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Is there anyone here who...
Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)07:52 UTC+1 No.32952448 Report

Is there anyone here who actually like space wolves?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)07:58 UTC+1 No.32952504 Report

Yes, now go away.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)08:15 UTC+1 No.32952635 Report

>>32952448
Most people like Space Wolves, but don't play them. Myself included.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)08:16 UTC+1 No.32952655 Report

I like pre-heresy space wolves and space wolves before the 5th edition.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)08:27 UTC+1 No.32952744 Report

I didn't tell you this but...
Space Wolf hate is actually a test for internet bandwagon group-thinkers. If you can convince someone to hate something as awesome as space-viking-wearwolves they are clearly an impressionable idiot.
Think of it as being like a modern day TG version of The Emperor's New Clothes
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:26 UTC+1 No.32953222 Report

>>32952744
You tell yourself that. SW may have had a cool viking theme once and some badass fluff in older books, but right now they're just special snowflakes who don't bow to anybody in the IoM but their ego. And riding wolfes into battle. I mean, bikes are already stupid, but at least possibly useful in a bizarre world.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:27 UTC+1 No.32953232 Report

>>32952448
That sword urgently needs a smith.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:29 UTC+1 No.32953243 Report

>>32953222
>they're just special snowflakes who don't bow to anybody in the IoM but their ego.

Oh, so you mean exactly like any Space Marine chapter ever?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:31 UTC+1 No.32953253 Report

>>32952448
I like and played Space Wolves before turning to Fantasy.

I love viking and wolf themes and they combine both. In terms of game play when I started they had true grit and as a 13-14 year old kid I used to love letting all my W40k friends that my guys were better in combat then their guys (DA & IH).

I wasn't a fan of their wolf cavalry but I love their Sagas and their heroes.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:35 UTC+1 No.32953284 Report

>>32953243
True, to some extent. But most of them still respect authorities, bow down to Inquisition, work in teams and follow orders. Their leaders are not know for beheading Grand Masters of the Grey Knights with one swipe, aspire to let go wordly temptations like alcohol, also no other chapter has their special animal or their own source of psychic powers. See where I'm going?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:38 UTC+1 No.32953303 Report

>>32952744
Space wolves are overdone.

They're 40k's wolverine. Cool idea, some great stories, but trying way too hard most of the time.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:44 UTC+1 No.32953347 Report

They were good before they became Wolfy McWolfiston with his wolfsword and wolffist riding on his battlewolf Wolfy Jr while drinking wolfale and fucking wolfbitches.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:45 UTC+1 No.32953354 Report

>>32953243
No. There's thousands upon thousands of perfectly generic - or at least reasonable - spess muhreens. Chapters that get a lot of undue fellatio in the fluff still tend to fit within the setting's general theme. SWs read like someone's self-insert army that is too awesome for rules and bester than every other, like a Japanese teenager with a magic katana and modern liberal opinions in Medieval Europe.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:46 UTC+1 No.32953360 Report

>>32953284
I am willing to bet any Chapter that was fired upon by the Inquisition would fight back.

But you're right, not all of them would be capable of beheading a GK Grand Master with a single swipe. But few have a legendary leader like the SW do.

>Fanboy out
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:47 UTC+1 No.32953368 Report

>>32953347
>became

Holy shit, its dicks like you who just perpetuate this level of stupidity.
Space Wolves have always had a predominant Wolf theme.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:52 UTC+1 No.32953398 Report

>>32953368
I think he was commenting on the degree of theme relative to their naming / wargear.

But I agree with your over all point, there is a group of people in the 40k community that think that the latest edition is the SOLE source of information on them and assume they have always been so over-done.

Honestly I blame Long fangs. I've never liked nor used them, and a one point for at least 6 months anyone who even heard I played Wolves cried havoc at the imminent longfang spam cheese.

Seriously Fuck Long Fangs.

Grey Hunters have always been and will always be the only thing I spam.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:56 UTC+1 No.32953417 Report

>>32953398
Honestly, does anyone actually take Blood Claws over Grey Hunters?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)09:57 UTC+1 No.32953425 Report

>>32953354
>SWs read like someone's self-insert army that is too awesome for rules and bester than every other, like a Japanese teenager with a magic katana and modern liberal opinions in Medieval Europe.

And yet nobody seems to have a problem with the Sensei, who read exactly like this. Seriously, fuck the Sensei, and fuck everyone who likes them.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)10:01 UTC+1 No.32953444 Report

>>32952448
They're pretty cool.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)10:12 UTC+1 No.32953521 Report

Of course, no one likes those barbarians! They're good for nothing brawlers and braggarts, and would willingly throw themselves into the fray without thinking, just like their primarch!

