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Shining Force series Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)01:25 UTC+1 No.1787487 Report

>dat NTR

Fuck you, Bowie, for ending with the princess who barely gets one line in the game and not with the girl who's stuck by you the whole game and loves you dearly.
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)01:55 UTC+1 No.1787567 Report

>>1787487
Shining Force III's plot doesn't have this trope, at least. Not sure how much better that trilogy's plot is on the whole.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)02:50 UTC+1 No.1787694 Report

>>1787487

>they actually go so far as to show Sarah running away in tears

BASTARDS!
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)03:10 UTC+1 No.1787746 Report

>>1787694
>no doujins of bowie fucking the princess in front of tied up sarah

Why live.
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)03:30 UTC+1 No.1787801 Report

Remember this behind-the-scenes from GamesTM? http://www.gamestm.co.uk/uncategorised/behind-the-scenes-shining-force/

The Takahashi bros. mention Silver Ghost as the second influence on the first Shining Force, alongside Dragon Quest. Well, it looks like you can play Kure Software Koubou's games through Project EGG: http://www.amusement-center.com/project/egg/cgi/ecatalog-detail.cgi?contcode=7&product_id=28
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)04:02 UTC+1 No.1787892 Report

>>1787694
>blue hair elf
He'd rather fuck a hot virgin blonde with big tits.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)04:34 UTC+1 No.1787968 Report

>>1787892
>not knowing how dericiousry sexual elves are
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)05:12 UTC+1 No.1788103 Report

>>1787968

especially once they become Kung Fu masters
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)05:17 UTC+1 No.1788110 Report

SHINING FORCE THREAD
AW YEAH
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)07:43 UTC+1 No.1788461 Report

Is it wrong to think that I want a straight remake of the two SF games, with art designed by the guy who is in charge of the Modern Shining Force Games?
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)07:53 UTC+1 No.1788482 Report

>>1788461
No, but I think the current Shining team at SEGA needs to recognize and accept the Team Sonic/Camelot games first. They've somehow taken offense at the western Shining community for reasons mostly unknown to us, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're just as blatantly jealous as SEGA's executive board. Camelot's not going to work with SEGA again—not after how they dropped support during Episode III's development—so this issue's an impasse.

I don't like Tony Taka's art, honestly. Tamaki, though, now we're talking.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)08:02 UTC+1 No.1788507 Report

>>1788482
Can you show me a sample of this Tamaki's art?

Also, Isn't it illogical to destroy videos of past Shining Force Games just to promote a Modern Shining Game which will never be exported?
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)08:14 UTC+1 No.1788538 Report

>>1788507
Well yeah, they're petty fucks for doing that.

Tamaki dump!
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)08:15 UTC+1 No.1788540 Report

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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)08:16 UTC+1 No.1788542 Report

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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)08:19 UTC+1 No.1788549 Report

Tamaki mostly does monster designs these days, but he's good at most things.
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)08:21 UTC+1 No.1788552 Report

I generally like the SF3 art the most myself

I dig Tamaki and can take Taka or leave him
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)12:39 UTC+1 No.1788880 Report

I've always been a fan of Hiroshi Kajiyama.
He did the art for CD, Final Conflict, and Wisdom, and even helped with Shining Force III (several different artists did the final portraits, and you can even see some inconsistency between promotions, but the main character designs are his):

https://plus.google.com/photos/109697439128166295208/albums/5473453234896635889?banner=pwa

Most of his artwork can be found in "Half Quarter" books available on Shining Force Central (not complete, though).

http://shiningforcecentral.com/?p=artwork
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)15:33 UTC+1 No.1789120 Report

>tfw these games are too shallow to discuss so their threads just devolve into dumps of the same art over and over
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)16:23 UTC+1 No.1789204 Report

>>1788538
I used Hans you fuck
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Don Rumata 07/21/14(Mon)23:43 UTC+1 No.1790219 Report

>>1789204
I used him, but not for very long.

