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EDH Advices/Rate
EDH Advices/Rate Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)02:15 UTC+1 No.32947175 Report

I'd like to have some suggestions for my EDH:

My mana base is screwed, the deck is a mess, Still it can win with some nice combos.

EDH General i guess?
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:07 UTC+1 No.32947969 Report

Run the cycle of shocks, checklands and scrylands. You'll need them all, along with basics. Up the land count to 40 or so and get rid of those lands that tap for 3 colours and ETB tapped and cycle lands.

Run every form of ramp possible, farseek, sakura-tribe elder, explosive vegetation, skyshroud claim, sad bot, chromatic lantern, coalition relic.

Get some better creatures, things like bladewing the risen cost too restrictively and have better replacements.

There's cheaper clone effects out there and better removal and better reanimator.
Clone I'd recommend;
>copy artifact
>phyrexian metamorph
>progenitor mimic

>dance of the dead
>animate dead
>dread return

There's tons of spells that have triple mana costs in the deck, that's too restrictive, things like esper charm or kaalia dont work here because then you're making it so that turn 4 and 5 you need 5 different colours, aim for the opposite.

Also upgrade a few wraths, things like decree of pain give absurd card advantage, fated retribution can be played at the end of their turn for better value on yours.

Dont be afraid to run counter spells, Hinder, Spell crumple, memory lapse, arcane denial and swan song are great for what they do
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:17 UTC+1 No.32948128 Report

The only use i have for bladewing is putting it in the graveyard.
Like, with jarad orders or demonic collusion or stacking Ur-Dragon effect (my best was: demonic collusion, discarding karrthus and bladewing to tutor victimize, cast victimize sacrificing solemn simulacrum to reanimate bladewing and utvara hellkite, bladewing reanimates karrthus)
but still,yeah, i find it slow and clunky.
Thanks for the tips by the way, sadly i'm on a tight budget and i'm stuck with those lands... (i miss 2 shockland and all the scry lands sadly)
I will try to put back basics maybe.
CycloneMetal 06/23/14(Mon)03:21 UTC+1 No.32948181 Report


This is still a work in progress, kind of a slow burner but once it's firing on all cylinders it's pretty good.

Thinking about replacing Unbreathing Horde with Soulless One though.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:22 UTC+1 No.32948193 Report

This picture is a bit dated and some changes have been made since, but I've been having a blast playing with this list.

Capsize is fucking amazing.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:32 UTC+1 No.32948358 Report


I'm working on a version like this. Yes, there are better mono black commanders out there. Yes, I'll probably get rekt. I don't care, motha fucking Ishan Shade.
CycloneMetal 06/23/14(Mon)03:36 UTC+1 No.32948426 Report

nothing wrong with going simple.

Shit, I wish Kamahl, Pit Fighter would get more love.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:40 UTC+1 No.32948488 Report

Right on! At least Ishan is 5/5 with protection from White. He may not be amazing, but he's at least better than some of the vanilla Legends I guess. I just always thought the artwork and character looked boss as shit.

I've never seen a Kamahl. Someone I know did have a Zuberi golden feather griffin deck.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:43 UTC+1 No.32948528 Report

This is arguably worse than posting decklists in-thread.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)03:44 UTC+1 No.32948558 Report

It's easier to scroll through.
CycloneMetal 06/23/14(Mon)03:55 UTC+1 No.32948721 Report

hell yeah, bro. I'd recommend something like Halo Hunter or another ETB Angel Killer, just to be on the safe side. I'm running one in my deck, saved my ass countless times.

also, try a ramp artifact like Caged Sun. more mana for more Shade triggers.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:00 UTC+1 No.32948794 Report

>Have 2 Blue Eyeses on the field
>Summon Ur
>Mill BEWD
>Fuse BEUD
>Dragon's Mirror BEUD
>Fuse both BEUDs to create Blue Eyes Ultimate Great Dragon
>Banish BEUGD to special summon Blue Eyes Perfectly Ultimate Great Dragon for as long as all your dragons remain banished

totally balanced
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:03 UTC+1 No.32948867 Report