I like my Space Wolves as rivals. I'm a Dark Angels fag, so their differences are fun. The fact that both codexes go on about how awesome they are, and that Space Wolves naturally brag and taunt, only makes the taunting more fun.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)10:47 UTC+1 No.32953764 Report

>>32953521
This guy gets it
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:19 UTC+1 No.32953935 Report

Space Wolves play marines like marines should be. Gunlines are for faggots, aggressive tactical squads are the truth and the way, only space wolves actually get to do that, ergo space wolves are the best marines.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:26 UTC+1 No.32953984 Report

>>32953284
>implying they don't use the exact same psychic powers as everybody else
>implying the whole "power of Fenris" thing isn't supposed to make us laugh a little
>implying we don't all know this
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:37 UTC+1 No.32954039 Report

>>32953398
>and assume they have always been so over-done
Space wolves have been marines+1 since all the way back in 2nd edition, man. They're Jervis' baby. And given how their book is always a step ahead of the standard marines with no meaningful downsides.. it's kinda easy to see why people might be a bit annoyed by it.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:37 UTC+1 No.32954040 Report

>>32953425
>>32953222

Here we have a perfect example of what I call "The /v/ mindset"

They took one bad book, whined and bitched and moaned about it and are forever trapped within the circle of hating a stereotype they themselves invented.

Space Wolves are fine, they just had a bad Dex.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:39 UTC+1 No.32954057 Report

>>32952448

I like how utterly different they are between their pre-heresy and post-heresy identities. The executioners of 30k and the heroes of humanity in 40k. You'd never catch the 30k Wolves doing the days of shame, for instance.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:39 UTC+1 No.32954058 Report

>>32953398
Actually, even before 5th edition, their wargear was pretty Wolfy Mc wolf.

I mean hell, Have you seen the names of some of their characters?

Logan Grimnar. Named after Wolverine and The Dorf god from warhams.

Ulrick the slayer. Means Wolf in Saxon.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)11:44 UTC+1 No.32954089 Report

>>32954057
I really like the heroes of Humanity angle.

To me Space Wolves, along with the salamanders, are my most liked chapters due to how "Human" they are.

To me, Despite the Nordic themes, the Entire Space Wolve Chapter is the scotsman from Samurai Jack.

A loud, crass semi-foul tempered Braggard with a heart of Gold and an Arm of Iron.

In fact, I'm gonna model my next wolf lord with a Bolter for a leg.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)12:34 UTC+1 No.32954453 Report

>>32954039
I haven't been playing that long, joining late 4th-early 5th. But Ill grant you the True Grit and additional special weapons (on bikes?) for no apparent downside was something I taunted my friends with once upon a time.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)12:35 UTC+1 No.32954460 Report

>>32954089
And now I am off to dl all of Samurai Jack.

Thanks.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:27 UTC+1 No.32956366 Report

>>32952448
space wolves are pretty Y2K

might play them because I think im going yiff but idknow depends if the gf is into it you know? and I really get to express it.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:45 UTC+1 No.32956565 Report

>>32952448
most people do. spacewolf hate is largely contained to angry pockets of people who pretend everyone agrees with them
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)16:48 UTC+1 No.32956598 Report

>>32954040
Well, you must be a perfect example of a faggot then because I've never been to /v/.
The codex is the most important piece of knowledge about a faction besides a blurb in BRB.
>they took one war crime, whined and bitched and moaned about it and are forever trapped within the circle of hating a stereotype they themselves invented.
>Stalin is fine, he just murdered 50 million people

This is how you sound like.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:01 UTC+1 No.32956762 Report

>>32953354
>like a Japanese teenager with a magic katana and modern liberal opinions in Medieval Europe.

Funny since a lot of people make fun of the Imperium because it's evil according to their modern liberal opinion.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:19 UTC+1 No.32957015 Report

>>32952448
I played Space Wolves in 3rd edition. Lots of fun. I just wish they'd stop calling everything Wolf _____. It was cool when I was like 14. But now it's a bit trite
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:20 UTC+1 No.32957043 Report

>>32953354
Look at this guy.