>>1789120
Shining Force III's the only really good one IMO, and it's a good deal more complex (partnering units for stat buffs, specials, equipment leveling, &c.).
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Anonymous 07/21/14(Mon)23:55 UTC+1 No.1790253 Report

>>1788880
>rubber legs
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:05 UTC+1 No.1790680 Report

The shining team has taken offense from the western shining community?

Details, please.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:13 UTC+1 No.1790706 Report

>>1790680
The shining team doesn't care, they just make Mario sports games for nintendo now.

Sega, who currently holds the rights to the series, threw a magnanimous hissy fit a couple years ago because westerners prefer the games that were actually released here over the newer, Japan-only weebshit. Filed a gorrillion false DMCA claims and got some lets players banned for no reason.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:22 UTC+1 No.1790725 Report

>>1790706
Sega are huge faggots and deserve the failure they've achieved. Their ONLY real fans are in the West and they hate them. See also: PSO 2.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)02:55 UTC+1 No.1790856 Report

http://strawpoll.me/2165923
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:20 UTC+1 No.1790935 Report

>>1787487
>Fuck you, Bowie
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:20 UTC+1 No.1790937 Report

>>1790706

yeah funny that people enjoy epic fantasy adventure instead of shappy smile elf bread
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:22 UTC+1 No.1790943 Report

>>1790725
If SoJ had been nuked from orbit in early 90s, Sega would probably be ruling the gaming world by now.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:25 UTC+1 No.1790952 Report

>>1790943
Pretty much. The Japanese branch is to blame for practically every fault Sega's ever had.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:28 UTC+1 No.1790961 Report

is Shining Force CD worth the price tag?
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:30 UTC+1 No.1790976 Report

>>1790943
>Implying SoJ wasn't responsible for 90% of the company's best games.
Yeah, cause Greendog: The Beach Surfer Dude and Eternal Champions are the Sega games that everyone remember fondly.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:32 UTC+1 No.1790981 Report

>>1790952
>The Japanese branch is to blame for practically every fault Sega's ever had.
I wish people would stop putting so much faith in the words of disgruntled SoA employees who didn't have their way with the company.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:34 UTC+1 No.1790987 Report

>>1790976
Not really talking about the games, but the company's decisions. Sega of Japan has made countless hilariously bad choices over and over again, and never learned from their mistakes. They also tried to shift the blame over to the US whenever things went wrong, which is a big part of why the Saturn was never successful here.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:34 UTC+1 No.1790990 Report

>>1790976
If SoJ was nuked from orbit but a rescue team was sent in to get JUST the developers before the attack, everything would have been good.
>>1790981
It's pretty plainly obvious that all of Sega's problems were by SoJ.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)03:39 UTC+1 No.1791000 Report

>>1790981
Yeah, the guys who were able to beat Nintendo in the biggest market. Versus, you know, the guys who ran Sega into the ground.

It is funny how petty and butthurt they are today against filthy gaijin, though.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:27 UTC+1 No.1791115 Report

>>1790961
>is Shining Force CD worth the price tag?

God no. It's really just the game gear games
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:30 UTC+1 No.1791125 Report

>>1791115
It has an entire third game afterwards.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)04:37 UTC+1 No.1791145 Report

>>1789120
>their threads just devolve into dumps of the same art over and over.

That's because there's barely new (fan)art of SF each year.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)12:08 UTC+1 No.1792240 Report

>>1791125
Four games, actually.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)12:13 UTC+1 No.1792245 Report

>Elf slave
wat du?
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)19:24 UTC+1 No.1793091 Report

>>1790706
If they were bogus claims, couldn't the LPers have challenged them?
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)19:26 UTC+1 No.1793096 Report

>>1787694
So cute.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:12 UTC+1 No.1793545 Report

>>1792240

eh still the scalpers ask a bit much for it.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:24 UTC+1 No.1793586 Report

mai waifu
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:43 UTC+1 No.1793656 Report

>>1793586
Speaking of Shining in the Darkness, I was really surprised when Pyra joined me in Timestalkers.