Thats what I love about Commander. All the funky stuff people come up with and themes. Personally I smile whenever I see or hear someone talk about an Atogatog Commander deck.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:05 UTC+1 No.32948914 Report

which one of the 2013 EDH decks should I buy thursday? My shop has all 5. The Esper commander looks cool. i only play standard
CycloneMetal 06/23/14(Mon)04:07 UTC+1 No.32948941 Report


the Esper one is really fucking good.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:07 UTC+1 No.32948946 Report

Playing or value?
Grixis has the most value, followed by either jund or esper.
Play? I think jund is the strongest out of the box
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:08 UTC+1 No.32948964 Report

>3-color EDH with a manabase that still manages to have a little less than half of it be basics
Can I have your autograph or something?
Those artifact lands are a bit iffy, though. I know they combo with Trinket Mage, but replacing them with basics and tossing in a Sensei's Top or other 1-drop manafixer might work better.
Also Command Tower.
CycloneMetal 06/23/14(Mon)04:09 UTC+1 No.32948991 Report


I'd play the living fuck outta that.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:12 UTC+1 No.32949051 Report

I'd love to hear some opinions on my Ashling deck

Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:17 UTC+1 No.32949134 Report

It looks mono red. It has land destruction and many wraths.
>7.362/10, would play against
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:19 UTC+1 No.32949159 Report

i'm going to play it, I have lands to add to any of them though.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:21 UTC+1 No.32949209 Report

the bant and jund require only slight upgrades to see some extremely powerful games. Personally I'd go for bant only if your playgroup runs high power commander games
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:28 UTC+1 No.32949326 Report

Radha, heir to keld hyperaggro, tips suggestions? I know i should pick up sword of Ice and fire and sword of light and shadow though.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:29 UTC+1 No.32949363 Report

Jund needs:
Paralell lives
Doubling season (Optional)
Food chain (NOT OPTIONAL)
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:31 UTC+1 No.32949390 Report

I'm too poor to afford good manabases. And Sensei's is too expensive as well, as you astutely pointed out, the artifact lands are there so I can get something with Trinket Mage if I already have my Sol Ring. I couldn't think of any other artifact 1-drop I needed to put in.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:31 UTC+1 No.32949395 Report

Oh. And blood artist/champion of lambholt, but those are cheap
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:32 UTC+1 No.32949407 Report

I actually run Radha aggro in French. I guess it's a bit different cuz my curve stops at 4, but whatever. I actually decided to focus on her combat-mana instead of ramping, fun as fuck. On that note, I really don't know how usefull my advice would be.

I'll post it tomorrow
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:33 UTC+1 No.32949427 Report

It's actually relatively non-greedy compared to most 3-colors I know.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:37 UTC+1 No.32949512 Report

No one plays french around me, but the deck is french legal.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:49 UTC+1 No.32949749 Report

This is an older version of my scion. I really recommend spellbound dragon, can kill someone in one shot depending what you have in hand when using scions ability.

Creatures: 25
Elvish Piper
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Birds of Paradise
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Bogardan Hellkite
Two-Headed Dragon
Hellkite Charger
Ryusei, the falling Star
Ancient Hellkite
Dragon Tyrant
Dragon Broodmother
Niv-Mizzets, the Firemind
Hellkite Overlord
Oros, The Avenger
Bladewing the Risen
Intet, the dreamer
Vorosh, the Hunter
Rith, the Awakener
Broodmate Dragon
Keiga, the Tide Star
Spellbound Dragon
Yosei, the Morning Star
Nicol Bolas
Treva, the Renewer

Sorcery: 12
Austere command
Reap and Sow
Search for Tomorrow
Rampant Growth
Tempt with Discovery
Time Reversal
Day of judgement
Wraith of God
Beseech the Queen

Artifacts: 9
Loxodon Warhammer
Sword of Vengeance
Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang
Quicksilver Amulet
Temple Bell
Sol Ring
Nevinyrral's Disk
Thran Dynamo

Enchantments: 5
Leyline of Anticipation
Rites of Flourishing
Prismatic Omen
Fires of Yavimaya
Crucible of Fire

