
>Anyone who thinks that is either 14 or just completely stupid and/or autistic. Which is it for you?
False dichotomy. There are also people who understand that the law as written is necessarily different from the law as is enforced--kind of the same difference between de jure and de facto, but that does not change the laws as written.
>What a fag...worth my time.
Welp, despite my efforts, you damn sure didn't bother learning anything. Stay ignorant.
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:47 UTC+1 No.2362415 Report

>>2362349
>The right question is who doesn't own them. The answer to that question is not you.
>Who doesn't
>Not you
>doesn't not

So he owns them?
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Anonymous 07/13/14(Sun)19:50 UTC+1 No.2362418 Report

>>2362415
whoops, sorry about that double negative
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)14:01 UTC+1 No.2362908 Report

Urban Exploring has no rules, people always bang on about that "take only photos, leave only footprints" mantra but anyone who does it makes of it what they want.

People go and steal shit, burn places and fuck things up for everyone else and it boils my piss.

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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)14:39 UTC+1 No.2362925 Report

>>2362407
Stealing a ladies purse on the street is not the same as taking something irrelevant from an abandoned place.

Most stuff lying around at abandoned places is trash. If it was valuable or the owner wanted it, it would have been taken when the property was vacated. Taking a small hand tool or something is no different than dumpster diving.
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Anonymous 07/14/14(Mon)14:40 UTC+1 No.2362926 Report

yet another thread ruined by photographers
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Anonymous 07/15/14(Tue)04:44 UTC+1 No.2363508 Report

What the fuck happened in this thread?
If a place seems abandoned it's going to get fucked up eventually. If you want to leave it how you found it then do that. If you want to fuck shit up go right ahead. If you find an image interesting photograph it. If you wish it looked like something else then shoop what you want or even paint it.
It really is that simple. Getting pissed of won't help so just search for the places in the state of abandonment that you like.

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