The game was crap, but the cameos were godlike. Also, Virgil from Landstalker was a bro in that game.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:48 UTC+1 No.1793674 Report

>>1787694
I like this design a lot. There's some weird charm into it.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)22:57 UTC+1 No.1793694 Report

>>1793656
Pyra is GOAT, I love how in your face she is. She doesn't afraid of anything.

>Virgil
I gotta play Timestalkers, asap.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)23:01 UTC+1 No.1793706 Report

>>1793656
>>1793694
Fuck, I'm a retard. I meant Nigel.
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Anonymous 07/22/14(Tue)23:07 UTC+1 No.1793723 Report

>>1793674
It's because dat face is adorable.
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Don Rumata 07/22/14(Tue)23:09 UTC+1 No.1793736 Report

>>1793723
More like you can sort of see her red tunic beneath the robe, a clever way of saying she's new to this adventuring business.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:21 UTC+1 No.1796251 Report

>>1793736
>>1793723
>>1793674

it's a shame the actual sprites where copy paste shite
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)17:44 UTC+1 No.1796331 Report

Speaking of Shining Force and love interests...
Was...was Mae Max's love interest? The ending implies something, but she's a centaur, right?
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)18:27 UTC+1 No.1796452 Report

>>1796331
There's barely any dialogue to work with, but I got the impression that it was only a one-way interest. Max could do a lot better.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)18:49 UTC+1 No.1796519 Report

>>1796331
Really?
I remember Narsha saying something in the ending that made me think she was in love with him, but it's been years since I last played the game, so I'm not 100% sure.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)19:27 UTC+1 No.1796608 Report

>>1796519
>Narsha
You played the remake, which has an affection system of sorts for all characters. I think it took into account talking to them in the hq, always letting them fight with you, and not getting them killed. Whoever has the highest affection will say a few lines after the final battle. You probably got Narsha (who's a remake-only character) because you used her the most, likely due to her game-breaking nature. When I played through the remake, I got Domingo.

In the original, only Mae (and I think Lowe) have dialogue after the final battle.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)19:30 UTC+1 No.1796619 Report

>>1796331
>but she's a centaur, right?

That never stopped hentai artists.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)20:35 UTC+1 No.1796779 Report

So how good are the Shining Force games?

Are they comparable to Fire Emblem or Warsong/Langrisser?
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Don Rumata 07/23/14(Wed)20:37 UTC+1 No.1796784 Report

>>1796779
First two are pretty casual compared to Fire Emblem (though later Langrisser games put both series to shame with their complexity), but III's a good deal more involved and has one of the best JRPG stories out there. Good thing there's English scripts and the patches almost complete.
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Anonymous 07/23/14(Wed)21:18 UTC+1 No.1796902 Report

>>1796784
I really think SF3 doesn't get enough credit. Either people don't know about the other scenarios' existence, or are too lazy to emulate Saturn.

That fucking scenario 3, man.

SFCD is also cool, too bad there's no exploration, though.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)19:30 UTC+1 No.1800347 Report

>>1788461
Tony's art is great, but just doesn't fit in juvenile RPGs with childish narratives.
It would work better with darker, more "adult" games.
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)22:10 UTC+1 No.1800772 Report

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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)23:15 UTC+1 No.1800960 Report

>>1800772
>Tails is Grounded

OH SHIT
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Anonymous 07/24/14(Thu)23:33 UTC+1 No.1801030 Report

>>1788461
I have the same problem with Taka as I have with Urushihara, I've seen waaaay too much porn of them and now I can't take their designs seriously.

Heck, I watched Fault not even a week ago.
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)01:31 UTC+1 No.1801482 Report

>>1800772
Is there anything NOT wrong with this picture? Jesus Christ.

>Guntz's face
>/co/ Max
>Tao the American Gladiator, constructed entirely out of pipe cleaners
>Male
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)06:26 UTC+1 No.1802412 Report

>>1787487
I don't remember this?

What it the first or second?