Planeswalker: 6
Sarkhan Vol
Jace Beleren
Nicol Bolos
Ajani Goldmane
Liliana Vess
Elspeth, knight Errant

Lands: 42
Marsh Flats
Rootbound Crag
Sunpetal Grove
Dragonskull Sumit
Glacial Fortress
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
Wooded Foothills
Flooded Strand
Windswept hearth
Drowned Catacombs
Ancient ziggurat

Bitch because I'm not using tappedout or any of site list.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:52 UTC+1 No.32949784 Report

No but really it's obnoxious as hell.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:55 UTC+1 No.32949860 Report

It looks fun. Here's mine anyway, got off my ass and updated the list. Currently testing Keldon Megaliths and Contested War Zone. Still need to get a few things, like a Taiga, a Jitte, and Eidolon of the Great Revel. Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)04:58 UTC+1 No.32949913 Report

I know just haven't gotten around to making one.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)05:08 UTC+1 No.32950080 Report

Ah, good to know. I thought maybe the comment was criticizing it, because it runs a lot of taplands and even some cycling lands. If I had to cut anything though, it would be the Transguild Promenades and Rupture Spires, those things are so slow it hurts.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)05:18 UTC+1 No.32950294 Report

I do something similar with mine.
>Wild Defiance, Radha, grip full of pump spells including Fatal Frenzy
Feels so good.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)06:28 UTC+1 No.32951399 Report


I try to stay away from degenerate combos and unfair for my playgroup. Just not a fan of going infinite much either, sorry.

Suggestions at all? Or how much I fucked up?
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)08:32 UTC+1 No.32952794 Report

I want to a WBR humans/reanimator/aristocrats esque deck. Any advice? Is there a better color set for this?
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:24 UTC+1 No.32953969 Report

You have so little ramp that nobody should be able to complain if they can't keep up.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)12:11 UTC+1 No.32954294 Report

Thought about Endless Ranks of the Dead, Zombie Apocalypse, Life's Finale, Reanimate, or Animate Dead? All cheap options that are pretty on-flavor. Dread Return is an insane reanimator spell with Flashback, while Diabolic Servitude lets you keep reanimating creatures as others die, if you're okay with them getting exiled.

Tortured Existence is an amazing card, as is Phyrexian Reclamation. Both are pretty affordable.

Gravecrawler is also a pretty cool guy, and he
ETBs infinitely with Phyrexian Altar. In mono black, this goes all-kill with Blood Artist or Falkenrath Noble; in zombies, it does the same with Diregraf Captain.

Looks like you could also use a little more acceleration and card draw. Sol Ring seems like a must; also check out Worn Powerstone, Prismatic Talisman, Jet Medallion, and Mana Vault. Ashnod's Altar is a mana-producing sac outlet. Expedition Map finds your missing Tron piece. Altar of Shadows and Black Market benefit from creatures dying a lot. Ancient Craving, Read the Bones, Promise of Power, and even Sign in Blood are all solid draw options; Necropotence, one of the best cards ever printed, is floating around $5.

If you're okay with running non-zombie creatures, Pontiff of Blight is pretty solid in a deck that wants to stick a lot of creatures. Crypt Ghast is a great card for big mana in black; Nirkana Revenant has a similar effect but I believe is much more expensive, while Liliana of the Dark Realms pulls Swamps out of your deck and has an ult that wins games if it lands. Bubbling Muck can give you a lot of fuel for one big turn, and Skithryx the Blight Dragon just kills people really effectively. Your general also blows up everyone else if you land it with a Triskelion, but I'm assuming that's not the route you want to take.

There's also some cool cards in mono black that I never really see enough of: Temporal Extortion, Withering Boon, and Imp's Mischief.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)14:26 UTC+1 No.32955417 Report

One of the things I noticed for sure but sense this deck is for multiplayer I don't really mind. I should find two cards to cut and add in ramp.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)14:50 UTC+1 No.32955573 Report

New to EDH, how do I do Oloro properly?
Tutors kept to a minimum, this is a "fun" deck.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)14:50 UTC+1 No.32955576 Report

Like the other Anon said, artifact lands are reaaally not worth it just for Trinket Mage. Austere Command, Fracturing Gust, etc... you're even running Nev's Disk yourself! You could swap the Mage for a Civic Wayfinder if you just want the fixing, or put in a Chromatic Star if you want to make sure you can get value from TM when you already have your Sol Ring (assuming you don't own a Skullclamp).

