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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:36 UTC+1 No.1902987 Report

I'd like to start my retro journey but I'm not sure how to go about it. One thing I know for sure is that for Nintendo developed games, I must play on Nintendo hardware. Whether that be through the Virtual Console on Wii U or the original hardware.

Everything else though, like old school RPGs for example, I'm wondering if emulation is the best route. Is this generally the way most of /vr/ plays or do you actually hunt down the original games via Ebay or whatever? I want an authentic experience above all else, but if emulation is equally pleasurable then I'll gladly do that.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:43 UTC+1 No.1902996 Report

>>1902987
>authentic experience
The difference between emulation and real hardware for NES and SNES is virtually unnoticable to almost everyone.

If you already own a console, consider investing in a flash cart so you can play the games you want on the original hardware.

If you want to own physical copies of games, prepare to empty your wallet. Megaman X2 routinely goes for 100+ on eBay, along with other great games like Demon's Crest and Chrono Trigger and others that are usually 60+, including Sunset Riders, Turtles in Time, Mario RPG, and the like. Not to mention absolutely insanely priced games like Hagane, Wild Guns, and such.

You can buy a flashcart for literally 1/2 the price of Hagane and play it.

I have a huge collection already and I just budget away some cash. Sometimes if I get a bonus or tax return I'll buy a big ticket game like Tron Bonne, or Hagane. Usually though I just put away 100 or so monthly and that account is far game for all vidya.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:43 UTC+1 No.1902998 Report

why set arbitrary (and asinine) limits for yourself when you don't even have experience?

emulate nintendo games just like any other games. it's free.

pick up original controllers to use on your pc so it's like a console.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:46 UTC+1 No.1903003 Report

yeah Id dick around with emulation before you start sinking money into it
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:52 UTC+1 No.1903023 Report

>>1902987
>One thing I know for sure is that for Nintendo developed games, I must play on Nintendo hardware.
That's not true. Early Nintendo games like Donkey Kong or Mario Bros were licensed for a variety of consoles and computers.

Modern engine recreation are usually a better alternative than emulation but they only exist in playable state for a small number of games.
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Anonymous 08/31/14(Sun)23:56 UTC+1 No.1903035 Report

>>1902987
>That orange-peel paint job

Damn OP, I hope that SNES isn't yours. They did a really shitty job on painting it.

Emulate with some good emulators first. Then if you get really invested go and get yourself a good CRT and actual hardware. I prefer actual hardware over emulation, but unless you're hellbent on playing N64 games, Nintendo systems emulate fine as long as you don't pick up shit like ZSENS. If you are interested in N64, prepare to get fucked in the ass because the market is bullshit right now for N64 more than anything else. Plus, it is the exception with emulation as I said. There's no really good emulators out there.

Flashcarts are a good money saving alternative for any system, since it's literally the same thing as a cart except in very specific games where they had certain chips specifically for that game. I don't buy flashcarts though so I'm not sure if they take that into account.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:02 UTC+1 No.1903043 Report

>>1902998
>>1903035
I was just worried that emulating would give me a worse experience than playing on the original hardware. If that's not the case then great. And no, that's not my SNES.

Is something like this fine? http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Classic-USB-Gamepad-PC/dp/B002B9XB0E
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:03 UTC+1 No.1903053 Report

>>1903035
>>1903043
My only big gripes with emulators is that not all games emulate well or at all, sometimes you get a bum rom that just freezes, and it generally makes you a worse player with the availability of savestates.

Beating certain games just feels more satisfying on console.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:04 UTC+1 No.1903054 Report

>>1903043
you would be emulating on a wii as well, so no it wouldn't be worse.

that controller is okay and seems sturdy enough, but you can also seek out the originals along with adapters.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:12 UTC+1 No.1903073 Report

At this point, being a purist is no longer about the experience, but just for the sake of owning a Nintendo console. Sure, it seems cool to have a huge game collection, no shame in it either, but it's a huge hassle to deal with. I own a NES, SuFami, N64, GCN, Wii etc. and the inconvenience of so many wires is unbearable anymore. I just sold my snes to help relieve the clutter, but at this point I feel that the rest will become decorative for my room. I will continue to keep them in working condition, but as far as having them all hooked up at once, it looks awful and wires always find a way to get tangled. It's easier to have something that does it all with little wires. That's why I'm building a raspberry pi emulator. The composite and hdmi out is a great feature and prevents the cost of modding for rgb video. My point is that I used to only want to play Nintendo games on a Nintendo system too, but I've learned that the experience of popping in cartridges does not beat the convenience, cost, and look of a clean setup that you can get from emulating. After all, the game provides about 98% of the experience. But it's up to you OP.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:22 UTC+1 No.1903091 Report

>>1903073
>the inconvenience of so many wires is unbearable anymore.

Wiremold, son. That and a good switch for all your media devices. Cable management is only as bad as you make it.

Compared to the shit I set up at work, a home media center is super easy to manage. Of course, emulation requires no wires but your PC, but I'm just saying, it really isn't a big deal at all if you take the time to do correct cable management.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:24 UTC+1 No.1903101 Report

>>1903091
True but I may not be as coordinated as you.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)00:33 UTC+1 No.1903118 Report

>>1902987
>One thing I know for sure is that for Nintendo developed games, I must play on Nintendo hardware.