All of 40k is armies that are over-the-top awesome. And each one is bester than every other.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)17:43 UTC+1 No.32957343 Report

They're a great chapter. Loyal but strongly independent, very aggressive but value life is the kind of ethos I'd want in super soldiers so I'd place them in the same category as Salamanders and Lamenters, the latter of which is in my humble opinion the best chapter and what I'd imagine the Emperor had in mind when he made space marines
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)18:24 UTC+1 No.32957832 Report

>>32952448
Yes. I may disagree with them, but variety is the spice of life.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:21 UTC+1 No.32958638 Report

>>32952448
SW are my favorite chapter.
So what if they are edgy-2pro4u-wolfywolf-viking-wolves.
They have awesome fluff, a nordic taste, and ride giant wolves into battle. That's pretty damn awesome.
Most of TG's hate is just childish, like the Ultrasmurfs. Once a greco-roman legion, now a chapter of Fanwank. But you can always ignore the bad and go with the good.
Yes, I have an army of 'Wolf-fuckers.' But they don't have to be, hell, I got a few that I painted/modeled like Solaire from DaS.
It's your army, do what you want with it.
And if others bitch about how your army 'isn't fluffed correctly' fuck them, as they obviously do not understand 40k besides Rules and Regulations.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:27 UTC+1 No.32958746 Report

>>32958638
>now a chapter of fanwank
>now
They've always been ultra super greatest of all space marines all the wsy back to 2e

>but anon! Every chapter was said to be the greatest in 2e.
False, the space wolves were the most ferocious, but ferocity does not mean greatness. Since 2e only the Ultramarines have been the greatest of all space marines.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:36 UTC+1 No.32958881 Report

>>32958746
Whatever, you still get my point yes?
Any chapter can be yours, you make up your own stories for your own armies. 40k even has two lost primarchs specifically for new homebrew chapters.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:37 UTC+1 No.32958908 Report

>>32952744
>If you can convince someone to hate something as awesome as space-viking-wearwolves
Its pretty easy to hate a missed opportunity. The SWs dont do any raiding since they are too busy protecting their homeworld from their own faction and teamkilling nor do they do much werewolfing since that shit be mutants which be Chaos so they gotta keep it on the down low. They aren't even really vikings either, they just blather on about wolves and occasionally runes. In fact, vikings fucking hated wolves to the point of having them be their mythological avatars of gluttony and destruction.

I'm not even gonna get into how dumb their lore and history of spreading Chaos throughout the Imperium is because it doesn't even matter, what matters is that they failed to be badass Space Vikings or even badass Space Werewolves, much less so the badass Space Viking Werewolves you claim them to be.

I will even posit that the viking motif is wasted on them to the point that literally every other faction would have been able to use it better. CSMs and orks would be the obvious choices to use this motif to its full potential, but even viking necrons or antlered tyranids with frost weapons would be way more interesting than the Yiffs. Hell, Craftworld Asgard would be straight bitchin and you know it.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:38 UTC+1 No.32958915 Report

>>32958881
What-oh, dont mention the lost primarchs! We wouldn't want badwrongfun to occur would we?

but yes, I get your point, and even play the loyalist lost legion as my main army along with a warband spawned by a small faction of traitors.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:43 UTC+1 No.32958986 Report

>>32954040
Here we have a perfect example of what I call "The /v/ boogeyman"

Take one ooinion you disagree with and blame it on /v/ until you are forever trapped within the circle of hating a tribalism induced strawman you yourself invented
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:45 UTC+1 No.32959010 Report

>>32958908
Viking Necrons?
Allow me to steal that idea, as it is fucking awesome.
>Based on draugr
>They hail from Tomb World Valhalla
>Two giant monoliths named Ymir and Ragnarok accompany them
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:47 UTC+1 No.32959053 Report

>>32959010
/tg/ had a few threads on them. Basically, after their long sleep they wake up and go back to raiding and pillaging for supplies they dont even need any more, like food and drink. They have a glorious feast in their Flying Tomb-Hall nightly, even though none of them can eat or drink.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:49 UTC+1 No.32959070 Report

>>32958638
>now a chapter of Fanwank
Yiffs are much wankier than Smurfs.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:50 UTC+1 No.32959089 Report

>>32957343
>Loyal
They sure love to loyally murder the IoM at every given chance, lemme tell ya.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:51 UTC+1 No.32959114 Report

I disliked Space Wolves in 2nd edition as they were just overpowered, as anyone who was there.

Currently I don't mind them, I like those marines on polar bears that Scibor make.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:54 UTC+1 No.32959166 Report

>>32952448
they jumped the shark when they started riding wolves
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:54 UTC+1 No.32959168 Report

>>32959053

That just gave me a good idea for a campaign enemy with phat loot. Undead vikings pillaging for stuff but none of it gets used really except weapons and armor.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:56 UTC+1 No.32959198 Report

>>32959089
They kill the inquisition when the inquisition is going around teamkilling.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:56 UTC+1 No.32959201 Report

>>32953360

Fight back, of course, but most Chapter Masters outside the Space wolves would either seek to compromise in order to avoid undue attention, or merely leave, because there's always another heresy/xenos infestration to purge, and there's no need to rile up those that are supposed to be on your side.