I had the werewolf in my ending
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)06:34 UTC+1 No.1802426 Report

>>1796331
Yeah Mae had a huge crush on the main PC
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)06:36 UTC+1 No.1802431 Report

>>1802412

you made out with the where wolf?
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)06:50 UTC+1 No.1802465 Report

>>1802431
remember me ;_;
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)15:38 UTC+1 No.1803429 Report

>>1801030
>Tony Taka makes porn

...now I know.
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)15:49 UTC+1 No.1803442 Report

>>1802412
Second, Max wasn't blonde.
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)15:55 UTC+1 No.1803452 Report

>>1803429
So does practically every single Japanese illustrator on the planet. Except maybe Takehito Harada, I don't think he draws hentai.
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)23:54 UTC+1 No.1804589 Report

>>1803452
Actually...
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Anonymous 07/25/14(Fri)23:55 UTC+1 No.1804590 Report

>>1787694
What if she was the protagonist?
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Don Rumata 07/25/14(Fri)23:59 UTC+1 No.1804596 Report

>>1804590
There's always fan fiction, lol.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)00:05 UTC+1 No.1804607 Report

>>1802412
There's a werewolf in SF1, SF2 and SF3, but only the first game's remake had a affection system, like >>1796608 said.
OP's image is from SF2.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)00:27 UTC+1 No.1804647 Report

Boy I sure do miss shining force, if only they had not dropped the ball with neo and exe.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)00:42 UTC+1 No.1804667 Report

>>1790856
>http://strawpoll.me/2165923
Domingo is the only right answer

or Hans
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)00:45 UTC+1 No.1804675 Report

>>1796608
I'd a Domingo

Would you a Domingo?
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)06:34 UTC+1 No.1805589 Report

Is the GBA remake for Shining Force better than the original?
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)07:08 UTC+1 No.1805667 Report

>>1805589
To me personally they are about the same, but some folks will argue that some of the changes and additions to the gba version make the game worse. Its worth it to give it a play since it offers a fresh perspective on an old classic.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)07:50 UTC+1 No.1805761 Report

>>1805589
Gameplay wise, the system has been refined and updated. For example, you now have an item box to store things your characters aren't holding, Max gets a super Egress and an attack spell, stuff like that. It plays about the same.

There's a new, and optional, gimmick about using cards. A remake-only character equips character cards to copy your character's effects, clone them, or giving them extra turns. He can also copy effects from enemy cards. Needless to say he's totally game-breaking if used right. Other new characters include Narsha, seen on >>1805667, has great stats and a game-breaking spell set, too.

All in all it's easier than the old version, but that's where the star system comes in. When you beat the game, you get a save with a star on it, a new game + of sorts where the difficulty is ramped up a bit. The neat part is that you can stack stars by beating it over and over, so the game keeps getting harder and harder. I remember a guy who had 20+ stars, it made the enemies impossible but also buggy due to their extremely hard stats, he had to exploit these bugs to win.

The music is remixed from the original, and although muddled by the GBA's hardware it's quite good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nn4Pou3ekA

The story is more cohesive. The original writer for Shining Force, Masaki Wachi, didn't work in any of the sequels (which is why they threw a bunch of retcons at the story), but he was brought back as scenario writer for the remake. The story is better explained and it's more sci-fi than before. You can also talk to all your characters to get to know them (part of the affection system mentioned on >>1796608), many of them explain more about the lore and backstory of the game.

The graphics are good, but the art style is different. It's very pastel, it feels like it's made on color pencils or something. The battle animations look weird sometimes. Dark Dragon in particular way worse in-game.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)10:18 UTC+1 No.1806023 Report

>>1804675
>Domingo

Not his gay brother Amigo.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)16:54 UTC+1 No.1806682 Report

>>1805761
Are there any available save files out there where the game is already at a decent difficult pace? I heard it's super easy on a first playthrough but I don't really think I could play a single game enough times until it became challenging.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)17:58 UTC+1 No.1806841 Report