Are non-Nintendo games the bottom of the barrel so they don't deserve the original hardware? Fuck off.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)02:40 UTC+1 No.1903393 Report

>>1902987
I buy the game consoles and their respective Everdrive, or burn discs for them (Genesis, Saturn, N64, SNES, Neo Geo (multicart), PC Engine CD, Dreamcast)

I wouldn't pay a single cent for a video game, and fuck you if you think I'm going to give some neckbeard any of my money.

If you want to emulate, you can also go the lazy route like I have, and get UME, the MAME/MESS fullsets (picrelated) and a CRT. ( >>1903379 )

Best of both worlds.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)02:47 UTC+1 No.1903414 Report

>>1903393
What is UME?
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)03:01 UTC+1 No.1903445 Report

I am also very tempted to just buy the console and its respective flashcart. It is quite costly, though, and trying to explaib that I just want to play stuff on the original hardware just nets me comments like "why would you do that, you already can play it on your PC". They have a point, but I still want it...
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)03:41 UTC+1 No.1903564 Report

>>1903414
MAME (arcade) and MESS (home console) in a single build.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/qmc2/files/qmc2/0.44/qmc2-win32-x64-0.44.7z/download

http://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/OLDume/ume154ex1.exe

1. Extract the .7z, put the UME exe in the same directory
2. Start qmc2-ume.exe and only fill out the first two paths (the ume exe and the directory)
3. Edit rompath in ume.ini. It might look something like:
rompath roms;C:\MAME\roms\MESS 0.152 BIOS ROMs;C:\MAME\MESS 0.152 Software List ROMs;C:\MAME\MAME 0.152 ROMs
4. Restart qmc2 and everything should be available
5. To get the MESS game lists, copy over the hash directory from the MESS release into the directory http://www.mamedev.org/release.html
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)03:51 UTC+1 No.1903603 Report

>>1903445
Then do it. The barrier to entry with owning original hardware is high, but after you've got a good setup going you won't have to worry. Just buy shit one at a time. There's nothing wrong with owning original hardware or emulating as long as you do each the right way and take advantage of what each offers better than the other.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)03:55 UTC+1 No.1903621 Report

>>1903445
Nobody ever told me to put away my console and start up an emulator, if that helps.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:02 UTC+1 No.1903635 Report

>>1903445
well you did ask about emulation in the op, and people are trying to help saying that it is a viable option.

i don't understand your concern. whether you buy the consoles or emulate it's the same games so just do whichever you want to do.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:08 UTC+1 No.1903645 Report

>>1903635
He wants both, but he's too dumb to answer his own question.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:14 UTC+1 No.1903670 Report

>>1903635
>>1903645
That's not me.

I'll probably emulate for the most part. Hardware wise I have a deep interest in owning a Super Famicom and that's about it. I see one for $80 on Ebay I don't mind playing Japanese games for shit like Mario and Mega-man.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:17 UTC+1 No.1903681 Report

>>1902987
You really really don't need the original consoles and games. If you have the console, pick up a flashcart. Otherwise, just get some authentic (or decent clone) controllers and some mayflash adapters for them, then emulate everything with RetroArch (with some cgp, ntsc, crt, or phosphor lut shaders).
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:18 UTC+1 No.1903691 Report

>>1903053
There's a thing called GoodNes and GoodSnes. People have compiled complete romsets with good copies of every game. Just use Retroarch and the BSNES Accuracy core (or Higan of something)
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:21 UTC+1 No.1903698 Report

>>1903670
okay, my apologies.

if you can afford the console no reason not to get at least one that you like.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:24 UTC+1 No.1903707 Report

I realize I'm late to this thread but it was obvious to me immediately that OP should buy a SNES and a chinese Everdrive for it. Total cost including a thrift store TV and the SD card ~$100
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:26 UTC+1 No.1903713 Report

>>1903707
Is there a cart loader like Everdrive made for Super Famicom?
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:33 UTC+1 No.1903738 Report

>>1903713
The China Version Everdrive actually comes in a SFC cart case, if you want to use it in a SNES you have to either put it in a US case or pull the tabs out of your SNES (the easiest region mod ever btw).

Jap SFC games and US SNES systems are 100% compatible so you'll be able to play all games from both on either one via an Everdrive (and with real carts, if you pull the boards out). In the US a SNES can probably be had cheaper but if for whatever reason the SFC aesthetic is worth paying a $10-$20 premium to you by all means fo for it. Your game play experience will be the same either way.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)04:42 UTC+1 No.1903758 Report

>>1903691
>Just use Retroarch and the BSNES Accuracy core (or Higan of something)
Why would you recommend shit?
Everyone knows ZSNES is the best emulator.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)05:26 UTC+1 No.1903886 Report

>>1903758
Pentium Pro user detected
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)05:47 UTC+1 No.1903927 Report

>>1903886
Could a Pentium Pro even work with the modern internet? I reckon even a site like 4chan would cause it to lock up.
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Anonymous 09/01/14(Mon)06:02 UTC+1 No.1903956 Report

>>1903927
Why not? The key factor is the browser, and java support. When you have a competent browser for the machine and the useless java scripts are disabled, this is nothing more than a simple HTML page. You lose access to all the cool functions, and can only post the really old fashioned way, but you're good to go.

I seriously hope you got your fair share of RAM though, that's the most serious issue nowadays.
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