Meanwhile, the Space Wolves:
- rescue potentially chaos-tainted civilians, despite being ordered not to.
- team-kill Grey Knights, despite the fact they just saved their wolf asses from "AngryMc.Rage" and his Bloodthirster friends
- destroys Ecclesiarchy ships, because fuck you, we venerate Russ on Fernris, that's why
- Generally behave rudely and obnoxiously to everyone, especially anything claiming to come in the name of the Emperor.

Seriously... Chapters have been Excommunicate Traitoris/gotten the "Celestial Lions" treatment for much less!
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:57 UTC+1 No.32959210 Report

Why do people need to hate? Why do some people hate more than others?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:57 UTC+1 No.32959223 Report

>>32959198
Or nuns for being too faithful.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)19:59 UTC+1 No.32959243 Report

>>32959223
Everyone kills the nuns, they exist to be hats.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:01 UTC+1 No.32959274 Report

>>32952448
Space wolves distrust of technology and overall hard-headedness is why I don't like them. A bunch of drinking space marines that go to battle for prowess and have a dick chapter demeanor can go burn in hell. Fuck Space Wolves.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:02 UTC+1 No.32959292 Report

>>32959243
Only GKs and SWs, actually, and GKs at least had an excuse for killing less than a dozen. SWs just murdered three fucking ships full of the broads and then beheaded the GK grandmaster for accusing them of Chaos. With his Chaos axe, I might add.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:02 UTC+1 No.32959305 Report

>>32959201
Soul Drinkers were declared traitors for running a smash and grab on the Admech to steal an Imperial Fist relic.

Any chapter that would do what the yiffs do, as blatantly as the yiffs do it, would declared traitor within a century of existing.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:05 UTC+1 No.32959345 Report

>>32959089
the inquisitors were about to kill a bunch of imperial guard that just saved a planet, so fuck em. also fuck the ecclesiarchy
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:06 UTC+1 No.32959359 Report

>>32959345
Those guardsmen then went on to explode into daemons and taint dozens more planets, so fuck the SWs.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:07 UTC+1 No.32959382 Report

>>32953284
>most of them bow down to inquisition

Inquisitors literally have to ally themselves to chapters before asking for their assistance, with some exceptions that mainly came out during the Badab War, and those exceptions like Minotaurs and Carcharodons alienated the decent SM chapters making them leave the war
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:08 UTC+1 No.32959401 Report

>>32959345
Last time an Inquisitor failed to kill a bunch of guardsmen that saved a planet, the Cadian High Command paid the butcher's bill
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:10 UTC+1 No.32959427 Report

>>32959359
then maybe the inquisitors shouldn't raise a shit about them, causing the space wolves to spread them out. still inquisitions fault.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:10 UTC+1 No.32959440 Report

>>32959401
> failed to kill
Except he didn't fail. He didn't try at all. The regiment that ambushed and slaughtered Cadia's High Command was spared and deployed to Cadia because an Inquisitor thought it'd be good to have guardsmen who've fought chaos daemons before.
Oops. Guess regulations like that exist for a reason.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:10 UTC+1 No.32959441 Report

I play Space Wolves. I like a lot of chapters but Space Wolves are a lot of fun. The wolves kinda hit a soft spot in me since I've owned those types of dogs since I was a wee lad. Huskies/Malamutes/Wolf hybrids the lot.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:11 UTC+1 No.32959448 Report

>>32959427
Maybe the SWs should stop behaving like petulant, whiny teenagers over every little thing
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:13 UTC+1 No.32959476 Report

>>32959089
>do it once
>lel teamkillers
>DA do it for 10000 years
>totally legit guise
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:14 UTC+1 No.32959488 Report

>>32959476
DA is small scale, and the Space Yiffs have done it 3 times on a scale notable enough to warrant a time line entry, and once to warrant half a novel.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:15 UTC+1 No.32959497 Report

>>32959476
>once
They've done it every fucking time they leave their home planet ever since they went and tried to kill Magnus the Red.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:15 UTC+1 No.32959499 Report

>>32959359
[Citation needed]
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:15 UTC+1 No.32959509 Report

>>32959448
>petulant whiny teenagers
>not wanting heroes of the imperium to be murdered by asshole inquisitors

yeah nah.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:17 UTC+1 No.32959526 Report

>>32959305
Depends on the political pull, first founding is obviously stronger in that regard, look at the Executioners, they managed to get away with most of the shit they did in the Badab War because the Salamanders got their back, and the Celestial Lions were perfectly fine after the BTs decided to help them
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:18 UTC+1 No.32959561 Report

>>32959509
>not wanting heroes of the imperium to be murdered by asshole inquisitors
Heroes of the Imperium who aren't murdered after fighting chaos daemons end up like the Volscani
>>32959440

Or, if they're more fortunate. Like the Sameter, who sat around killing 30+ (a century later, bodies apparently, are still being recovered and linked to them) people in a ritualistic manner.