>>1793656
Ah, here's a better quality screenshot.
She's talking about Dark Sol / Mephisto.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)20:59 UTC+1 No.1807312 Report

>>1806682
The Shining Force gamefaqs save page has a file to play the game from the beginning with the first star earned.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)21:04 UTC+1 No.1807324 Report

>16 years of playing only Scenario 1
>get to play Scenario 2
>finally see the other half of Saraband

It's like seeing boobs for the first time all over again.
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Anonymous 07/26/14(Sat)21:24 UTC+1 No.1807386 Report

>>1807324
If you thought Medion was a badass from his appearances in Scenario 1, you'll be extremely disappointed.
Some of actions anger the fuck out of me.

Everything about the third scenario is godlike, though. Have fun.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)08:09 UTC+1 No.1809161 Report

>>1807386

I need to get a USB saturn pad. Trying to play with a PSX layout is annoying
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)08:41 UTC+1 No.1809254 Report

the only game in the series i played for an ungodly amount of time was shining the holy ark

i dont know, it was ok. i dont really remember much from it
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)12:35 UTC+1 No.1809539 Report

>tfw Slade never got anyone
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)13:16 UTC+1 No.1809575 Report

>>1809539
The one thing that was always a put off for me with the Shining games was the anthromorphs. And this was back when I was a kid before I had Internet and subjected to furry nonsense. I hated having them in my parties.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)14:57 UTC+1 No.1809695 Report

>>1807386
Daddy issues - the MC.
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Anonymous 07/27/14(Sun)20:09 UTC+1 No.1810297 Report

>>1809575

you sound like you where a real joy
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)00:29 UTC+1 No.1811306 Report

>>1806023
Actually Amigo is female and Domingo is male.

At least jap artists think that.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)02:28 UTC+1 No.1811730 Report

>>1809575
Agreed.

I didn't mind using domingo, bleu, or zylo, but I hated all the god damned centaurs and birdmen and that stupid furry healer and mage. I know they got Aura 4 and Bolt 4, respectively. I didn't care because I didn't want to have to look at their stupid faces.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)02:47 UTC+1 No.1811805 Report

>>1809161
Try one of the SFIV pads. Despite what everyone says about them and

>Madcatz

they work rather well. I've still got the two that I got when SFIV came out.
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)02:53 UTC+1 No.1811824 Report

>>1811805
>Try one of the SFIV pads. Despite what everyone says about them and

I just generally really like everything about the saturn pad
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Anonymous 07/28/14(Mon)23:27 UTC+1 No.1814364 Report

>>1811730
>zylo
>not furry
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Anonymous 07/30/14(Wed)01:11 UTC+1 No.1817809 Report

>>1805667
>she throws watermelons at the enemy

Best attack animation.
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Anonymous 07/30/14(Wed)22:25 UTC+1 No.1820325 Report

>>1817809
Narsha is my favorite of the new characters.
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Anonymous 07/30/14(Wed)22:27 UTC+1 No.1820328 Report

Can someone in this thread sell me on SF3? I've tried to get into once but failed. What gameplay mechanics are the most interesting?
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Anonymous 07/30/14(Wed)23:39 UTC+1 No.1820571 Report

>>1820328
That's the problem. There really isn't much to these games and I say that despite being a big fan of the series. Even though 3 is the deepest of the series, it's still rather shallow compared to similar games.

The only hoops to jump through are ones you set up yourself, like trying to max out friendship status between characters, or leveling a character's affinity for all of their weapon types. It's understandable that there just might not be enough to these games to keep people interested.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)14:22 UTC+1 No.1822705 Report

>>1788538
As soon as I get more centaurs with spears most of the regular roster gets to stay in the basement.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)14:31 UTC+1 No.1822712 Report

>>1790961
No, that shit probably has disc rot by now.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)14:34 UTC+1 No.1822713 Report

>>1796331
Yeah, she wanted his inferior human penis despite the fact that it would be like sliding a hotdog down a hallway.