Terramorphic Expanse and Command Tower?
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)15:41 UTC+1 No.32955974 Report

More creeps that run off of life total? Or something that works with you paying life to do things like draw cards.
I think that Blood Baron guy is missing from your deck.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:05 UTC+1 No.32956177 Report

What are some must-haves and wincons for pic related?
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:28 UTC+1 No.32956379 Report

>defence of the heart
>consecrated sphinx
>eternal witness
>Sakura-tribe elder
>progenitor mimic
>chaos warp
>maelstrom wanderer
>prophet of kruphix
>mystic snake
>Jace, the
>oracle of mul daya
>sad bot
>arcane denial, memory lapse, remand and swan song
>spell crumple hinder
>beast within
>krosan grip
>time stop
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:42 UTC+1 No.32956522 Report

A lot of those are just generic goodstuff. Counterspells in particular are mostly nonbos with Riku.
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:59 UTC+1 No.32956741 Report

Nothing wrong with good stuff, plus those counters either permanently deal with commanders or are for tempo to a combo kill or big fat idiot overload
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:11 UTC+1 No.32956903 Report

This is my Elf Deck.
Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Craterhoof Behemoth
Elvish Champion
Joraga Warcaller
Imperious Perfect
Yeva, Nature's Herald
Copperhorn Scout
Seedborn Muse
Nissa's Chosen
Immaculate Magistrate
Fauna Shaman
Elvish Harbinger
Regal Force
Elvish Visionary
Soul of the Harvest
Elvish Mystic
Arbor Elf
Solemn Simulacrum
Llanowar Elves
Viridian Emissary
Mul Daya Channelers
Joraga Treespeaker
Fyndhorn Elves
Elvish Archdruid
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Priest of Titania
Oracle of Mul Daya
Gyre Sage
Lotus Cobra
Viridian Zealot
Tajuru Preserver
Viridian Corrupter
Scavenging Ooze
Gaea's Herald
Silklash Spider
Garruk Wildspeaker
Nissa Revane
Garruk, Primal Hunter
Defense of the Heart
Leyline of Lifeforce
Beastmaster Ascension
Krosan Grip
Vorinclex, the Voice of Hunger
Green Sun’s Zenith
Primal Command
Elvish Promenade
Genesis Wave
Sword of the Paruns
Sword of Feast and Famine
Conjurer's Closet
Birthing Pod
Coat of Arms
Door of Destinies
Nevinyrral's Disk
Caged Sun
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Dryad Arbor
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
32 Forest
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:12 UTC+1 No.32956918 Report

My Riku runs towards the super casual end of the spectrum but Archaeomancer/Izzet Chronarch plus Riptide Lab/Venser Shaper Savant/Tidespout Tyrant/Progenitor Mimic/Conjurer's Closet can get you infinite turns with Time Warp, or just lock down with some counterspells/removal. Venser, Shaper Savant is really an all-star.

You want a solid ramp package: Oracle of Mul Daya, Kodama's Reach/Cultivate, Skyshroud Claim/Explosive Veg, Farhaven Elf, Solemn Simulacrum.

Riku can make spot removal actually worthwhile. Chaos Warp and Beast Within are always good. I run Pongify/Rapid Hybridization for fun, Turn//Burn and Snakeform are kinda janky but fun and unexpected ways to get rid of pesky indestructibles. Curse of the Swine is another great removal.

Blatant Thievery and Bribery usually win the game for me. Copied Sower of Temptation and Gilded Drake can get you out of sticky situations. I only run a handful of counters: Desertion, Hinder, Mystic Snake, Mystic Genesis, Voidslime. They're bad with Riku but always nice to have one, especially with recursion.
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