Chaos and Inquisition fluff both agree, the chances of a guardsmen fighting chaos and coming out unscathed and unlikely to turn traitor, is very small. It's been this way since Realms of Chaos.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:19 UTC+1 No.32959566 Report

>>32959488
>DA is small scale

Until they threaten BT ships and claim to be sorry about not killing Inquisitors the first time they meet them, and doing so for 10000 years because of an obscure agenda
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:20 UTC+1 No.32959576 Report

>>32952448

>Act like renegades and are never punished for it because of their sue status.
>Stupid one note theme that goes against the point of marines as warrior monks.
>Hilarious snowflake curse of the 'yiffening' where they turn into their fursonas.
>WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF OF THE WOLFING WOLF

Hands down worst chapter.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:20 UTC+1 No.32959588 Report

>>32952448
I sometimes consider them neat, as they're basically loyalist chaos marines.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:21 UTC+1 No.32959593 Report

>>32959561
The chances of Space Marines doing is small. That's why Dante agrees to let his marines be mind wiped. He knows what's at stake.

Space Wolves don't need mind wiping because they've already fallen. The Axe of Morkai has no doubt seen to that.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:21 UTC+1 No.32959595 Report

>>32959488

>small scale

DA kill or disappear anyone who witnesses the fallen. And thats been going on for some time now.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:22 UTC+1 No.32959613 Report

>>32959576
>Hands down worst chapter.

well they are actually good for detecting furries
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:31 UTC+1 No.32959755 Report

mfw a new Space Wolves chapter might be due within the year.

Dis gon b gud.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:33 UTC+1 No.32959785 Report

>>32959755
I think you mean Codex?

And yes, all these TS fags will cry themselves to a slow and painful death. I hope Ward gets to work on it
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:35 UTC+1 No.32959811 Report

>>32959785
Yeah, codex.
And I fully expect it to give them more ammunition to use and give the Wolves fan more of what they live (which tends to be mutually inclusive).

The fireworks will be awesome.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:38 UTC+1 No.32959873 Report

>>32959811
Of course they're gonna get more ammunition, they already are in the "anything will be fine to whine" phase, I am already laughing imagining the butthurt while they nitpick every single line
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:38 UTC+1 No.32959874 Report

>they are sues

They are impulsive, foolhardy and stubborn. They actually lost a bunch of marines because they actually hit on a bunch of xenos without knowing.

>teamkillers

Marines and the inquisition are always at each others throats. Other than a small number of chapters (minatours, red hunters, excorcists) marines don't like dealing with the Inquisition. Inquisition doesn't like marines because they are not lap dogs. People who think that the Inquisition has any kind of power over space marines are wrong. They are allies at best. First founding chapters are even better since they have the support of their successors. DA killed more friendlies in the long run and their loyalty is rarely challenged if any. Marines malevolent kill imperial citizens left and right because "lol ur weak git rekt", flesh tearers razed a whole planet because of red thirst and actually killed a group of sororitas and got a pardon because they are useful and so on. Why are the space wolves so special? And remember, the Inquisitor shot first.

>Axe morkai

Gauntlets of ultramar are also recovered chaos weapons. I don't see anyone claiming ultramarines to be traitors.

Not even a wolf player. I play Blood Angels and IG. Just how I see things.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:42 UTC+1 No.32959934 Report

>>32959874
Morkai and gauntlets of ultramar are still small scale if you consider that the Relictors used daemonic weapons without suffering corruption, they got declared heretics only after they pissed off a butthurt inquisitor that greentexted on =I=chan until the GKs couldn't take it anymore
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:45 UTC+1 No.32959998 Report

>>32959934
The Guantlets are small scale compared to the axe. The Gauntlets were retrieved in the Horus Heresy, that's a very short time period in the hands of chaos. They're also not actively thrumming with the dark power of Khorne.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:45 UTC+1 No.32960003 Report

>>32959934

Yes, exactly my point. People who claim that a single axe can corrupt a chapter master let alone a whole chapter should go and read more about relictors. They actively looked for chaotic artifacts and weapons and utilized them in battle all the time. We are talking about a chapter wide artifact usage here, as opposed to a single axe.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:47 UTC+1 No.32960050 Report

>>32959998
And the axe is small scale compared to untreated daemonic weapons
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:48 UTC+1 No.32960058 Report

>>32960003
The chapter master is all it takes. The Blood Ravens would have fallen with their Chapter Master if Angelos hadn't had a party of PCs. You seem to underestimate the influence a chapter master has over his chapter if you think a corrupted chapter master isn't a danger to the whole chapter.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:51 UTC+1 No.32960103 Report

>>32960050
For a "treated" weapon it sure does a whole lot of "Thrumming with power of the warp" and "glowing darkly with the power of Khorne."