I always thought she had a cute portrait, though.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)14:56 UTC+1 No.1822751 Report

>>1800772
What the hell is wrong with Max?
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)17:41 UTC+1 No.1823085 Report

>>1805589
I rather like most features of it and I enjoy the colour pallet more.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)17:58 UTC+1 No.1823119 Report

>>1823085
>and I enjoy the colour pallet more.

That's the only reason why I'm having such an hard time getting into the GBA remake. It's all so fucking bright.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)18:01 UTC+1 No.1823124 Report

>>1823119
Frankly, I enjoy the GBA version more because of the garish colour palette of the original is less pleasing to me.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)19:55 UTC+1 No.1823404 Report

>>1822713
Sounds like true love.
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)22:09 UTC+1 No.1823736 Report

>>1822713
What she'd be riding under him!
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Anonymous 07/31/14(Thu)22:33 UTC+1 No.1823785 Report

>>1823736
I know those words but I'm not sure what you are saying.
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)02:08 UTC+1 No.1824283 Report

>>1822713
That's not how hearse posse works. Once you're inside, the huge muscles that line the walls grip onto you like a blood pressure gauge. It makes for a pretty wild ride, or at least that's what __/v/ says.

>cute portrait
GBA, I hope. The genesis one is awful. Now May on the other hand...
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)06:24 UTC+1 No.1824968 Report

>>1787487
Will we ever get more Shining games in the vein of the first three?
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)09:39 UTC+1 No.1825313 Report

>>1824968
I doubt it. The guy currently in charge of the franchise for Sega has a vendetta against the old games. Not sure if you're familiar with the fiasco, but a couple of years ago he had YouTube shut down a bunch of channels that had Shining Force-related videos. And not just gameplay videos, but videos of people showing their collection of Shining games or just discussing the series.

I don't have the screenshots, but the guy went on a rant because fans kept asking him to make something more like the old games instead of the hack'n'slash garbage they've been doing since Shining Tears.
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)16:31 UTC+1 No.1825728 Report

How different are Shining Force and Fire Emblem as their gameplay is concerned?
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)17:02 UTC+1 No.1825794 Report

>>1825728
I only played the Genesis and GG ones. AFAIK, there is no permanent death, even having the MC die will warp you out of battle.
You can grind.
There is no weapon or magic triangle.
Enemy and player turns aren't separated in phases, instead units get their turn according to their speed stat.

All in all, Shining Force feels very simplified compared to other TRPGS. I still like them as they were my introduction to the genre, but you may find them too dull.
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)17:06 UTC+1 No.1825796 Report

>>1825728

shining force is simpler, no permadeath, your weapons dont degrade and there is few abilities to units other then raw stats or magic, only enemies really have abilities and they are usually only simple things like resistance to magic or a special attack.
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Anonymous 08/01/14(Fri)22:39 UTC+1 No.1826639 Report

>>1824283
She looked fine in the GBA version.
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Anonymous 08/02/14(Sat)06:51 UTC+1 No.1827970 Report

>>1796331
How did you not catch that she wanted Max?
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Anonymous 08/02/14(Sat)12:40 UTC+1 No.1828441 Report

>>1827970
Maybe Anon can't catch a hint?
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)00:56 UTC+1 No.1829790 Report

So how does Vandal Hearts compare to Shining Force in gameplay? I always wanted to give VH a try.
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)01:44 UTC+1 No.1829939 Report

>>1829790

completely different and kind of a pain to level your characters
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)02:10 UTC+1 No.1829997 Report

>>1829939
Oh, how so?
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)02:17 UTC+1 No.1830008 Report

>>1829997
>Oh, how so?

you can't replay maps and there are very few if any side missions, if oyu don't play it perfect you can really end up with your characters dragging
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)02:18 UTC+1 No.1830010 Report

>>1830008
Sounds like the kind of game that could use NG+-
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)02:27 UTC+1 No.1830023 Report

>>1830008
None of that matters when the MC is invincible, though.
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Anonymous 08/03/14(Sun)17:58 UTC+1 No.1831609 Report

bump
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Anonymous 08/04/14(Mon)15:31 UTC+1 No.1834118 Report