Combined with waging open war on a fully fledged Inquistorial Conclave and three orders of Sisters.

It's laughable to call them loyal.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:52 UTC+1 No.32960122 Report

I think the hate stems from Leman Russ coming off as a huge fucking asshole in the HH series, which to be fair, is largely bad book series.

Is there actually any hyper stereotyped SAMURAI HONOUR space marine chapter?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:53 UTC+1 No.32960148 Report

>>32959998

>that's a very short time period in the hands of chaos

How do we know? Time isn't linear in the warp. The champion might have been a millenia old as far as we know. Chaos gods existed long before the heresy as well.

>>32960058
>>32960103

How old is Logan? 700 give or take a couple of decades? He's been leading the chapter for all that time and we have two instances of team killing. First is a group of sisters sent by ecclesiarchy to fenris without informing the chapter because "all father might not be the emperor". Second, an Inquisitor giving the order to open fire on a wolf vessel. Compared to shit done by chapters like Blood Angels and their successors, marines malevolent, dark angels etc, thats quite tame.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:55 UTC+1 No.32960171 Report

>>32959566
At least DA has always covered it up. Space Wolves basically go around telling everyone "he looks at all these loyal dudes we killed!"
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:56 UTC+1 No.32960185 Report

>>32960103
My point stands about Relictors

And you're mentioning a few instances of Imperium infighting like that's even a rare thing. First things first, no Imperium organization is a hivemind, so having a more or less violent quarrel with someone from that organization is not going to get you in trouble with the whole deal; on the contrary, you probably just did someone else from that organization a favour.

Second, civil wars and infighting between imperials are so common that the Inquisition itself doesn't even start to check on them until they get really out of hand, see the Badab War

And third, several chapters have done much worse than the wolves as far as teamkilling goes, with various levels of repercussion up to and including full pardon
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:56 UTC+1 No.32960191 Report

Oh look, it's this thread again.
With the exact same arguments, counter arguments, and circular motion too.
How original /tg/! How very creative!
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:56 UTC+1 No.32960192 Report

>>32960003

A single sword led to the corruption of the Emperor's Children

Don't underestimate Chaos
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:57 UTC+1 No.32960203 Report

>>32960122
Ultramarines. Black Templars.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:57 UTC+1 No.32960204 Report

>>32960171

Whats your point? They think they are in the right, that's why they have no problem with people hearing it. DA know they have something to hide.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:58 UTC+1 No.32960223 Report

>>32960203

Nah, Ultras are romanic/greek themed and black templars are obviously teutonic crusader themed.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)20:58 UTC+1 No.32960228 Report

>>32960192
>Don't underestimate Chaos
That's all yiff fags do. That's why it's "heroic" to rescue all those guardsmen from Armageddon to go the way of the Volscani.

Of course, if the space wolves are traitor, it looks a lot less like incompetence and idiocy
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:00 UTC+1 No.32960250 Report

>>32953425
Sensei arent even a thing anymore.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:02 UTC+1 No.32960270 Report

>>32960250
There's the perpetuals, but no one likes the perpetuals. No one with a brain anyway and the same could be said for their whole series
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:06 UTC+1 No.32960316 Report

>>32960228

Thats the thing though. Thats why people are divided when it come to wolves. Some think that they are secret traitors who are scheming and doing stuff like freeing corrupted guardsmen to spread chaos.

Than there are people who think that the wolves are actually really stubborn when it comes to turning their guns on people they fought side by side for a whole campaign and are ignorant enough to ignore good advice.

Inquisition, instead of trying to negotiate and maybe explain things, opened fire on wolf vessels. You don't do that shit. Not against space marines. Any chapter in space wolves place would have done (or tried to) do the same thing. I would like to see the same thing happen with Dark Angels. They would have nuked the sector and said "nope, we don't know what happened to your ships."
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:06 UTC+1 No.32960318 Report

>>32960270
I don't like the perpetuals for a number of reasons.

1) I like the Emperor being a special snowflake. A superhuman made out of shaman souls is a lot cooler than one of several immortal guys who happened to gain power.

2)If he could make Vulkan a perpetual, why didn't he make the other primarchs perpetuals too? The 6th Edition rulebook says that the primarchs are still mortal. Why would the Emperor want his sons to eventually die?

3)If the Emperor is a perpetual, why the fuck was he ever hooked up to the Golden Throne in the first place? Just die and come back. Your forces can protect the human webway for a few minutes without you.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:08 UTC+1 No.32960342 Report

>>32960204
Space wolves suffer literally no repercussions for OVERT actions. Which makes no sense.