>>1793656
I bought that game immediately after seeing Nigel on the back cover. By, was I disappointed.
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Anonymous 08/04/14(Mon)15:45 UTC+1 No.1834129 Report

>>1809539
>Never had a problem being a male protag in games and didn't identify with the femme fatal types anyway
>Slade turned me on to rogue archetypes and was my first husbando
>Pissed that I couldn't hook up with Slade and got that princess with the personality of soggy toast instead

Why do these games always shoehorn the worst love interests for the protag?
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Anonymous 08/04/14(Mon)15:50 UTC+1 No.1834132 Report

>>1834129
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Anonymous 08/05/14(Tue)11:10 UTC+1 No.1836608 Report

>>1834129
Rat or human wouldn't have mattered. I like rogues.
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Anonymous 08/05/14(Tue)11:29 UTC+1 No.1836637 Report

>>1787487
The blonde is much hotter.
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Anonymous 08/05/14(Tue)11:37 UTC+1 No.1836643 Report

<3
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Anonymous 08/05/14(Tue)21:28 UTC+1 No.1837782 Report

>>1836637
Agreed.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)00:57 UTC+1 No.1838330 Report

Force 3 had best Waifus
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:04 UTC+1 No.1838354 Report

>>1838330
Grace made me a furry on the spot. I'd do anything to snuggle that kyantol
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:10 UTC+1 No.1838371 Report

>>1838330
Whoops.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:14 UTC+1 No.1838385 Report

>>1838330
Scenario 3 had the cutest grills, in my opinion.
Spiriel, Isabella, Marky...and the MC even got the girl in the end.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:14 UTC+1 No.1838387 Report

>>1838354
>furry
>elf
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:27 UTC+1 No.1838441 Report

>>1838387
Caintaurs are quite literally dog furries. The word is a portmanteau of canine and centaur (which to the Japanese just means any human-animal cross. Draco Centaur over here is a good example of this quirk.)
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)01:36 UTC+1 No.1838468 Report

>>1838371
I wish it would had been in 2D instead. 90's console 3D graphics doesn't age well at all.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)02:02 UTC+1 No.1838539 Report

>>1838385

I commend your taste but Masqurin is just too delightful
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)03:40 UTC+1 No.1838753 Report

>Play SF3
>get to the refugee stage in chapter 2

good god this is a horrible experience
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)03:59 UTC+1 No.1838797 Report

>>1838753
I had to look up a walkthrough on youtube to figure out how to rescue all of the refugees. There is literally only one way to do it.
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Don Rumata 08/06/14(Wed)04:03 UTC+1 No.1838806 Report

>>1838468
The special effects were amazing even compared to the best looking PlayStation games, so that's something forever in III's favor.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)04:33 UTC+1 No.1838853 Report

>>1838797

I lost one refugee and said fuck it Im not doing that again
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Don Rumata 08/06/14(Wed)04:36 UTC+1 No.1838864 Report

Remember when Total Biscuit was doing that Shining Force III LP for Something Awful? I don't know if it all went away during the Shining Ark attack, but he did a very professional, detailed partial run of Scenario 1 before moving on to bigger things. The best part was when Dantares kept getting criticals at the mansion map.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)04:43 UTC+1 No.1838880 Report

So I'm a little ways into SF1. Just got to Chapter 3.

I'm having fun so far. The story seems to be non-existent, but that's okay I guess.

Gong is my favorite character. He can't really take many hits, but boy does he hit like a truck.

I'm curious as to how the leveling in this game works. Is it like FE where you get random stat increases with each level? And how much randomness is there? Because Gong just got 5 attack points on his previous level up.

Also, is it similar to FE in that archers are fucking useless?
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)05:05 UTC+1 No.1838928 Report

and now I have a cutie centaur
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)05:15 UTC+1 No.1838959 Report

>>1838880
Nah, Archers are solid in Shining Force in general. They only hit things 2 or 3 tiles away depending on their weapon, but since you have 12 peeps in the force it's more to beat on someone who is already surrounded or in unreachable locations.