Dark Angels suffer no consequences for COVERT actions. Which makes sense.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:12 UTC+1 No.32960391 Report

>>32960318
I also like the reason 1. The Emperor as the Chaos God's equal and opposite. Adds a yin/yang spin to the warp and explains why the Chaos Gods had to go through the trouble of the Horus Heresy. The Emperor is their equal, so they used Horus to distract him.
And we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling space marines and your stupid terminator.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:18 UTC+1 No.32960487 Report

>>32960391
With the old lore, if the Emperor was made by shamans before the common era, that means that the Emperor is actually older than the Chaos Gods - he's been their enemy since before they were born. So he knows how to fight them and how they work - they needed to use Horus as their cats paw to do any real damage.

Also, that helps explain why the other races don't seem to worry about Chaos as much (aside from the Eldar, but that's only because Slaanesh). The Emperor knows that humanity is the race that has the most direct impact on the Chaos Gods. He protects humanity, and protects them from the chaos gods they accidentally created.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:21 UTC+1 No.32960525 Report

>>32960391
I like it more if the Emperor is even more special than being the opposite fo the Chaos Gods: He is just The Fucking Emperor. Nothing compares.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:21 UTC+1 No.32960526 Report

>>32960487
>older than the Chaos Gods

That's not how the warp works. Time is not linear there.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:21 UTC+1 No.32960531 Report

>>32960487
I know, I find the best canon is a combination of that and Forge World's Horus Heresy.
I for one, eagerly await the rematch in M42. Someday, when I have enough models, I will do an apocalypse campaign for the final battle between chaos and order.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:23 UTC+1 No.32960558 Report

>>32960526
When the Emperor was born in the old fluff, chaos hadn't overrun the warp yet. It was there, but it wasn't predominate. By the warp's reckoning, they may have existed, but they weren't nearly as strong as they are post-humanity.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:26 UTC+1 No.32960605 Report

>>32960526
They have been born earlier in the warp, but in the materium, they were only born about during the middle ages.

So from the Emperor's point of view, he's older than them, but from their point of view, they're older than him. Maybe.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:26 UTC+1 No.32960608 Report

>>32960558

Still nothing to do with age.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:27 UTC+1 No.32960611 Report

>>32959874
>Gauntlets of ultramar are also recovered chaos weapons
That were cleansed first and never crackled with Warp energies as they were used to behead the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:28 UTC+1 No.32960632 Report

>>32960608
Well I wasn't that anon. But he is older as linear real space reckons it. Just like as linear real space reckons it, Slaanesh didn't always exist.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:28 UTC+1 No.32960644 Report

>>32960122
I think the mantises had that going on. White Scars are more Mongolian adrenaline junkies than Samurais, but its as close as you're gonna get with the tau around.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:29 UTC+1 No.32960659 Report

>>32960632

>Slaanesh didn't always exist.

In realspace. She did in the warp. Eldar even heard her whispers and saw her in nightmares before she tore into realspace.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:32 UTC+1 No.32960697 Report

>>32960659
>In realspace
That would be what "Just like as linear real space reckons it," means.

And Slaanesh, like the other chaos gods, started off as a mass in the warp before it became sentient. Slaanesh had no effect on the materium before that mass spawned as real space sees it.

So as real space sees it, the Emperor is older than the others, before they became distinct masses in the warp tumor that is chaos.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:32 UTC+1 No.32960718 Report

>>32952448
I don't really care about them. The way they acted during the months of shame was stupid, but otherwise they are okay...
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:34 UTC+1 No.32960740 Report

>>32960697

And as the warp sees it the Chaos Gods are primordial beings as old as the warp. My point is that trying to frame the Chaos Gods age within linear time is pointless because linear time means jack shit to them.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:36 UTC+1 No.32960779 Report

>>32960740
Fair enough
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:39 UTC+1 No.32960835 Report

>>32960740
> Chaos Gods age within linear time is pointless because linear time means jack shit to them.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50ZZe6_ANM

Then why do/did the C'tan Gods view the Chaos Gods as upstart?
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)21:42 UTC+1 No.32960879 Report

>>32960835

Because their perspective is realspace and linear time.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)22:21 UTC+1 No.32961493 Report

Those monsters are unforgivable rabid, book-burning furries. Yes I hate them.
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Anonymous 06/23/14(Mon)22:30 UTC+1 No.32961662 Report

>>32961493
At least you're honest, TSIDF
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:06 UTC+1 No.32963522 Report

SW are awesome, /tg/ hates them because they are just not grim dark enough:

No secret shame.
Loyal.
No self pity.
No religious douchebag-ery.
No being a dick to the general populous because reasons.
No melancholy.
No resting on their laurels.
Feasting and drinking.
Commaraderie
Sense of humor
Enjoying themselves
Generally being the good guys.
Leman Russ is still alive and is coming back someday.

/tg/ also naturally hates wolves as they are a buch of rednecks and wolves often kill their chickens.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:12 UTC+1 No.32963645 Report

>>32960270
I like them because it means Vulkan can still be alive. And that's about it.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:14 UTC+1 No.32963666 Report

>>32956598
comparing a fictional faction in a silly tabletop game to real life deaths, dictatorships and holocaust?

Yeah, he's definitely the idiot here
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:15 UTC+1 No.32963694 Report

>>32953935
This
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:16 UTC+1 No.32963713 Report

>>32956598
>The codex is the most important piece of knowledge about a faction
And the codex says they're awesome, so by your logic you should suck their cock

Also
>50 million people
>one war crime
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:18 UTC+1 No.32963761 Report

SW are the most treasonous 'loyalist' chapter after DA
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:18 UTC+1 No.32963762 Report

>>32963522
They sound kinda wanky when you put it like that.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:22 UTC+1 No.32963848 Report

>>32953935
>>32963694
5E SW were the ultimate gunline what are you talking about.

Long Fangs, dual special weapon GHs, Jaws of the Wolf Laser
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:23 UTC+1 No.32963859 Report

>come to point out they're traitors, like the DA.
>this has been pointed out ad absurdum already

Sons, I am proud.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:27 UTC+1 No.32963925 Report

>>32960103
>It's laughable to call them loyal.
Loyal to the Allfather and mankind, not the Inquisition and the high lords of Terra.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:28 UTC+1 No.32963954 Report

>>32952448
The only thing I REALLY dislike about them is the Rune Priests. It would make more sense if they were just latent psykers who used their gifts to combat other witchspawn, but as is they get to have their cake and eat it too. I want to have a 30k SW army when they come out with them, but I'm not running goddamn Rune Priests.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:31 UTC+1 No.32964020 Report

>>32963848
>not dropping piles of GH on your enemy to rape them in the assault.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:34 UTC+1 No.32964081 Report

>>32963925
Indeed, its the Dark Angels to whom nothing is sacred, the 10th traitor legion criterion sehpetel
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)00:44 UTC+1 No.32964272 Report

>>32953284
>But most of them still respect authorities, bow down to Inquisition, work in teams and follow orders.

Not any of the founding chapters, some may ally, but they're all independent powers.
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Definitly a Space Wulf 06/24/14(Tue)01:50 UTC+1 No.32965730 Report

az A space wulf, i want everee 1 2 no that al uv us r ilituret, xenos luving, heretikal, mutint, kAos wershiping trAturs

soree ubout thuh speling
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)01:54 UTC+1 No.32965814 Report

>>32960103
codex says they are loyal, so yeah guess the warp stuff is meaningless.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)02:15 UTC+1 No.32966277 Report

>>32952448
Yeah, I like them. They do what they were designed to do. I get why some anons don't like them, but the level of vitriol ITT is just...sad. Same as any 40K thread, I suppose.

May as well ask If anyone here actually likes the World Eaters or the Kreigers. It'll be filled with the usual amount of trolling and whinging either way.
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Definitly a space wulf 06/24/14(Tue)02:21 UTC+1 No.32966408 Report

>>32965730
I fergot 2 mention that we are turning fenris into a Daemon World, so if you want to stop us, you will have to destroy our planet.
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)02:22 UTC+1 No.32966433 Report

>>32966408
Now Magnus, this is just getting silly
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Definitly a space wulf 06/24/14(Tue)02:27 UTC+1 No.32966543 Report

>>32966433
i'm not Magnus, i'm not even a supeeriur Thousand Son sorcerer, I am A normul space wulf

>the picture shows thousand son sorcerer armor. How the fuck would this be Magnus?
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)02:30 UTC+1 No.32966608 Report

>>32966543
Magnus can appear as he pleases, including a shota
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)02:31 UTC+1 No.32966628 Report

>>32959588
So is Ahriman, yet he gets shit on all the time.
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Space Wolf 06/24/14(Tue)02:38 UTC+1 No.32966786 Report

>>32961493
>>32965730
>>32966408
>>32966543
go back to the eye, you traitorous witch.
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Thousand son 06/24/14(Tue)02:50 UTC+1 No.32966996 Report

>>32966786
Make me, furry!
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Anonymous 06/24/14(Tue)02:53 UTC+1 No.32967073 Report

>>32966996
Are you crying? It looks like you have a speck of dust in your eye.
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Thousand son 06/24/14(Tue)03:06 UTC+1 No.32967286 Report

>>32967073
No! of course not! Shut up!

I wish we were never banished ;_;
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Thousand son 06/24/14(Tue)03:16 UTC+1 No.32967457 Report

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