And there is quite a bit of randomness in the level-ups. Characters have a 'forecast' which biases their level ups, but the SF1 algorithm is pretty whack at times, meaning you can get 5 or more on a level up. The growth is slow, but once you can promote people, the stat growth becomes much nicer. HP remains pretty shit for most of the game though when compared to Shining Force 2, which keeps mages quite deadly and criticals devastating.

I once had Tao gain +13 agility on a level up.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)05:25 UTC+1 No.1838984 Report

>>1805761
Well stated.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)05:30 UTC+1 No.1838994 Report

>>1825313
We should assassinate him
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)08:07 UTC+1 No.1839308 Report

man SF3 sure does like to have silent protagonists Synbios toss around a lot ellipses.

The game is better when you pretend every time he says ..... he's really just sighing with put upon resignation. Like he doesn't even care anymore and is just going along with whatever
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Don Rumata 08/06/14(Wed)08:11 UTC+1 No.1839314 Report

>>1839308
He speaks in the other two scenarios, so the ellipses are just a holdover from previous Shining games. Synbios doesn't have as much of a stake in the overall conflict as Medios and Julian, but he's still got a reason to defeat Domaric and, inevitably, Bulzome.
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Anonymous 08/06/14(Wed)08:14 UTC+1 No.1839319 Report

>>1839314

yeah I figured he'd be chattier there and Medion and Juliane will suddenly become mutes in their respective campaigns

unrelated, is there any rhyme or reason to how special attacks work?
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Anonymous 08/07/14(Thu)00:07 UTC+1 No.1840778 Report

>>1839308
I hate silent protagonists in tactic games.
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Anonymous 08/07/14(Thu)00:25 UTC+1 No.1840802 Report

Time to get that Jogurt army on the road.
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Don Rumata 08/07/14(Thu)03:57 UTC+1 No.1841474 Report

>>1840802
I voted for Jogurt in the strawpoll, this gets my approval.
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Anonymous 08/07/14(Thu)23:24 UTC+1 No.1843535 Report

>>1841474
There's a strawpool?
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Anonymous 08/08/14(Fri)07:15 UTC+1 No.1844583 Report

>>1838959
>playing SF1 and abusing AI derps to kill bosses from 3 squares away with no retribution
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Anonymous 08/08/14(Fri)13:29 UTC+1 No.1844956 Report

>>1839319
In the scenes which overlap between Sc. 1 and 2(like the confrontation with the Imperial soldiers in Saraband) Medion will talk in Sc. 1 while Synbios talks in Sc. 2.

It's pretty similair to how Golden Sun switched the silent protaganists between 1 and The Lost Age, but now with overlapping events.
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Anonymous 08/08/14(Fri)18:16 UTC+1 No.1845336 Report

So, I got a ways into SF1. Chapter 7.

I liked it at first, but I just ended up getting really frustrated. Seems like no matter how much defense I got, I was still taking huge chunks of damage and doing very little. And probably half of my attacks would just miss.

I even grinded my characters up to 20 and promoted them early in Chapter 6.

Fucking Mishaela was almost impossible because I just couldn't do enough damage to her since most of my attacks would miss. I had to egress a whole bunch to grind my way up a bit just to kill her.

And to top it off, the UI is fucking abysmal. Comparing units stats is a damn chore.

I'm giving the GBA remake a shot before I go to SF2.
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Anonymous 08/08/14(Fri)19:31 UTC+1 No.1845523 Report

>>1845336
>before I go to SF2

You could follow the chronology and go SF1 -> SFCD -> SFGFC -> SF2

There's a fuckton of references and recurring characters in SFCD and SFGFC. Some SF1 characters even join your party, now a little older.
CD is my favorite SF game after 3.
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Anonymous 08/08/14(Fri)19:33 UTC+1 No.1845530 Report

>>1845523
>after 3

*SF3 Scenario 3
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